A Christian relationship counsellor who lost his job after refusing to provide sex therapy to gay couples has failed in a further attempt to prove religious discrimination by his former employers.
Gary McFarlane, 48, a former elder in a church in Hanham, Bristol, lost his fight at the Employment Appeal Tribunal (EAT) in London to prove discrimination by the relationship charity Relate.
His appeal was launched after an employment tribunal ruled in January that he had been wrongfully dismissed by Relate in March last year but had not been a victim of religious discrimination or unfair dismissal.
Read more: Christian counsellor who refused to offer sex advice to gay couples fails in religious discrimination claim | Mail Online
A Christian counselor in Britain got sacked because he refused to counsel a gay couple regarding their sex life. Do you think this should be allowed? Should insurance agencies, or the government, force counselors to provide mental health services that violate their individual religious and/or moral codes?
Christian counsellor who refused to offer sex advice to gay couples fails in religious discrimination claim | Mail Online
A Christian counselor in Britain got sacked because he refused to counsel a gay couple regarding their sex life. Do you think this should be allowed? Should insurance agencies, or the government, force counselors to provide mental health services that violate their individual religious and/or moral codes?
Christian counsellor who refused to offer sex advice to gay couples fails in religious discrimination claim | Mail Online
First of all, who goes to a christian sex counselor? I mean seriously wtf is that? Further, what gay couple goes to a christian counselor? Wtf did you expect to hear other than "well of course you're having trouble in bed homosexuality is a disorder/sin/etc".
Secondly, yeah, let professionals of every kind give a referral to someone who will give the service if they'd rather.
A Christian relationship counsellor who lost his job after refusing to provide sex therapy to gay couples has failed in a further attempt to prove religious discrimination by his former employers.
A Christian counselor in Britain got sacked because he refused to counsel a gay couple regarding their sex life. Do you think this should be allowed?
Definitely. In fact he should have been sued, not just fired.A Christian counselor in Britain got sacked because he refused to counsel a gay couple regarding their sex life. Do you think this should be allowed?
Not if my "moral codes" (or lack thereof in this guy's case) violate the requirements of my workplace. If that's a problem with me, then I'll just have to find another job.Should insurance agencies, or the government, force counselors to provide mental health services that violate their individual religious and/or moral codes?
...uh not that I'm aware of, unless the govt healthcare system hires a bunch of fundie Christian counselors. I don't think you'll have to worry about more guys like this wacko getting jobs. If anything, they'll be less likely to seek govt. jobs.My concern here is, will the introduction of a more universal, government sponsored healthcare in the United States lead to this type of infringement of individual rights here?
If they work for the government, the government has every right to tell them to conform to industry standards concerning homosexuality-- and counsel who they're told to counsel, no backchat.
If they work for a private practice, their boss has every right to tell them whether or not they're allowed to counsel homosexual couples, and the right to fire them for breaking policy in either direction.
If they work for themselves, the couple in question can bitch about it to other gay couples who will boycott the counselor-- and both sides will be happier.
Makes you wonder who the Hell is stupid enough to think they can benefit from seeing a counselor who's treating them at gunpoint.
what is "Relate"? a church can certainly choose whom they counsel. but if he was employed in the gov't or private sector, no way.A Christian counselor in Britain got sacked because he refused to counsel a gay couple regarding their sex life. Do you think this should be allowed? Should insurance agencies, or the government, force counselors to provide mental health services that violate their individual religious and/or moral codes?
Christian counsellor who refused to offer sex advice to gay couples fails in religious discrimination claim | Mail Online
is it an infringement when the counselor is employed in the gov't or private sector?My concern here is, will the introduction of a more universal, government sponsored healthcare in the United States lead to this type of infringement of individual rights here?
as an at will employee, the counselor has no right to refuse to follow his employer's legal directive. that said, it would not be a good fit and the couple and the counselor should have discussed that, followed by a change in counselors.I think that this scenario demonstrates the issue with government managed counseling services. Not all counselors are going to fit with all of those who request or need counseling services. There has to be room for counselors to state that they cannot serve a particular patient, and for patients, also, to search out a better fit. The problem with goverment mandates in these scenarios is that the consumer (and the service provider) have very little say in creating that relationship that makes these services work.
My children went through grief counseling after my divorce, and it took a while for us to find a good fit for my son. The first two people he saw were not helpful for him.
Exactly my point. There is not a one size fits all approach. I really think there should be an individualized approach, with latitude for belief systems.I think that this scenario demonstrates the issue with government managed counseling services. Not all counselors are going to fit with all of those who request or need counseling services. There has to be room for counselors to state that they cannot serve a particular patient, and for patients, also, to search out a better fit. The problem with goverment mandates in these scenarios is that the consumer (and the service provider) have very little say in creating that relationship that makes these services work.
My children went through grief counseling after my divorce, and it took a while for us to find a good fit for my son. The first two people he saw were not helpful for him.
as an at will employee, the counselor has no right to refuse to follow his employer's legal directive.
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