should abortion be punishable by death?

[Jerry]

uh, Jerry, he's following Godwin's Law.

Heh, he is the "1".

 

[FallingPianos]

Heh, he is the "1".

actually, no individual can follow or violate Godwin's law on second thought. Jamesrage is mearly demonstrating it on this forum.

 

[Jerry]

It makes no sense, like too many things the Christian Right believe, I'm afraid...
Duke

Now now, Christian Right doesn't = Pro Life. They label themselves as such, but when you look at their views they are not Pro-Life.

Anyone who make the life endangerment exception isn't Pro-Life, they are Anti-Abortion, and Anti-Abortionists can support the death penalty without contradiction.

 

[jamesrage]

What i dont get is how people can say they are pro life but then pro death penality. How does that make since at all?

It does make sense when you are smart enough to see that there is a difference between the guilty and the innocent.

 

[tryreading]

Yes you should be punished for having a abortion.I see abortion murder and only a rat nazi would devalue a innocent human in order to justify taking a innocent human's life.The only time a abortion should be allowed is if the mother's life is in actual danger.

But she asked if abortion should be punishable by death.

 

[jamesrage]

Is it "rat-liberal" or "liberal-rat"?

Either one works.

You do know what Godwin's Law is, right?

Yes I know what Godwin's law is,a rat liberal made it up so that vile abortionist hopefully can avoid being called what they really are.

I mean, if all you want to do is rant, great; but if you actually want to reach a satisfying conclusion in a discussion it is best not to violate it.

It is best that you do not violate Jamesrage's/JR's law
"when ever a rat liberal or rat-liberal pretending to be a conservative brings up Godwin's law, that rat liberal/rat-liberal pretending to be conservate is a moron/stupid dumbass"

See how easy it is to make up stupid laws.

 

[Jerry]

It is best that you do not violate Jamesrage's/JR's law
"when ever a rat liberal or rat-liberal pretending to be a conservative brings up Godwin's law, that rat liberal/rat-liberal pretending to be conservate is a moron/stupid dumbass"

See how easy it is to make up stupid laws.

In that case, Jamesrage, this one's for you:

Kołakowski's Law (otherwise, the "Law of the Infinite Cornucopia"), - For any given doctrine that one wants to believe, there is never a shortage of arguments by which to support it.

 

[FallingPianos]

Kołakowski's Law (otherwise, the "Law of the Infinite Cornucopia"), - For any given doctrine that one wants to believe, there is never a shortage of arguments by which to support it.

like Kolakowiski's Law?

 

[LaughingLatimer]

You make no since. How will you know if that fetus will be innocent? It may grow up to be the next hitler. Would you if you could go back in time and kill hitlers fetus?

 

[Jerry]

like Kolakowiski's Law?

I think it suits, yes.

You make no since. How will you know if that fetus will be innocent? It may grow up to be the next hitler. Would you if you could go back in time and kill hitlers fetus?

To whom is this post addressed?

 

[LaughingLatimer]

To all the people are pro death penality but dont support abortion. To the people that think the abortion people should die and are evil even though they are pro life.

 

[FallingPianos]

You make no since. How will you know if that fetus will be innocent? It may grow up to be the next hitler. Would you if you could go back in time and kill hitlers fetus?

its not a matter of whether it will be innocent. its a matter of whether its innocent at the time that the abortion is performed.

 

[Duke]

It does make sense when you are smart enough to see that there is a difference between the guilty and the innocent.

Can you tell the difference between life and death?

Killing is killing, death means dead. Did you know that?

You tell me.

When you kill someone with the death penalty, you are ending the life of someone who was "proved guilty". They may not, in actuality, be guilty. If that is the case, this is murder. Even if they are actually guilty, we are still dealing with killing. Ethically, it is untarnished; killing is killing.


Duke

 

[Jerry]

It does make sense when you are smart enough to see that there is a difference between the guilty and the innocent.

That would make you Anti-Abortion, not Pro-Life.

Pro-Life must oppose the death penalty because Pro-Life = Anti-Death...it's a "double negative".

So, if you support the death penalty for whatever, and you oppose abortion, you are Anti-Abortion. Welcome to the club.

 

[Navy Pride]

If your are pro life and you believe that unnecessary abortions are legalized murder then you have to believe that people that perform unnecessary abortions should be punished by death........

 

[Duke]

If your are pro life and you believe that unnecessary abortions are legalized murder then you have to believe that people that perform unnecessary abortions should be punished by death........

