Senator Obama may run

[26 X World Champs]

stuff it 26X-the board is familiar with your obsession over me. I thought you dems consider socialism a compliment given so many dem politicians are part of the democratic-socialist alliance. There are many facets of socialism that the dem party favors and you do to. Do you deny that.

Now I am off this board for awhile so you will just have to wait overnight for a response to whatever you post

:rofl Thanks for the incredible belly laugh...right on Dude, right on! Just so everyone is clear you called Obama a Socialist and when asked several times to prove what you said you cut and run.

If this debate were a football game I would be Ohio State and you would be Indiana University...That debate (game) ended with OSU winning 44-3 and if this were a debate where points were awarded you would have lost 44-3 too....:lol: :2wave:

 

[Stinger]

Obama is an empty suit. There's absolutely no way he will win the presidency, much less the nomination. He's great on paper, but has no real shot.

I listened to him interviewed this morning and he's full of spin. He wants to have it both ways on most issues and I still don't here many specifics.

>>MR. RUSSERT: Let me start with Iraq, because you write about it in your book and you’ve been talking about it on the campaign a little bit. This is what you told New Yorker magazine: “There’s an old saying in politics: when your opponent’s in trouble, just get out of the way. ... in political terms, I don’t think that Democrats are obligated to solve Iraq for the Administration.”

The typical Democrat, complain about it but offer no solutions. The Dems are running on taking over the Senate so they can dictate to the President the terms of the war but offer none.

MR. RUSSERT: In your book, page 302, you write that we should begin this phased withdrawal by the end of 2006.SEN. OBAMA: Right.
MR. RUSSERT: That’s within the next 70 days.
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SEN. OBAMA: Right.

MR. RUSSERT: That’s your position.SEN. OBAMA: Well, the—I—what I....<<

And he goes on to basically say he would do what we are doing.

>>MR. RUSSERT: You write this: “Why invade Iraq and not North Korea or Burma? Why intervene in Bosnia and not Darfur?” Would you invade North Korea?

SEN. OBAMA: No, I don’t think that’s an option. <<

Then

MR. RUSSERT: ...you would be opposed to military action?

SEN. OBAMA: No. Look, I think that military options have to be on the table when you’re dealing with rogue states that have shown constant hostility towards the United States. <<

He can't have it two ways, sending such confusing signals shows weakness.

 

[talloulou]

There's just no way. We haven't even had any black presidents, female presidents, jewish presidents, ect. We aren't about to suddenly elect a guy whose name sounds so close to Osama. At least not in my opinion.

 

[Andy]

That's what they said about Kennedy being Catholic.

 

[talloulou]

That's what they said about Kennedy being Catholic.

Exactly look at how big a deal it was that Kennedy was Catholic. And in this case you are talking about a guy who attended Muslim schools, has a Muslim sounding name, ect.... and Muslim extremists are on the news everyday!

 

[Andy]

But it also shows that a candidate can win despite these factors. Plus I doubt that any credible Republican would call Obama a terrorist for the crime of having a "muslim-sounding" name.

 

[Stinger]

i have to go against you here. there are 2, possible 3 democratic presidents, or almost presidents, that i liked. JFK was one of them. i thought he was a good president. he diffused the Cuban Misslie Crisis, and helped to start the ball on Civil Rights.

The ball on Civil Rights got started under the Eisenhower administration when a Republican judge ordered the schools in Little Rock AR desegregated and Esienhower sent federal troops in to enforce the decree. The Democrats at the time were busy filibustering Civil Rights and Voting Rights legislation while the Republicans voted by solid majorities in support of such bills. Kennedy gave tepid if any support for such legislation during his term. Johnson with the help of the Republican minorities got the bills finally passed over the Democrat legislative manueverings.

Obama right now reminds me of Kennedy and Clinton for that matter in that there is a lot of talk but no real substance. He may finally show some, but he has a ways to go.

 

[talloulou]

But it also shows that a candidate can win despite these factors. Plus I doubt that any credible Republican would call Obama a terrorist for the crime of having a "muslim-sounding" name.

