Sharron Angle (R-NV) is running for the U.S. Senate with a far-right agenda that can be adequately summed up as "drown the government in the bathtub." Angle's views on health care are no exception, as she supports repealing the Affordable Care Act and opposes the regulation of insurance companies. Recently, Angle has come under fire for mocking the idea that insurers should be required to cover treatment for autism.
However, despite her anti-government rhetoric, it turns out that Angle actually benefits from government health care. As Politico's "Morning Score" reports:
Spokeswoman Ciara Matthews said in a statement: "Mr. Ted Angle receives his pension through the (federal) Civil Service Retirement System. While it is not supplemented by the federal government, current civil servants pay into the program to pay the schedule of those already retired - much like how the Social Security Program works today. Mr. Angle does not qualify - nor does he receive Social Security benefits. His health insurance plan (the Federal Employee Health Program), which also covers Sharron, is a continuation of what he was receiving while he worked for the federal government
Uh....
More Media Matters garbage.
Four seconds of research turned up the following:
-Angle has criticized the 2010 health care bill and opposes some particular government regulations.
-Her husband, a federal employee, participated for decades in a specified federal pension program.
-As a federal employee, he purchased insurance through the FEHBP.
-The insurance is provided by a private insurer, not by the federal government.
-Nothing about this is inconsistent with her stances.
Angle's campaign acknowledged to Nevada journalist Jon Ralston Monday that both the candidate and her husband receive health care from the federal government. Spokeswoman Ciara Matthews said in a statement: "Mr. Ted Angle receives his pension through the (federal) Civil Service Retirement System. While it is not supplemented by the federal government, current civil servants pay into the program to pay the schedule of those already retired - much like how the Social Security Program works today. Mr. Angle does not qualify - nor does he receive Social Security benefits. His health insurance plan (the Federal Employee Health Program), which also covers Sharron, is a continuation of what he was receiving while he worked for the federal government."
Wrong! Did you bother reading the link I provided?
What was that you were saying about Media Matters?
Wrong! Did you bother reading the link I provided?
What was that you were saying about Media Matters?
This is just grasping at straws. Even if she was on Medicaid it wouldn't mean squat. She wants to repeal that piece of garbage that is going to bankrupt the country, period.
She wants to repeal that what she is receiving? Isn't her husband out of the federal government now?
I am not taking anything out of context, they are receiving what could be considered the PUBLIC OPTION! He no longer works for the government, yet he is able to bypass the exorbitant premiums offered by the private profit making insurance carriers and buy coverage from the govenment. If she is against government health care insurance, then why doesn't she drop it and buy from a private concern?Does she? Is she on Medicaid? No an insurance that was part of her husbands job benefits, You are taking it out of context.
Uh....
More Media Matters garbage.
Spokeswoman Ciara Matthews said in a statement: "Mr. Ted Angle receives his pension through the (federal) Civil Service Retirement System. While it is not supplemented by the federal government, current civil servants pay into the program to pay the schedule of those already retired - much like how the Social Security Program works today. Mr. Angle does not qualify - nor does he receive Social Security benefits. His health insurance plan (the Federal Employee Health Program), which also covers Sharron, is a continuation of what he was receiving while he worked for the federal government
Four seconds of research turned up the following:
-Angle has criticized the 2010 health care bill and opposes some particular government regulations.
-Her husband, a federal employee, participated for decades in a specified federal pension program.
-As a federal employee, he purchased insurance through the FEHBP.
-The insurance is provided by a private insurer, not by the federal government.
-Nothing about this is inconsistent with her stances.
The Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) is a system of "managed competition" through which employee health benefits are provided to civilian government employees and annuitants of the United States government. Workers pay one-third of the cost of insurance, the government pays the other two-thirds.
Wrong! Did you bother reading the link I provided?
What was that you were saying about Media Matters?
Uh...
You put the wrong part in bold.
Next time spend five seconds and get the facts straight.:2wave:
LINK
In 2010 about 250 plans participate in the program.[4] About 20 plans are nationwide or almost nationwide, such as the ones offered by some employee unions such as the National Association of Letter Carriers, by some employee associations, and by national insurance companies such as AETNA and the Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association on behalf of its member companies. There are about 230 locally available plans, almost all HMOs.
...
