Shame on you DP members

[Indy]

Shame on you. We have always had our differences and do not see eye to eye, but at least we used to be able to have conversations and meaningful debates. We used to discuss issues for 20+ pages with stats, quotes, historical comparisons, etc. but now all we do is bicker. To make things worse, it seems that we take joy out of the misery of our fellow DP members. Why on earth would you be happy that somebody's candidate is loosing when you haven't mentioned a single real issue in months? It seems that people on this forum have begun to only care about the polls so that they can beat up on the opposing party and taunt them. This election has sucked the intelligence out of this forum and has replaced it with blind partisanship and an embarrassingly large amount of 5th grade bully mentality. This goes for just about everyone. True, we do have our occasional shining stars who choose to use issues instead of insults to win the debates, but these are few and far between these days. I am embarrassed and disgusted with my favorite political stomping grounds. I say shame on both your houses, liberal and conservative alike.

Get back on track. Start talking about issues again. Be civil. Use the brain that's between your ears and not the one on the AM radio. Stop posting polls every single day and hollering about how you knew all along your boy would win and your "enemies" are scared. Grow up. Act like adults. If you don't have an intelligent new way of looking at the issue or a new fact then don't even bother posting. Site your sources. Stop making things up and then getting upset when people call you out on it. Don't post something that you wouldn't say in front of your grandmother. And most of all, check your blind partisanship at the door. We aren't toddlers here, we are adults. Look at the top right hand corner of your screen, we only have one rule: CIVILITY IS A MUST.

 

[Navy Pride]

Shame on you. We have always had our differences and do not see eye to eye, but at least we used to be able to have conversations and meaningful debates. We used to discuss issues for 20+ pages with stats, quotes, historical comparisons, etc. but now all we do is bicker. To make things worse, it seems that we take joy out of the misery of our fellow DP members. Why on earth would you be happy that somebody's candidate is loosing when you haven't mentioned a single real issue in months? It seems that people on this forum have begun to only care about the polls so that they can beat up on the opposing party and taunt them. This election has sucked the intelligence out of this forum and has replaced it with blind partisanship and an embarrassingly large amount of 5th grade bully mentality. This goes for just about everyone. True, we do have our occasional shining stars who choose to use issues instead of insults to win the debates, but these are few and far between these days. I am embarrassed and disgusted with my favorite political stomping grounds. I say shame on both your houses, liberal and conservative alike.

Get back on track. Start talking about issues again. Be civil. Use the brain that's between your ears and not the one on the AM radio. Stop posting polls every single day and hollering about how you knew all along your boy would win and your "enemies" are scared. Grow up. Act like adults. If you don't have an intelligent new way of looking at the issue or a new fact then don't even bother posting. Site your sources. Stop making things up and then getting upset when people call you out on it. Don't post something that you wouldn't say in front of your grandmother. And most of all, check your blind partisanship at the door. We aren't toddlers here, we are adults. Look at the top right hand corner of your screen, we only have one rule: CIVILITY IS A MUST.

ROTFLMAO Pot Meet Kettle........:rofl

 

[danarhea]

ROTFLMAO Pot Meet Kettle........:rofl

^
I see that kettle has spoken. :mrgreen:

 

[Navy Pride]

^
I see that kettle has spoken. :mrgreen:

yeah you have....

 

[danarhea]

yeah you have....

Wrong, I am pot. YOU are kettle. Make a deal with you. I'll make you some beans if you make me some tea. Deal?

Damn, who says we can't compromise on the important things, like our stomachs? :mrgreen:

 

[Kernel Sanders]

ROTFLMAO Pot Meet Kettle........:rofl

^
I see that kettle has spoken. :mrgreen:

yeah you have....

I'd like to thank you both for illustrating Indy's point so well. It really puts this thread in context

 

[Quortix]

Just being short of 2 weeks reading from this forum on and off, I've come to the conclusion that the majority of people seek to use the same political bickering, finding its way in the realm of smear campaigns, for self-aggrandizement and personal gains. I am highly disappointed in a conduct of most members who rather mirror the same spinmasters in the mainstream media to marinate their arguments with specious half-truths, bizarre analogies, and array of non-sequiturs; ultra-partisans out-maneuvering each other. Just remember, if the media of far Left or Right fuel the election circus with no sound contribution to the end result, they have a stake to BBQ -- they make their profit, you don't. So much so that I see no reason to continue on posting here although I might enjoy the discussion on Economics sub-forum. This country has become a lost cause and I rather take myself out of the political scene... For my own sanity. Oh heck, I've made my million and I am not even 30... What do I care.