No they won't just as this thread went on and on without anyone pointing to his muslim background. But it doesn't matter it will be on everyones mind especially once the media starts discussing it. Once he announces he is a candidate his whole family history will be discussed and that will be hard for him to overcome. His father wasn't even an American Muslim. So while many people can say well Muslims here aren't comparable to Muslims abroad this guy went to a Muslim school in like Indonesia or something. I just don't think he's electable in the current climate.

 

[Stinger]

I'd like to see Obama stay in the senate for a while. Face a few tough bill battles. Really toughen up. And show us that he has more than race going for him.
Unfortunately, in 2008, I don't think America will be ready for a black president. I'm not really sure why, just a feeling.
ted

A black liberal president, probably not. A black conservative, maybe. Conservatives will not vote for someone because they are black, so a black liberal picks up no votes there. Some liberals will vote for a black conservative because they are black, so the conservative can pick up some votes there.

 

[RightinNYC]

it may have played a part, the bay of pigs but i do not believe that it was the overriding reason.
as for bobby being the dominant force in JFK's "conversion" to civil rights, i agree. but once he was on board, i think he was on board. as you say, he was the compas, but the president still did what he knew was right.

sorry about the tangent. i just get fixed on things sometimes and i want to explore it.

No worries, its definitely an interesting topic. :2wave:

 

[RightinNYC]

Hardly, I don't think I even hinted at that, I just think they have to know the law, and this man does, I mean..........they took a chance on you here.......

This man could do the job, Bush did it, and I don't think he is any better then Obama, that has certainly been the consensus!

Note that I'm not really arguing that he couldn't do the job were he elected (though I'm not conceding that either), but mostly that if it came down to it and his actual record were hashed out with the scrutiny that comes onto presidential candidates, the public would overwhelmingly decline to vote for a person who has such limited experience and is so wholly image driven.

 

[Morrow]

Obama is an empty suit. There's absolutely no way he will win the presidency, much less the nomination. He's great on paper, but has no real shot.

The democrats thought bush was a loser and lost two governors races and two presidential elections to him. I wouldn't underestimate anyone in politics, they can always be craftier than you think.

 

[Kandahar]

Why is Obama's lack of experience a liability? I can't think of a better qualification than NOT having spent your whole life in Washington.

And the Senate is a political death trap. The longer you stay, the more controversial votes you cast. If he's ever planning to run, it needs to be in 2008.

 

[TurtleDude]

:rofl Thanks for the incredible belly laugh...right on Dude, right on! Just so everyone is clear you called Obama a Socialist and when asked several times to prove what you said you cut and run.

If this debate were a football game I would be Ohio State and you would be Indiana University...That debate (game) ended with OSU winning 44-3 and if this were a debate where points were awarded you would have lost 44-3 too....:lol: :2wave:

Funny how no one on this forum has ever posted anything affirming your own delusions of superiority. Keep on feeling you are right-after all, how you feel is the reality in your world

 

[aps]

For some reason, I find Obama rather boring. I was bored watching him on Meet the Press yesterday and on Keith Olbermann last week.

I know he doesn't stand a chance of winning the democratic nomination, but Russell Feingold is someone who genuinely interests me. I love the way he speaks. I have a Meet the Press saved where he was on it because I loved what he had to say. He said that impeaching the president was a dumb idea, but he still stood by censuring him . He doesn't go along with his party if he doesn't agree with them. I find him to be honest and articulate. But a Jewish man who has been divorced twice--doesn't stand a chance.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

stuff it 26X-the board is familiar with your obsession over me. I thought you dems consider socialism a compliment given so many dem politicians are part of the democratic-socialist alliance. There are many facets of socialism that the dem party favors and you do to. Do you deny that.

Now I am off this board for awhile so you will just have to wait overnight for a response to whatever you post

He's not just obsessed with you. He behaves this way with anyone who offers a different opinion. And instead of accepting it and debating it, he attacks the poster.

 

[Stinger]

For some reason, I find Obama rather boring. I was bored watching him on Meet the Press yesterday and on Keith Olbermann last week.

