should abortion be punishable by death? (1 Viewer)

[FallingPianos]

this is obviously targeted at those of you that are pro-life.

if you are pro-life and support the death penelty, do you believe abortion should be punishable by death? if not, why not?

 

[tryreading]

this is obviously targeted at those of you that are pro-life.

if you are pro-life and support the death penelty, do you believe abortion should be punishable by death? if not, why not?

I started a similar thread in the Religion section a few months ago and there were a few people who would apply the death penalty to women who aborted. But most who answered copped out and said it should be the doctors who perform abortions that get punished.

 

[Billo_Really]

Nothing should be punishable by "death".

 

[tryreading]

2 lawyers are hunting when 1 falls to the ground. He's not breathing, and his eyes are back in his head. The other lawyer calls 911 "State the nature of your emergency," says the operator. "My friend is dead! What can I do?" gasps the lawyer. "Take it easy. I can help you," the operator says. "1st, let's make sure he's dead." There's a short pause and a shot is heard. The lawyer comes back to the line and asks, "OK, now what?"

You are trapped in a room with Adolph Hitler, a 12 foot alligator, and a lawyer. You have a gun loaded with only two bullets. What do you do?



Shoot the lawyer. Twice.

 

[Jerry]

Yes, I'm [Anti-Abortion], support the death penalty, and believe it should be used for [elective late term]abortion.

Elective late term abortions should be punishable by death.

Firing squad is my personal favorite.

Other than that, legal deterrent does not address the issues causing unwanted pregnancies, so I don't think that they would be of much use.

 

[Jerry]

Nothing should be punishable by "death".

My 2 cents (adjusted for inflation):
Death should be the punishment for murder, rape, severe abuse and wearing spandex while weighing more than 110lbs. as well.

 

[FallingPianos]

My 2 cents (adjusted for inflation):
Death should be the punishment for murder, rape, severe abuse and wearing spandex while weighing more than 110lbs. as well.

what if the girl is really tall?

 

[CoffeeSaint]

what if the girl is really tall?

Then it should be the punishment for wearing Spandex while weighing UNDER 110 lbs, male or female. Bones should never be visible through clothing.

 

[TurtleDude]

Then it should be the punishment for wearing Spandex while weighing UNDER 110 lbs, male or female. Bones should never be visible through clothing.

reminds me of a poster I saw-some middle aged guy with no tone and a big beer gut in a speedo. The poster said-YOU SHOULDN'T WEAR ONE OF THESE UNLESS YOU ARE SWIMMING FOR THE GOLD MEDAL

its idiotic to even think about killing a doctor or the pregnant woman

 

[Jerry]

what if the girl is really tall?

Mitigating circumstances?

Show me a picture and I'll determine if there's probable cause.

 

[Jerry]

Then it should be the punishment for wearing Spandex while weighing UNDER 110 lbs, male or female. Bones should never be visible through clothing.

Good point.

 

[Jerry]

reminds me of a poster I saw-some middle aged guy with no tone and a big beer gut in a speedo. The poster said-YOU SHOULDN'T WEAR ONE OF THESE UNLESS YOU ARE SWIMMING FOR THE GOLD MEDAL

its idiotic to even think about killing a doctor or the pregnant woman

Well of coarse I must say that if anyone is to be voted off this planet it should be folks like those who endorse drilling into a baby's head during, effectively, birthing.

I mean, early abortion is one thing, but late term abortion is just about as barbaric and psychotic as it gets, IMO.

 

[jamesrage]

this is obviously targeted at those of you that are pro-life.

if you are pro-life and support the death penelty, do you believe abortion should be punishable by death? if not, why not?

Yes you should be punished for having a abortion.I see abortion murder and only a rat nazi would devalue a innocent human in order to justify taking a innocent human's life.The only time a abortion should be allowed is if the mother's life is in actual danger.

 

[CoffeeSaint]

Yes you should be punished for having a abortion.I see abortion murder and only a rat nazi would devalue a innocent human in order to justify taking a innocent human's life.The only time a abortion should be allowed is if the mother's life is in actual danger.

How big a risk does it have to be, to justify killing the child? 100% that the mother will die? 90%? 80%? How far are we willing to go to preserve life? What if the doctor were wrong about the risks involved for a particular mother? Should the doctor or the mother be killed if it turns out that the risk wasn't as severe as was originally thought? What if the mother would be permanently crippled, but not killed?