So long

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Shame on you. We have always had our differences and do not see eye to eye, but at least we used to be able to have conversations and meaningful debates. We used to discuss issues for 20+ pages with stats, quotes, historical comparisons, etc. but now all we do is bicker. To make things worse, it seems that we take joy out of the misery of our fellow DP members. Why on earth would you be happy that somebody's candidate is loosing when you haven't mentioned a single real issue in months? It seems that people on this forum have begun to only care about the polls so that they can beat up on the opposing party and taunt them. This election has sucked the intelligence out of this forum and has replaced it with blind partisanship and an embarrassingly large amount of 5th grade bully mentality. This goes for just about everyone. True, we do have our occasional shining stars who choose to use issues instead of insults to win the debates, but these are few and far between these days. I am embarrassed and disgusted with my favorite political stomping grounds. I say shame on both your houses, liberal and conservative alike.

Get back on track. Start talking about issues again. Be civil. Use the brain that's between your ears and not the one on the AM radio. Stop posting polls every single day and hollering about how you knew all along your boy would win and your "enemies" are scared. Grow up. Act like adults. If you don't have an intelligent new way of looking at the issue or a new fact then don't even bother posting. Site your sources. Stop making things up and then getting upset when people call you out on it. Don't post something that you wouldn't say in front of your grandmother. And most of all, check your blind partisanship at the door. We aren't toddlers here, we are adults. Look at the top right hand corner of your screen, we only have one rule: CIVILITY IS A MUST.

i blame the selective "captains challenge" :2wave::lol:

 

[Indy]

i blame the selective "captains challenge" :2wave::lol:

?? Can you elaborate? (really I have no idea what you are referring to)

 

[Dr_Patrick]

Shame on you. We have always had our differences and do not see eye to eye, but at least we used to be able to have conversations and meaningful debates. We used to discuss issues for 20+ pages with stats, quotes, historical comparisons, etc. but now all we do is bicker. To make things worse, it seems that we take joy out of the misery of our fellow DP members. Why on earth would you be happy that somebody's candidate is loosing when you haven't mentioned a single real issue in months? It seems that people on this forum have begun to only care about the polls so that they can beat up on the opposing party and taunt them. This election has sucked the intelligence out of this forum and has replaced it with blind partisanship and an embarrassingly large amount of 5th grade bully mentality. This goes for just about everyone. True, we do have our occasional shining stars who choose to use issues instead of insults to win the debates, but these are few and far between these days. I am embarrassed and disgusted with my favorite political stomping grounds. I say shame on both your houses, liberal and conservative alike.

Get back on track. Start talking about issues again. Be civil. Use the brain that's between your ears and not the one on the AM radio. Stop posting polls every single day and hollering about how you knew all along your boy would win and your "enemies" are scared. Grow up. Act like adults. If you don't have an intelligent new way of looking at the issue or a new fact then don't even bother posting. Site your sources. Stop making things up and then getting upset when people call you out on it. Don't post something that you wouldn't say in front of your grandmother. And most of all, check your blind partisanship at the door. We aren't toddlers here, we are adults. Look at the top right hand corner of your screen, we only have one rule: CIVILITY IS A MUST.

Thank you for saying what needed to be said. I couldn't agree with you more. The absurdity of the political bickering from both sides has not only made me want to take a break from debating politics, but it's made me want to take a break from politics all together. Unfortunately, I think a large part of the bickering here on DP is merely a product of how the political sniping is played out between candidates by the media. Maybe I'm wrong, but this election season seems particularly bad because the candidates seem attacking eachother more than ever and placing non-issue attacks at the same level as legitimate attacks. All of this absurdity has made a lot of people, myself included, eager as hell for the election to just be over with so things can get to a normal level again.

 

[Dr_Patrick]

ROTFLMAO Pot Meet Kettle........:rofl

Unfortunately, you obviously don't hold integrity and honesty with such high regard like you do with drama and partisan hackery. It's quite apparent that you thrive on it and are incapable to engaging in a normal conversation without it. It's sad that you would lower yourself further by attacking someone for bringing up a legitimate non-partisan issue about the state of this forum. Perhaps in the future you could try to think of something thought provoking and legitimate to add to the conversation.

 

[Navy Pride]

Unfortunately, you obviously don't hold integrity and honesty with such high regard like you do with drama and partisan hackery. It's quite apparent that you thrive on it and are incapable to engaging in a normal conversation without it. It's sad that you would lower yourself further by attacking someone for bringing up a legitimate non-partisan issue about the state of this forum. Perhaps in the future you could try to think of something thought provoking and legitimate to add to the conversation.

You lefties crack me up.......