He is starting to remind of the Anthony Robbins and other motivational speakers who talk really well but in the end you scratch your head thinking "what did they say in all that". Fox and Friends had two interesting clips this morning. One from thier show last week where he was pretty adamant about he was not running for President in 2008 had no plans and was not even thinking about it. Then the clips from yesterday on MtP where he said he was thinking about it. He'd better learn that what he says it forever in the books and you can't flip-flop around and be successful.


"He said that impeaching the president was a dumb idea, but he still stood by censuring him . He doesn't go along with his party if he doesn't agree with them. I find him to be honest and articulate. But a Jewish man who has been divorced twice--doesn't stand a chance."

Well he better review the debate that went on about the Senate censuring a President during the Clinton impeachment. The congress has no business doing any such thing and more than the President has any business issuing an executive order censuring the congress.

 

[aps]

He is starting to remind of the Anthony Robbins and other motivational speakers who talk really well but in the end you scratch your head thinking "what did they say in all that". Fox and Friends had two interesting clips this morning. One from thier show last week where he was pretty adamant about he was not running for President in 2008 had no plans and was not even thinking about it. Then the clips from yesterday on MtP where he said he was thinking about it. He'd better learn that what he says it forever in the books and you can't flip-flop around and be successful.

I disagree with that. My gosh, I didn't want to have kids several years ago. I changed my mind recently. I entered college with the thought that I would graduate with a chemical engineering degree. I changed my major in college when I realized that chemical engineering was not for me. Does that mean I am a flip-flopper? There is nothing wrong with people changing their minds. It is human nature, and someone who refuses to change their mind isn't someone I respect. I see nothing wrong with him changing his mind, as long as he doesn't lie about it. Here's what he said:

SEN. OBAMA: Well, the—that was how I was thinking at that time. And, and, you know, I don’t want to be coy about this, given the responses that I’ve been getting over the last several months, I have thought about the possibility. But I have not thought it—about it with the seriousness and depth that I think is required. My main focus right now is in the ‘06 and making sure that we retake the Congress. After oh—after November 7, I’ll sit down and, and consider, and if at some point, I change my mind, I will make a public announcement and everybody will be able to go at me.

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[Stinger]

I disagree with that. My gosh, I didn't want to have kids several years ago. I changed my mind recently. I entered college with the thought that I would graduate with a chemical engineering degree. I changed my major in college when I realized that chemical engineering was not for me. Does that mean I am a flip-flopper? There is nothing wrong with people changing their minds. It is human nature, and someone who refuses to change their mind isn't someone I respect. I see nothing wrong with him changing his mind, as long as he doesn't lie about it. Here's what he said:

We're not talking about decissions over long periods of time. We're talking one week say no he has not even thought about it and the next saying he has thought about it.

MR. RUSSERT: But it’s fair to say you’re thinking about running for president in 2008?SEN. OBAMA: It’s fair, yes.
MR. RUSSERT: And so when you said to me in January, “I will not,” that statement is no longer operative.
SEN. OBAMA: The—I would say that I am still at the point where I have not made a decision to, to pursue higher office, but it is true that I have thought about it over the last several months.
MR. RUSSERT: So, it sounds as if the door has opened a bit.
SEN. OBAMA: A bit.

As Fox and Friend noted the week before on thier show he said he wasn't even thinking about it.

 

[Kandahar]

He is starting to remind of the Anthony Robbins and other motivational speakers who talk really well but in the end you scratch your head thinking "what did they say in all that". Fox and Friends had two interesting clips this morning. One from thier show last week where he was pretty adamant about he was not running for President in 2008 had no plans and was not even thinking about it. Then the clips from yesterday on MtP where he said he was thinking about it. He'd better learn that what he says it forever in the books and you can't flip-flop around and be successful.

Actually you can. A lot of presidents had previously decided they weren't running and changed their minds. Bill Clinton promised he would serve his full term when he ran for governor of Arkansas. And who can forget the "You won't have Nixon to kick around anymore" speech?

