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Sharron Angle Receives Government Health Care

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Sharron Angle's dirty little socialist secret...


Sharron Angle (R-NV) is running for the U.S. Senate with a far-right agenda that can be adequately summed up as "drown the government in the bathtub." Angle's views on health care are no exception, as she supports repealing the Affordable Care Act and opposes the regulation of insurance companies. Recently, Angle has come under fire for mocking the idea that insurers should be required to cover treatment for autism.
However, despite her anti-government rhetoric, it turns out that Angle actually benefits from government health care. As Politico's "Morning Score" reports:
Anti-Government Crusader Sharron Angle Receives Government Health Care | Political Correction
 

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Uh....

Spokeswoman Ciara Matthews said in a statement: "Mr. Ted Angle receives his pension through the (federal) Civil Service Retirement System. While it is not supplemented by the federal government, current civil servants pay into the program to pay the schedule of those already retired - much like how the Social Security Program works today. Mr. Angle does not qualify - nor does he receive Social Security benefits. His health insurance plan (the Federal Employee Health Program), which also covers Sharron, is a continuation of what he was receiving while he worked for the federal government
More Media Matters garbage.

Four seconds of research turned up the following:

-Angle has criticized the 2010 health care bill and opposes some particular government regulations.
-Her husband, a federal employee, participated for decades in a specified federal pension program.
-As a federal employee, he purchased insurance through the FEHBP.
-The insurance is provided by a private insurer, not by the federal government.
-Nothing about this is inconsistent with her stances.
 

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More Media Matters garbage.

Four seconds of research turned up the following:

-Angle has criticized the 2010 health care bill and opposes some particular government regulations.
-Her husband, a federal employee, participated for decades in a specified federal pension program.
-As a federal employee, he purchased insurance through the FEHBP.
-The insurance is provided by a private insurer, not by the federal government.
-Nothing about this is inconsistent with her stances.
Wrong! Did you bother reading the link I provided? :confused:

Angle's campaign acknowledged to Nevada journalist Jon Ralston Monday that both the candidate and her husband receive health care from the federal government. Spokeswoman Ciara Matthews said in a statement: "Mr. Ted Angle receives his pension through the (federal) Civil Service Retirement System. While it is not supplemented by the federal government, current civil servants pay into the program to pay the schedule of those already retired - much like how the Social Security Program works today. Mr. Angle does not qualify - nor does he receive Social Security benefits. His health insurance plan (the Federal Employee Health Program), which also covers Sharron, is a continuation of what he was receiving while he worked for the federal government."
What was that you were saying about Media Matters?
 

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Wrong! Did you bother reading the link I provided? :confused:



What was that you were saying about Media Matters?
This is just grasping at straws. Even if she was on Medicaid it wouldn't mean squat. She wants to repeal that piece of garbage that is going to bankrupt the country, period.
 

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Wrong! Did you bother reading the link I provided? :confused:



What was that you were saying about Media Matters?
He recieves Government health care because he was a government employee. Just like congress gets government insurance. It is BS that means nothing
 

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This is just grasping at straws. Even if she was on Medicaid it wouldn't mean squat. She wants to repeal that piece of garbage that is going to bankrupt the country, period.
She wants to repeal that what she is receiving? Isn't her husband out of the federal government now?
 

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She wants to repeal that what she is receiving? Isn't her husband out of the federal government now?
Does she? Is she on Medicaid? No an insurance that was part of her husbands job benefits, You are taking it out of context.
 

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Does she? Is she on Medicaid? No an insurance that was part of her husbands job benefits, You are taking it out of context.
I am not taking anything out of context, they are receiving what could be considered the PUBLIC OPTION! He no longer works for the government, yet he is able to bypass the exorbitant premiums offered by the private profit making insurance carriers and buy coverage from the govenment. If she is against government health care insurance, then why doesn't she drop it and buy from a private concern?

Hypocrite!!!
 

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More Media Matters garbage.
Uh...

Spokeswoman Ciara Matthews said in a statement: "Mr. Ted Angle receives his pension through the (federal) Civil Service Retirement System. While it is not supplemented by the federal government, current civil servants pay into the program to pay the schedule of those already retired - much like how the Social Security Program works today. Mr. Angle does not qualify - nor does he receive Social Security benefits. His health insurance plan (the Federal Employee Health Program), which also covers Sharron, is a continuation of what he was receiving while he worked for the federal government
You put the wrong part in bold.