 

[Indy]

I'd just like to say "So long" to this thread. Since it was moved to the Suggestions forum is can only assume that it will die shortly. That sucks because I really thought people would wake up once they had a chance to look in the mirror and see what this election has turned them into.

 

[Captain America]

Some people here just plain suck. Here lately, more than usual. Sure, we have our usual pricks here, always have. But as of late, it seems as some infection has spread here.

I think it's time for me to spend some time away from this forum.

I cannot find the answer as to why I subject myself to reading all of their ignorant bullshi* voluntarily.

I really can't figure it out.

I think I will take some time away and try to figure it out.

So, until I can find my way back, as I am sure I will someday, I wish you all health, peace and prosperity.

So, for now, I'm signing off.

Captain America

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Shame on you. We have always had our differences and do not see eye to eye, but at least we used to be able to have conversations and meaningful debates. We used to discuss issues for 20+ pages with stats, quotes, historical comparisons, etc. but now all we do is bicker. To make things worse, it seems that we take joy out of the misery of our fellow DP members. Why on earth would you be happy that somebody's candidate is loosing when you haven't mentioned a single real issue in months? It seems that people on this forum have begun to only care about the polls so that they can beat up on the opposing party and taunt them. This election has sucked the intelligence out of this forum and has replaced it with blind partisanship and an embarrassingly large amount of 5th grade bully mentality. This goes for just about everyone. True, we do have our occasional shining stars who choose to use issues instead of insults to win the debates, but these are few and far between these days. I am embarrassed and disgusted with my favorite political stomping grounds. I say shame on both your houses, liberal and conservative alike.

Get back on track. Start talking about issues again. Be civil. Use the brain that's between your ears and not the one on the AM radio. Stop posting polls every single day and hollering about how you knew all along your boy would win and your "enemies" are scared. Grow up. Act like adults. If you don't have an intelligent new way of looking at the issue or a new fact then don't even bother posting. Site your sources. Stop making things up and then getting upset when people call you out on it. Don't post something that you wouldn't say in front of your grandmother. And most of all, check your blind partisanship at the door. We aren't toddlers here, we are adults. Look at the top right hand corner of your screen, we only have one rule: CIVILITY IS A MUST.

Somebody else gets it. :applaud

 

[Tashah]

Shame on you. We have always had our differences and do not see eye to eye, but at least we used to be able to have conversations and meaningful debates. We used to discuss issues for 20+ pages with stats, quotes, historical comparisons, etc. but now all we do is bicker. To make things worse, it seems that we take joy out of the misery of our fellow DP members. Why on earth would you be happy that somebody's candidate is loosing when you haven't mentioned a single real issue in months? It seems that people on this forum have begun to only care about the polls so that they can beat up on the opposing party and taunt them. This election has sucked the intelligence out of this forum and has replaced it with blind partisanship and an embarrassingly large amount of 5th grade bully mentality. This goes for just about everyone. True, we do have our occasional shining stars who choose to use issues instead of insults to win the debates, but these are few and far between these days. I am embarrassed and disgusted with my favorite political stomping grounds. I say shame on both your houses, liberal and conservative alike.

Get back on track. Start talking about issues again. Be civil. Use the brain that's between your ears and not the one on the AM radio. Stop posting polls every single day and hollering about how you knew all along your boy would win and your "enemies" are scared. Grow up. Act like adults. If you don't have an intelligent new way of looking at the issue or a new fact then don't even bother posting. Site your sources. Stop making things up and then getting upset when people call you out on it. Don't post something that you wouldn't say in front of your grandmother. And most of all, check your blind partisanship at the door. We aren't toddlers here, we are adults. Look at the top right hand corner of your screen, we only have one rule: CIVILITY IS A MUST.

Bravo Indy. The level of hyper-partisanship and smear-news during this election season is frickin embarrassing. A lot of you folks should be ashamed of yourselves. You're being no different here than those beltway politicians in Washington you swear you despise. Look in the mirror.

 

[aps]

I'd just like to say "So long" to this thread. Since it was moved to the Suggestions forum is can only assume that it will die shortly. That sucks because I really thought people would wake up once they had a chance to look in the mirror and see what this election has turned them into.

I hate to break the news to you but it wouldn't have worked no matter where you put this thread.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I hate to break the news to you but it wouldn't have worked no matter where you put this thread.

aps, and this is not directed at you, but at the essence of your comment, if more people actually did what Indy is suggesting, it might work. I'd be nice if people read this and did not dismiss it.

 

[aps]

aps, and this is not directed at you, but at the essence of your comment, if more people actually did what Indy is suggesting, it might work. I'd be nice if people read this and did not dismiss it.

