St. Peter was married?
I am not going to rely on anti-Catholic websites for my information
You claim that it was outlawed in the 11th century... However, there are Councils and Synods centuries earlier than that relating to the celebacy of the priesthood...
Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuary schools & daycares?
After all a tiny percentage of catholic priests molested some kids. Letting them build near elementuary schools and day cares might be too much of a temptation and would be offensive to those who were abused by child molesters.
Yes, and it would be nice if we took away their tax free BS.
Being thrown in jail is not the answer, does not solve anything.No, that's a stupid idea. Priests who molest kids should be thrown in jail just like any other child molester, then it wouldn't be an issue.
I like them having that "tax free BS". If they claim it then they cannot officially back anyone in politics.
It is exactly comparable. A handful of Muslims fly into the buildings just like a handful of catholics priests molest some kids. The only difference is that when a group of Muslims that do not have anything to do with the terrorist want to build a mosque everyone acts as though they are building the mosque to rub the 9-11 attacks in their face. But yet if the catholic church wanted to build a church near a day care, elementary school, preschool a chuckie cheese pizza or some other place where lots of children hang out no one would give a rats ass. They would probably say "oh how wonderful the catholic church is building a church in that area, they'll probably help out a lot of people". But some Muslims want a build a mosque and a lot of idiots act as though it was al queada, hezbollah, the taliban or some other muslim terrorist group building the mosque trying to rub the 9-11 attacks in the noses of the victims and their relatives.
yup. Matthew 8:14 When Jesus came into Peter's house, he saw Peter's mother-in-law lying in bed with a fever.
nor was he the only married pope.
um. i don't know about anti-catholic sites, but the fact that the Catholic Church's much later decision to forbid it's priests marriage was based at least partly on the very real concern about the arising of theocratic dynasties is pretty much established history.
they had some scriptural basis for doing so - Paul initially taught that it was better to remain unmarried because a man who is married must divide his time between the Lord and his family; whereas a single man can devote himself wholly to the service of God. however, as time moved on and it became clear that Jesus wasn't coming back Just Yet, he began to modify his approach, and by the time of his letters to Timothy he was teaching that clerics should be married, but only once.
Good argument, James.
I, for one, feel that the Islamics never did as much as they could to publicly condemn the terrorism, nor do more than just condemn Osama bin Laden but capture and imprison him.
Maybe I am wrong about this, maybe Islam is fractured into totally separate sects, that the moderates can do nothing.
I do feel that Islam can do much to improve their public image.
But how often do you see references to his 'wife' in the New Testament?
In the early Church, there were priests who were married but they were still called on to maintain a chaste life.
There are also a handful of married priests in the Church today, but similarly, they are called to maintain a chaste life.
The early Church was not nearly as centralized as it is today (and the level of centralization today is often misunderstood) and there were different synods and councils accepted by different regions prior to the fourth century.
Also, keep in mind that while the Church often forbade things in Canon law, it was not uncommon for those in distant regions to not follow its dictates strictly. This was true even to the 16th century and beyond. It doesn't mean the Church condoned it, but there were times when the Church could do little about it.
it had nothing to do with those whole land thing in the Middle Ages that Protestant revisionists have proposed for centuries.
Not some scriptural basis, SIGNIFICANT scriptural basis...
Right, because you know when men are denied sexual relations, what's the first thing they do? Certainly not seek out adult women who might want an affair or go to a prostitute! No, all men seek out young boys.
Do you realize how ridiculous the idea is that "if only they could marry they'd stop molesting children"? Married people NOW molest children. If you were prohibited from having sex for some reason, would you then go out an prey on children yourself?
A few things, Zyph.
1. Muslims (as a group) did not attack the WTC. Terrorists did. Specifically, Al Qaeda. Saying "Muslims unquestionably DID attack the World Trade Center" is too general a comment to be totally accurate.
2. If a few Catholics who held extreme views molested children in a day care, how would that reflect on other Catholics? Why should they refrain from opening up their church near said day care.
3. How far around the day care would the "no church" dictum go? Next door? A block away? Three blocks away? The next town over? A whole different state? Armenia?
4. What would the limit for building the church be? A year after the molestation occurs? 2 years? 5 years? Nine years? 20 years? 100 years? 15 billion years? Seriously, how long and how far would become acceptable to the people who blame the whole catholic church for the actions of a few extremists?
Should Muslims be allowed to build a mosque near ground zero?
Should the government get to decide where churches are built?
answer: nope.
but simply because something is legal does not make it right, or necessarily wise. and it certainly doesn't cause it to cease being offensive.
Exactly right!
Or if I'm off base and you were thanking it for a reason other than his statement about how their comparable, then nevermind. However his entire post seemed to be focusing on said claim.
broken clocks and monkey's banging on typewriters, eh? :lol:
but simply because something is legal does not make it right, or necessarily wise. and it certainly doesn't cause it to cease being offensive.
That culture has only changed because they're being dragged, kicking and screaming by the general public. Had it not been for the billions of dollars they've lost and will lose to lawsuits, they'd still be doing it.
of course, you don't know that.
The evidence seems to strongly suggest it. Considering official church doctrine, written by the current Pope, was to never report cases of child molestation to authorities, and in fact to specifically hide it from the authorities, I'd say that's a pretty good indication of their true desires. If they cared more about kids than they do about their image and money, they'd have never put such a policy in place.
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