Four seconds of research turned up the following:

-Angle has criticized the 2010 health care bill and opposes some particular government regulations.
-Her husband, a federal employee, participated for decades in a specified federal pension program.
-As a federal employee, he purchased insurance through the FEHBP.
-The insurance is provided by a private insurer, not by the federal government.
-Nothing about this is inconsistent with her stances.
Next time spend five seconds and get the facts straight.:2wave:

The Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) is a system of "managed competition" through which employee health benefits are provided to civilian government employees and annuitants of the United States government. Workers pay one-third of the cost of insurance, the government pays the other two-thirds.
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Uh...

You put the wrong part in bold.

Next time spend five seconds and get the facts straight.:2wave:

LINK
Why is this so hard to understand?

In 2010 about 250 plans participate in the program.[4] About 20 plans are nationwide or almost nationwide, such as the ones offered by some employee unions such as the National Association of Letter Carriers, by some employee associations, and by national insurance companies such as AETNA and the Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association on behalf of its member companies. There are about 230 locally available plans, almost all HMOs.

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The FEHBP relies on consumer choices among competing private plans to determine costs, premiums, benefits, and service. This model is in sharp contrast to that used by original Medicare. In Medicare, premiums, benefits, and payment rates are all centrally determined by law or regulation (there is no bargaining and no reliance on volume discounts in original Medicare; these parameters are set by fiat). Some have criticized the FEHBP model because neither the monopsony power nor purchasing power of the federal government is utilized to control costs. This controversy is similar to that which surrounded legislation for the Medicare Prescription Drug Coverage passed during the George W. Bush administration. Over time, however, the FEHBP has outperformed original Medicare not only in cost control, but also in benefit improvement, enrollee service, fraud prevention, and avoidance of "pork barrel" spending and earmarks.[5] (Medicare Part D has also controlled costs far better than originally forecast through a competitive, consumer-driven system of plan choices similar to and modeled after the FEHBP.)
 
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You tell me... I thought I explained it pretty clearly.

Who pays the bulk (70%) of the bill?

End of story.

Thank you, good night.
Media Matters is relying on the fact that most of the people who read their site will confuse her health care (which is the same as any health care subsidized by an employer) with the type of health care that she was criticizing.

It appears they struck paydirt.
 

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I'm saying that they don't know what they're talking about and you don't appear to either.

Federal Employees Health Benefits Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Did you read the Wiki link?

The Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) is a system of "managed competition" through which employee health benefits are provided to civilian government employees and annuitants of the United States government. Workers pay one-third of the cost of insurance, the government pays the other two-thirds
And

The FEHBP has often been proposed as a model for national health insurance and sometimes as a program that could directly enroll the uninsured.
Do you support this? :mrgreen:
 

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Did you read the Wiki link?

And
Read beyond the first line. As above, it's no different than any other employer-subsidized health insurance that comes from a private company.


Do you support this? :mrgreen:
What does my stance on this have to do with anything?

"In enacting the Medicare Modernization Act in 2003, the Congress explicitly modeled the reformed Medicare Advantage program and the new Medicare Part D Prescription Drug program after the FEHBP.[14] One of the prominent proposals for health reform in the United States, the proposed bipartisan Wyden-Bennett Act is largely modeled after the FEHBP, as have recent "Republican Alternative" proposals by Representative Paul Ryan."
 

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Media Matters is relying on the fact that most of the people who read their site will confuse her health care (which is the same as any health care subsidized by an employer) with the type of health care that she was criticizing.

It appears they struck paydirt.
I still don't get all what all the fuss is from media matters. Does Angle want to do away with all government run healthcare? Medicare, Medicaid, Veterans? To my knowledge all she wants to do is repeal and replace that god awful health care bill we passed.
I'm understanding that she is not on insurance that is government run, but so what if she was?
Maybe I missed something, maybe I'm just tired., maybe MM is just doing what they do best, print stuff so biased it's borderline lying.
 

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Shoot! They lied right in their headline. Angle is not anti-government. None of the tea party is. We are for limited government.
 