I'm not dismissing it for myself (although I am sure others would argue otherwise)--I'm dismissing it based on what I have seen posted on here over the last month. Look at what happened to your challenge. I was called the most vulgar word of the female genitalia. Yeah, that's about debating politics allright. NOT.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I'm not dismissing it for myself (although I am sure others would argue otherwise)--I'm dismissing it based on what I have seen posted on here over the last month. Look at what happened to your challenge. I was called the most vulgar word of the female genitalia. Yeah, that's about debating politics allright. NOT.

Standing up for something you believe is right, even when faced with attacks from others can be difficult. And my challenge has made people aware on both sides of the political spectrum. And for some, it has made a difference in their posting. Of course there are always those who will be resistant to change.

 

[Indy]

I just took a gander at the US Elections forum this morning and it looks like this thread had zero impact. Sad times.

 

[Dr_Patrick]

I just took a gander at the US Elections forum this morning and it looks like this thread had zero impact. Sad times.

Unfortunately, a lot of people are far so wrapped up in being political and partisan that they are unable to have normal non-political conversations that take an objective look at what is happening to both sides.

 

[American]

Just being short of 2 weeks reading from this forum on and off, I've come to the conclusion that the majority of people seek to use the same political bickering, finding its way in the realm of smear campaigns, for self-aggrandizement and personal gains. I am highly disappointed in a conduct of most members who rather mirror the same spinmasters in the mainstream media to marinate their arguments with specious half-truths, bizarre analogies, and array of non-sequiturs; ultra-partisans out-maneuvering each other. Just remember, if the media of far Left or Right fuel the election circus with no sound contribution to the end result, they have a stake to BBQ -- they make their profit, you don't. So much so that I see no reason to continue on posting here although I might enjoy the discussion on Economics sub-forum. This country has become a lost cause and I rather take myself out of the political scene... For my own sanity. Oh heck, I've made my million and I am not even 30... What do I care.


So long

Quor..... uh who? Anyway, as we were saying.....

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

Shame on you. We have always had our differences and do not see eye to eye, but at least we used to be able to have conversations and meaningful debates. We used to discuss issues for 20+ pages with stats, quotes, historical comparisons, etc. but now all we do is bicker. To make things worse, it seems that we take joy out of the misery of our fellow DP members. Why on earth would you be happy that somebody's candidate is loosing when you haven't mentioned a single real issue in months? It seems that people on this forum have begun to only care about the polls so that they can beat up on the opposing party and taunt them. This election has sucked the intelligence out of this forum and has replaced it with blind partisanship and an embarrassingly large amount of 5th grade bully mentality. This goes for just about everyone. True, we do have our occasional shining stars who choose to use issues instead of insults to win the debates, but these are few and far between these days. I am embarrassed and disgusted with my favorite political stomping grounds. I say shame on both your houses, liberal and conservative alike.

Get back on track. Start talking about issues again. Be civil. Use the brain that's between your ears and not the one on the AM radio. Stop posting polls every single day and hollering about how you knew all along your boy would win and your "enemies" are scared. Grow up. Act like adults. If you don't have an intelligent new way of looking at the issue or a new fact then don't even bother posting. Site your sources. Stop making things up and then getting upset when people call you out on it. Don't post something that you wouldn't say in front of your grandmother. And most of all, check your blind partisanship at the door. We aren't toddlers here, we are adults. Look at the top right hand corner of your screen, we only have one rule: CIVILITY IS A MUST.

Thank you. You are absolutely 100% correct.

I myself sometimes wander off the path of talking about what's important, but to be honest the tone in this forum as a whole has had me either searching for a funciton that lets me ignore threads started by certain individuals, or thinking I should just wander off.

The difficulty with simply leaving is that just about every political forum I've wandered through has the same problems we're having here, just to different degrees and with a local flavor.

Either way, I stand chastised and I guess all I can do is change my own behavior. There's no venue I've found yet that is free of tard-iness.

 

[Thorgasm]

Here is a thought I had. The very people that are complaining about the quality of debate here aren't starting any threads conducive to a good debate. All it takes is one partisan thread to start a snowball effect. It's sad. I have started partisan threads. This is due to the fact that the campaigns and the media aren't giving us anything substantive to discuss. Apparently no one can find anything substantive to talk about with regards to the election. The internet is mirrors the real world, but it also magnifies it. Anonymity gives people the luxury to speak their true feelings with no repurcussions.

This doesn't excuse my threads. It's no secret that I have been in the Obama camp for quite some time. In real debate, you aren't required to acknowledge your opponent's points. You aren't required to point out or acknowledge weaknesses in your own argument. If people can be civil, this can work. You can choose a side, and still have effective, intelligent debate.

Where's the line between partisan and hyper-partisan?