Well he better review the debate that went on about the Senate censuring a President during the Clinton impeachment. The congress has no business doing any such thing and more than the President has any business issuing an executive order censuring the congress.

Sure they do. Censures are non-binding resolutions. Congress can assert its collective opinion about whatever the hell it wants to.

 

[aps]

We're not talking about decissions over long periods of time. We're talking one week say no he has not even thought about it and the next saying he has thought about it.

MR. RUSSERT: But it’s fair to say you’re thinking about running for president in 2008?SEN. OBAMA: It’s fair, yes.
MR. RUSSERT: And so when you said to me in January, “I will not,” that statement is no longer operative.
SEN. OBAMA: The—I would say that I am still at the point where I have not made a decision to, to pursue higher office, but it is true that I have thought about it over the last several months.
MR. RUSSERT: So, it sounds as if the door has opened a bit.
SEN. OBAMA: A bit.

As Fox and Friend noted the week before on thier show he said he wasn't even thinking about it.

Are you telling that he changed his mind in a matter of days? When Russert interviewed him, it occurred in January 2006. We are in October 2006--10 months later. Honestly, it doesn't matter when he said he wasn't running. SOmething has happened in between that has caused him to change his mind. If you and Fox have a problem with that, I feel sorry for you.

In reading through the transcript, I realize that while the videotape was noted to be dated January 2006, Russert is referring to a conversation they had in November 2004--2 years ago. By the way, I changed my major after my sophomore year in college--coincidentally, a period of 2 years.

 

[Stinger]

Actually you can. A lot of presidents had previously decided they weren't running and changed their minds. Bill Clinton promised he would serve his full term when he ran for governor of Arkansas.

:rofl and you can't be serious.

And who can forget the "You won't have Nixon to kick around anymore" speech?

And that was years later not a week.

Sure they do. Censures are non-binding resolutions. Congress can assert its collective opinion about whatever the hell it wants to.

No they don't and that is one reason the desperate attempts by the Dems to censure Clinton died a quick death. Censure is an internal action against thier own. It would set a dangerous principle. It is not for the congress to pass such judgements against another branch of government just as it is not for the President to sign an official order chastizing or condemning the congress. The constitution spells out quite clearly the only actions the Congress is allowed to take against either of the other two branches of government.

 

[erasamus snoggle]

Jack Kennedy didn't win in 58. Joe Sr. did. :mrgreen:

The election to which you refer took place in 1960. In '58, the sitting President was Dwight D. Eisenhower, his vice president was none other than Richard M. Nixon

 

[Iriemon]

I wouldn't count Obama out if he decides to run. Lack of experience has not been a huge deficiency in American politics -- one of our greatest presidents was from Illinois and had little experience when he was elected in 1860. It can be a plus -- Obama does not have the political baggage of Clinton or Kerry, for example.

He has name recognition. He is a charasmatic speaker -- I thought his address to the Dem convention in 2004 was phenonemal. He is thoughtful, well spoken and intellegent -- Columbia undergrad and Harvard Law; and you don't get to be president of the Harvard Law Review without having something on the ball. He engenders rabid support among his followers.

I'll withhold judgement until I learn more about his positions, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him among the front runners in '08.

 

[Kandahar]

I wouldn't count Obama out if he decides to run. Lack of experience has not been a huge deficiency in American politics -- one of our greatest presidents was from Illinois and had little experience when he was elected in 1860. It can be a plus -- Obama does not have the political baggage of Clinton or Kerry, for example.

He has name recognition. He is a charasmatic speaker -- I thought his address to the Dem convention in 2004 was phenonemal. He is thoughtful, well spoken and intellegent -- Columbia undergrad and Harvard Law; and you don't get to be president of the Harvard Law Review without having something on the ball. He engenders rabid support among his followers.

I'll withhold judgement until I learn more about his positions, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him among the front runners in '08.

I agree. There will most definitely be an anti-Hillary candidate, and with Mark Warner out of the way, Obama seems like the most likely choice. He isn't considered a "loser" like Al Gore or John Edwards, and he's obviously more electable than someone like Russ Feingold.