The FEHBP relies on consumer choices among competing private plans to determine costs, premiums, benefits, and service. This model is in sharp contrast to that used by original Medicare. In Medicare, premiums, benefits, and payment rates are all centrally determined by law or regulation (there is no bargaining and no reliance on volume discounts in original Medicare; these parameters are set by fiat). Some have criticized the FEHBP model because neither the monopsony power nor purchasing power of the federal government is utilized to control costs. This controversy is similar to that which surrounded legislation for the Medicare Prescription Drug Coverage passed during the George W. Bush administration. Over time, however, the FEHBP has outperformed original Medicare not only in cost control, but also in benefit improvement, enrollee service, fraud prevention, and avoidance of "pork barrel" spending and earmarks.[5] (Medicare Part D has also controlled costs far better than originally forecast through a competitive, consumer-driven system of plan choices similar to and modeled after the FEHBP.)
Why is this so hard to understand?
You tell me... I thought I explained it pretty clearly.
Who pays the bulk (70%) of the bill?
End of story.
Thank you, good night.
I'm saying that they don't know what they're talking about and you don't appear to either.
Federal Employees Health Benefits Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) is a system of "managed competition" through which employee health benefits are provided to civilian government employees and annuitants of the United States government. Workers pay one-third of the cost of insurance, the government pays the other two-thirds
The FEHBP has often been proposed as a model for national health insurance and sometimes as a program that could directly enroll the uninsured.
Did you read the Wiki link?
And
Do you support this? :mrgreen:
Media Matters is relying on the fact that most of the people who read their site will confuse her health care (which is the same as any health care subsidized by an employer) with the type of health care that she was criticizing.
It appears they struck paydirt.
Media Matters is relying on the fact that most of the people who read their site will confuse her health care (which is the same as any health care subsidized by an employer) with the type of health care that she was criticizing.
The ad then cuts to an excerpt an interview that Angle did with Nevada journalist Jon Ralston in September. "Don't you think it's government's responsibility to make sure insurance companies cover certain things?" Ralston asked. To which Angled replied: "No, I don't think so."
The FEHB contains a number of features that make it one of the nation’s leaders in the provision of health insurance. For example:
- within 60 days from the date you enter the government (or become eligible), you may enroll in a health benefits plan with group-rated premiums and benefits;
- coverage is provided without a medical examination or restrictions because of age, current health, or pre-existing conditions;
- there are no waiting periods for benefits to kick in after the effective date of enrollment;
- there is catastrophic protection against unusually large medical bills; and
- you have an opportunity, during annual open seasons, to enroll in a health benefits plan if you are not already enrolled, or if you are enrolled, to change to another plan or option.
What employers offer health insurance as part of a pention plan? Mr. Angle no longer works for the Federal Government. Sharron Angle is against Feds providing heath care insurance so IMO, she and her husband should buy private insurance on their own not through the government. Why shouldn't other citizen have the option of getting their heath insurance this way?Read beyond the first line. As above, it's no different than any other employer-subsidized health insurance that comes from a private company.
Why is this so hard to understand?
Some have criticized the FEHBP model because neither the monopsony power nor purchasing power of the federal government is utilized to control costs.
I still don't get all what all the fuss is from media matters. Does Angle want to do away with all government run healthcare? Medicare, Medicaid, Veterans? To my knowledge all she wants to do is repeal and replace that god awful health care bill we passed.
I'm understanding that she is not on insurance that is government run, but so what if she was?
Maybe I missed something, maybe I'm just tired., maybe MM is just doing what they do best, print stuff so biased it's borderline lying.
Let's spend four more seconds and take a look at that specific criticism:
Yet, when it comes to FEHBP:
No confusion at all.
She opposes COVERAGE MANDATES. Her husband's plan benefits from mandates, and is 70% funded by TAX Dollars.
What employers offer health insurance as part of a pention plan?
Mr. Angle no longer works for the Federal Government. Sharron Angle is against Feds providing heath care insurance so IMO, she and her husband should buy private insurance on their own not through the government.
Why shouldn't other citizen have the option of getting their heath insurance this way?
BTW, the original information about this came from Politico, not Media Matters.
Again, I really can't understand the logic of your argument. She argues that government plans should do A, B, C, D, E, and F. The insurance that her husband was offered does A, B, C, D, E, and G. She uses that insurance. That does not mean that she doesn't prefer F to G, or that she's being a hypocrite by using it.
It was posted EXACTLY the way it appeared at Politico.:mrgreen:Yea, and the idiotic spin came from Media Matters.
It most certainly does.
It was posted EXACTLY the way it appeared at Politico.:mrgreen:
:lol: Your are correct about the 100%, but not the ultimate souce of the words, which came from Politico's Morning Score report yesterday. Every word. :mrgreen:Oh, well if you say so.
Not one word in your OP came from politico. It's 100% MM.
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