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Media Matters is relying on the fact that most of the people who read their site will confuse her health care (which is the same as any health care subsidized by an employer) with the type of health care that she was criticizing.
Let's spend four more seconds and take a look at that specific criticism:

The ad then cuts to an excerpt an interview that Angle did with Nevada journalist Jon Ralston in September. "Don't you think it's government's responsibility to make sure insurance companies cover certain things?" Ralston asked. To which Angled replied: "No, I don't think so."
Yet, when it comes to FEHBP:

The FEHB contains a number of features that make it one of the nation’s leaders in the provision of health insurance. For example:

  • within 60 days from the date you enter the government (or become eligible), you may enroll in a health benefits plan with group-rated premiums and benefits;
  • coverage is provided without a medical examination or restrictions because of age, current health, or pre-existing conditions;
  • there are no waiting periods for benefits to kick in after the effective date of enrollment;
  • there is catastrophic protection against unusually large medical bills; and
  • you have an opportunity, during annual open seasons, to enroll in a health benefits plan if you are not already enrolled, or if you are enrolled, to change to another plan or option.
No confusion at all.

She opposes COVERAGE MANDATES. Her husband's plan benefits from mandates, and is 70% funded by TAX Dollars.
 

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Read beyond the first line. As above, it's no different than any other employer-subsidized health insurance that comes from a private company.
What employers offer health insurance as part of a pention plan? Mr. Angle no longer works for the Federal Government. Sharron Angle is against Feds providing heath care insurance so IMO, she and her husband should buy private insurance on their own not through the government. Why shouldn't other citizen have the option of getting their heath insurance this way?

BTW, the original information about this came from Politico, not Media Matters.
 

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Why is this so hard to understand?
Some have criticized the FEHBP model because neither the monopsony power nor purchasing power of the federal government is utilized to control costs.
Sounds like the FEHBP needs reform. What's the point in having that if you cannot get monopsony power nor collectively large purchasing power?
 

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I still don't get all what all the fuss is from media matters. Does Angle want to do away with all government run healthcare? Medicare, Medicaid, Veterans? To my knowledge all she wants to do is repeal and replace that god awful health care bill we passed.
I'm understanding that she is not on insurance that is government run, but so what if she was?
Maybe I missed something, maybe I'm just tired., maybe MM is just doing what they do best, print stuff so biased it's borderline lying.
No, you're spot on.

Let's spend four more seconds and take a look at that specific criticism:

Yet, when it comes to FEHBP:

No confusion at all.

She opposes COVERAGE MANDATES. Her husband's plan benefits from mandates, and is 70% funded by TAX Dollars.
She has said that she doesn't think it's the government's responsibility to do X.
Her husband's employer offers insurance through a plan that does some version of X.

Is this plan a perfect reflection of a plan she would theoretically design? No, probably not. Does that make her a hypocrite? Of course not.

What employers offer health insurance as part of a pention plan?
Again, read the story. There are two different things involved here.

Mr. Angle no longer works for the Federal Government. Sharron Angle is against Feds providing heath care insurance so IMO, she and her husband should buy private insurance on their own not through the government.
And you're free to think whatever you want.

Why shouldn't other citizen have the option of getting their heath insurance this way?
Because they don't work for the government? I don't have the option of getting a pension that will allow me to retire in 20 years at half pay like the NYPD does. Is that unfair?

Again, I really can't understand the logic of your argument. She argues that government plans should do A, B, C, D, E, and F. The insurance that her husband was offered does A, B, C, D, E, and G. She uses that insurance. That does not mean that she doesn't prefer F to G, or that she's being a hypocrite by using it.

BTW, the original information about this came from Politico, not Media Matters.
Yea, and the idiotic spin came from Media Matters.
 

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Again, I really can't understand the logic of your argument. She argues that government plans should do A, B, C, D, E, and F. The insurance that her husband was offered does A, B, C, D, E, and G. She uses that insurance. That does not mean that she doesn't prefer F to G, or that she's being a hypocrite by using it.
It most certainly does.



Yea, and the idiotic spin came from Media Matters.
It was posted EXACTLY the way it appeared at Politico.:mrgreen:
 

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Oh, well if you say so.



Not one word in your OP came from politico. It's 100% MM.
:lol: Your are correct about the 100%, but not the ultimate souce of the words, which came from Politico's Morning Score report yesterday. Every word. :mrgreen:
 
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