nefarious_plot said:She is exercising here right as an American, Her freedom. Those supporting this war claim its for freedom, yet they consistantly show they want to take freedom away from AMERICAN's.
VTA said:How? By doing exactly what she is doing? Expressing their feelings about a situation?
Does anyone else see the circular logic here?
Sheehan flexes her right to speak her mind.
People who disagree, exercise their right and respond to her.
Other people get angry at the repondents for exercising their rights and make accusations toward those who disagree of wanting to take away her rights.
So the people who disagree with Sheehan should have their rights violated by being accused of practising facsist principles?
Should the people who make such accusations not express their view about the people who disagree with Sheehan wanting to deprive her of her rights?
This can go on forever...
Once the focus is veered away from the subject at hand, e.g. is Sheehan right or wrong, and has shifted to something we already know the answer to - we all are protected by freedom of speech - it's evident that analytical debate has exhausted itself and frustration has become the fuel for debate.
nefarious_plot said:Its not people disagreing with her. Its the peple tw=shing her dead Calling her anti-American. TTrying to slander her because of what she says. Theres a differece.
nefarious_plot said:Agaim people trying to slander her name are dosing so with intent to limit her right to speak her mind. Its attemted cenorship..period.
That's a pretty hypocritical statement coming from you.Originally posted by cnredd:
Well said...I was going around and around on this the last few days in another thread...
From a post in Polls - Should the moderators exercise their ability to remove polls made to insult?...Post #51...
It goes even further than that....It's when you should censor your own THOUGHTS from coming out of your mouth that these kids can't get through their dome...None of which is a Free Speech issue...
You can't answer that unless you have been in that position.Originally posted by cnredd:
You and your best friend get into an argument where you start to hate each other...Then he dies...
His mother, whose known you since diapers, asks you to say a few words at the funeral. Do you bite your tongue or start out by saying, "He was a rat bastard!"?
No.Originally posted by cnredd:
Daddy had a one night stand with the secretary, and Daddy knows you know...He begs you not to say anything because it was a "one time" mistake...Is this a "Free Speech" issue?
Yup. But you gotta be there...Originally posted by cnredd:
Your sister "comes out of the closet" to you and asks you to keep it on the down-low....Do you say, " F U!...Don't tell me I can't execise my First Amendment rights!!!!...then run out and tell all of her friends? You're legally correct you know...
What it IS, is not your decision to decide for others.Originally posted by cnredd:
See?...Just because you have a RIGHT to do it, doesn't mean it IS RIGHT to do it...
That depends on how good your jump shot is.Originally posted by cnredd:
Everything you do and say has consequences....I am legally bound by my First Amendment rights to run through the streets of Harlem yelling "White Power"....Now is that the right thing to do? Even though I have a right to do it?
nefarious_plot said:Agaim people trying to slander her name are dosing so with intent to limit her right to speak her mind. Its attemted cenorship..period.
Billo_Really said:Originally Posted by VTA:
She's a woman who lost her son to the war in Iraq.
Last year, the President met with her and she said some very positive things about him and the meeting; it brought her family closer together.
As of recently, she has camped outside of his ranch, has said he terated her indifferently at their meeting and is demanding he speak to her again so she can tell him that this war is a lie and that Israel is not worth it.
In a nutshell...
That's bullshit, VTA!
Billo_Really said:Attacking a sovereign nation that did nothing to you and in violation of International Law, is illegal!
Billo_Really said:That's bullshit, VTA!
nefarious_plot said:The pathetic and desperate attempts at slandering this women by Bush fanatics indicate how much an impact she is having.
She is exercising here right as an American, Her freedom. Those supporting this war claim its for freedom, yet they consistantly show they want to take freedom away from AMERICAN's.
nefarious_plot said:Agaim people trying to slander her name are dosing so with intent to limit her right to speak her mind. Its attemted cenorship..period.
nefarious_plot said:Again. people that dont like what Sheehan is saying is trying to find excuses to stop her from saying it. Thats still attempting to cencor her.
ludahai said:THat is a liberal's definition of censorship. The Left can do the same to a Republican in the name of free speech. As soon as a conservative wants to bring out the truth of a Leftist, be becomes censorship.
No truth has been brought out about her. Cheep attemtpts to attack her personal life is patethic and merely meant to intimidate her into stopping protest.
nefarious_plot said:No truth has been brought out about her. Cheep attemtpts to attack her personal life is patethic and merely meant to intimidate her into stopping protest.
nefarious_plot said:Again. people that dont like what Sheehan is saying is trying to find excuses to stop her from saying it. Thats still attempting to cencor her.
Simply because you dont think its right doesnt mean much.
its not freedom to hear what you want to. Its freedom for anybody to speak there mind.
ludahai said:TRUTH: Sheehan has met with President Bush already.
TRUTH: She initially said that it was a positive experience and she said good things about the President's sincerity.
TRUTH: She has taken a complete about face on the first meeting.
How is any of the above a cheap attempt to attack her personal life?
nefarious_plot said:she had no such meeting. She has returned to Bush ranch again. personall attacks on her have come from many places Talk radio and talkshows to individual citzens in forums like this one and interviewd on TV.
cnredd said:You know how it works, lud...
Some get offended by the truth...they consider it a "personal attack".
Wanna hear about personal attacks? Ask a Liberal how they felt about Linda Tripp...Nothing but talk about her appearance and weight...Even late night talk shows got into the act....
Try that with Cindy and you'll be breakin' the First Amendment, you bastards!
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