I don't think there is an easy way to draw such an extreme distinction between perfectly acceptable abortion, and abortion that deserves death. If acceptance of abortion makes one a rat nazi, how is the mother's life important enough to prevent that judgment?

 

[Jerry]

Yes you should be punished for having a abortion.I see abortion murder and only a rat nazi would devalue a innocent human in order to justify taking a innocent human's life.The only time a abortion should be allowed is if the mother's life is in actual danger.

Jamesrage, I love ya guy, but you really need to stop violating Godwin's Law.

If you don't mind, CoffieSaint, I'd like to give your questions a go.

How big a risk does it have to be, to justify killing the child?

As per the guidelines for Justifiable Homicide, no different than shooting someone who threatened your life. If you would post your state's statuette on Justifiable homicide I would love to discuss it.

100% that the mother will die? 90%? 80%?

Typically the mother's resident doctor or attending physician’s professional opinion that an abortion is necessary to save her life is good enough IMO.

How far are we willing to go to preserve life?

I need you to be a bit more specific here.

What if the doctor were wrong about the risks involved for a particular mother? Should the doctor or the mother be killed if it turns out that the risk wasn't as severe as was originally thought? What if the mother would be permanently crippled, but not killed?

As per a malpractice suit, no different than if the doctor misjudged a prescription dosage resulting in a death, and similar.

I don't think there is an easy way to draw such an extreme distinction between perfectly acceptable abortion, and abortion that deserves death.

One day before the beginning of the third trimester, no death penalty; as of the first day of the third trimester, death penalty.

 

[jamesrage]

Jamesrage, I love ya guy, but you really need to stop violating Godwin's Law.

I really could care less who this rat liberal Godwin you speak of is.If a rat liberal can make up some bogus law then I can make up a bogus law too.

Jamesrage's/JR's law
"when ever a rat liberal or liberal pretending to be a conservative brings up Godwin's law that rat liberal/liberal pretending to be conservate is a moron".

Perhaps I can get that posted on wikipedia and any can just cite JR's law when ever a rat liberal brings up "Godwin's law".

 

[jamesrage]

How big a risk does it have to be, to justify killing the child? 100% that the mother will die? 90%? 80%? How far are we willing to go to preserve life? What if the doctor were wrong about the risks involved for a particular mother?

You get more real doctors(not rat abortionist posing as doctors) to confirm weather or not the mother's life is actually in danger if she gives birth.As for how big of a risk before a abortion is allowed that will have to be determined by statistics.

 

[FallingPianos]

As for how big of a risk before a abortion is allowed that will have to be determined by statistics.

what do you mean? statistics determain numbers, not laws.

 

[Duke]

if you are pro-life and support the death penelty, do you believe abortion should be punishable by death? if not, why not?

Hee Haw! Wouldn't that be the height of irony? Killing someone because they killed someone!

Do I need to point that out?


Duke

 

[doughgirl]

I do not believe in the death penalty so i do not believe anyone should be killed because they either participated in or had an abortion.

But I feel prision and jail terms definately should apply.

 

[Jerry]

I really could care less who this rat liberal Godwin you speak of is.If a rat liberal can make up some bogus law then I can make up a bogus law too.

Jamesrage's/JR's law
"when ever a rat liberal or liberal pretending to be a conservative brings up Godwin's law that rat liberal/liberal pretending to be conservate is a moron".

Perhaps I can get that posted on wikipedia and any can just cite JR's law when ever a rat liberal brings up "Godwin's law".

Is it "rat-liberal" or "liberal-rat"?

You do know what Godwin's Law is, right? I mean, if all you want to do is rant, great; but if you actually want to reach a satisfying conclusion in a discussion it is best not to violate it.

 

[FallingPianos]

Is it "rat-liberal" or "liberal-rat"?

You do know what Godwin's Law is, right? I mean, if all you want to do is rant, great; but if you actually want to reach a satisfying conclusion in a discussion it is best not to violate it.

uh, Jerry, he's following Godwin's Law.

 

[LaughingLatimer]

What i dont get is how people can say they are pro life but then pro death penality. How does that make since at all?

 

[Duke]

What i dont get is how people can say they are pro life but then pro death penality. How does that make since at all?

It makes no sense, like too many things the Christian Right believe, I'm afraid...


Duke

 

[FallingPianos]

What i dont get is how people can say they are pro life but then pro death penality. How does that make since at all?

I'm pro-choice, but the difference between a fetus that has commited no crime other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and a murderer on death row seems obvious to me.