I'm afraid I don't quite see the train of logic running through that one....:roll:

So, if you think that abortion is murder, then you better believe that abortionists should be killed?

Not exactly "Pro-Life", if you ask me....:roll:


Duke

 

[Navy Pride]

I'm afraid I don't quite see the train of logic running through that one....:roll:

So, if you think that abortion is murder, then you better believe that abortionists should be killed?

Not exactly "Pro-Life", if you ask me....:roll:


Duke

I can understand that since you are pro abortion and favor legal murder in the womb.........Do you have a reading comprehension? Please go back and read what I said...........thanks a lot..........:roll:

 

[Duke]

Perhaps what you meant to say is this: If you are pro life and you believe that unnecessary abortions are legalized murder than you have to belive that the people that prefore unecessary abortions should be punished by death.

No one will be able to understand you until you get your grammer down....:roll:

I have a question: Could the death penalty not be legalized murder? Let us say that a person was charged with a few murders, and there was quite a bit of evidence against him, but he was actually innocent. Let us say that a jury convicts him and gives him the death penalty. He goes on death row, and he is executed. This is murder, legal murder. Chances are, it's happened.


Duke

 

[Navy Pride]

Perhaps what you meant to say is this: If you are pro life and you believe that unnecessary abortions are legalized murder than you have to belive that the people that prefore unecessary abortions should be punished by death.

No one will be able to understand you until you get your grammer down....:roll:

I have a question: Could the death penalty not be legalized murder? Let us say that a person was charged with a few murders, and there was quite a bit of evidence against him, but he was actually innocent. Let us say that a jury convicts him and gives him the death penalty. He goes on death row, and he is executed. This is murder, legal murder. Chances are, it's happened.


Duke

prefore and belive??????????? grammer and this is a guy that is correcting my grammear...........Hell you can't even spell grammar.........Did you ever hear of a spell checker????:rofl

 

[LaughingLatimer]

prefore and belive??????????? grammer and this is a guy that is correcting my grammear...........Hell you can't even spell grammar.........Did you ever hear of a spell checker????:rofl

Typos Navy, ever hear of them? Hes still a human. moron :rofl :rofl :rofl

 

[Navy Pride]

Typos Navy, ever hear of them? Hes still a human. moron :rofl :rofl :rofl

But he corrected my grammar with that post...........I am telling you your not going to be around here long if you keep calling people names.........Now I am done with you grow up........take care.......

 

[LaughingLatimer]

But he corrected my grammar with that post...........I am telling you your not going to be around here long if you keep calling people names.........Now I am done with you grow up........take care.......

Well im sorry its just really mean. Your making fun of him for making a mistake. Cant you think from his side that he made a mistake? Sigh. You need to grow up and stop making fun of people for making a simple error.

 

[doughgirl]

LaughinLatimer said, "What i dont get is how people can say they are pro life but then pro death penality. How does that make since at all."

An abortion takes the life of an innocent human being.

A person who kills someone else during some act of crime is a murderer. You can't compare this to abortion. The criminal who is killed is not innocent.

 

[CoffeeSaint]

LaughinLatimer said, "What i dont get is how people can say they are pro life but then pro death penality. How does that make since at all."

An abortion takes the life of an innocent human being.

A person who kills someone else during some act of crime is a murderer. You can't compare this to abortion. The criminal who is killed is not innocent.

Bartolomeo Vanzetti was innocent. Nicola Sacco may have been. Bruno Richard Hauptmann was certainly not guilty of the crime he was executed for. This may be going back a little far, but I'll bet that the 20 people executed in Salem, Massachusetts in 1692 were not actually witches. Meanwhile, Charles Manson and David Berkowitz are still alive and well. O.J. Simpson is not only alive and well, but out on the streets.

And those are only the ones I know about. Give me five minutes with Google, I'll give you a hundred more examples of people executed for crimes they did not commit. That would mean they were innocent people.

There should not be a correlation between the two issues, because they are not the same, nor based on the same moral criteria, but attempts to justify both positions using one criterion, especially one as simplistic as innocence, is just asking to be made to look foolish.

LaughingLatimer, it isn't fair to ask these two positions to be correlated. They aren't related. It's asking for an imaginary consistency on two inconsistent subjects; it's like asking why someone who smokes doesn't want monkeys dancing on their head. It just doesn't make any sense.

 

[CoffeeSaint]

And all you would-be grammar Nazis? I'm an English teacher, and NONE of you can construct a proper sentence. Let it go.

Oh, crap, I violated Godwin's Law.

Oh crap! Now I'm a rat-liberal moron.