Senate GOP tries one last time to repeal Obamacare

[Cardinal]

So this ****ing thing is back.

Obamacare repeal is on the brink of coming back from the dead.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and his leadership team are seriously considering voting on a bill that would scale back the federal government’s role in the health care system and instead provide block grants to states, congressional and Trump administration sources said.


It would be a last-ditch attempt to repeal Obamacare before the GOP’s power to pass health care legislation through a party-line vote in the Senate expires on Sept. 30.


No final decision has been made, but the GOP leader has told his caucus that if the bill written by Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Bill Cassidy (R-La.) has the support of at least 50 of the 52 GOP senators, he will bring it to the floor, Graham and Cassidy say. That would give Republicans one more crack at repealing the Affordable Care Act, a longtime party pledge

Senate GOP tries one last time to repeal Obamacare - POLITICO

The CBO score isn't in yet, but as it will still eliminate the mandates and end medicaid expansion (thus resulting in an additional 30 million uninsured), eliminate the ten essential health benefits, destabilize the individual health markets as well as gut protections for prexisting conditions, there's little reason to think the CBO will be any kinder to this bill.

Also:

Like the earlier version of the Cassidy-Graham plan, the revised plan would disproportionately harm certain states. The block grant would not only cut overall funding for the Medicaid expansion and marketplace subsidies but also, starting in 2021, redistribute the reduced federal funding across states, based on their share of low-income residents rather than their actual spending needs. In general, over time, the plan would punish states that have adopted the Medicaid expansion or been more successful at enrolling low- and moderate-income people in marketplace coverage under the ACA. It would impose less damaging cuts, or even raise funding initially, for states that have rejected the Medicaid expansion or enrolled few low-income residents in marketplace coverage. (These states would still see large cuts in the long run and during recessions or when faced with other anticipated increases in health care costs or need.)

https://www.cbpp.org/research/healt...y-graham-plan-would-add-millions-to-uninsured

So we all have a reason to hate the month of September now.

 

[Jetboogieman]

The CBO score isn't in yet, but as it will still eliminate the mandates and end medicaid expansion (thus resulting in an additional 30 million uninsured), eliminate the ten essential health benefits, destabilize the individual health markets as well as gut protections for prexisting conditions, there's little reason to think the CBO will be any kinder to this bill.

You're missing the point here.

The real benefit of this bill is that Trump will get to say he accomplished something that he had little to do with and demonstrably showed he doesn't understand and that, that's the real win here and something you're just not appreciating enough.

 

[Mycroft]

Well, cool...it's obvious the GOP Elites got Trump's message. But I'm not convinced.

I'll keep an open mind, but my prediction is that some Senator...maybe McCain again...will torpedo the thing. Then the other Senators...like Flake...can say, "We tried...we REALLY tried. It's not OUR fault." At the end of the day, no change...the lobbyists (and the money men behind them) are happy and keep the funds flowing.

The only ones who lose out are the American people.

 

[JasperL]

Well, cool...it's obvious the GOP Elites got Trump's message. But I'm not convinced.

I'll keep an open mind, but my prediction is that some Senator...maybe McCain again...will torpedo the thing. Then the other Senators...like Flake...can say, "We tried...we REALLY tried. It's not OUR fault." At the end of the day, no change...the lobbyists (and the money men behind them) are happy and keep the funds flowing.

The only ones who lose out are the American people.

Well, if they get 'repeal' passed, lots of American people, likely 10s of millions, many of whom voted for Trump, will also lose, which is why passing it will be tough. The last attempt was slightly less popular than STDs.

 

[Cardinal]

Well, if they get 'repeal' passed, lots of American people, likely 10s of millions, many of whom voted for Trump, will also lose, which is why passing it will be tough. The last attempt was slightly less popular than STDs.

What's different is that this time getting people to pay attention is bizarrely difficult. They just need one more yes vote and it's done, and they've still got over a week to pull it off.

 

[Fenton]

Well, if they get 'repeal' passed, lots of American people, likely 10s of millions, many of whom voted for Trump, will also lose, which is why passing it will be tough. The last attempt was slightly less popular than STDs.

Hmmm..that doesn't sound right .Over the last 7 years the Democrats have lost near a thousand seats at the State level, 14 Governors, the House majority and the Senate majority and the Presidency and the ACA was a large part of why.

Trump ran on repealing it, and won, so Im sure Trump supporters will be just fine with its repeal, as will everyone else that's been adversely affected this disastrous law

 

[vegas giants]

Hmmm..that doesn't sound right .Over the last 7 years the Democrats have lost near a thousand seats at the State level, 14 Governors, the House majority and the Senate majority and the Presidency and the ACA was a large part of why.

Trump ran on repealing it, and won, so Im sure Trump supporters will be just fine with its repeal, as will everyone else that's been adversely affected this disastrous law

And yet it remains the law of the land

 

[JasperL]

Hmmm..that doesn't sound right .Over the last 7 years the Democrats have lost near a thousand seats at the State level, 14 Governors, the House majority and the Senate majority and the Presidency and the ACA was a large part of why.

Trump ran on repealing it, and won, so Im sure Trump supporters will be just fine with its repeal, as will everyone else that's been adversely affected this disastrous law

Surprise, Fenton repeating some stats about Democrats losing seats for the 891st time in the past few months!

FWIW, Trump ran on cutting nothing from Medicaid, Medicare and SS, was proud to be the only GOPer in the race to make that pledge, and then he repeatedly supported universal healthcare. So, no, he didn't run on whatever POS the Senate will barf up as a replace that will 1) Cut $100s of billions from Medicaid, and 2) increase the number of uninsured.

 

[Deuce]

Hmmm..that doesn't sound right .Over the last 7 years the Democrats have lost near a thousand seats at the State level, 14 Governors, the House majority and the Senate majority and the Presidency and the ACA was a large part of why.

Trump ran on repealing it, and won, so Im sure Trump supporters will be just fine with its repeal, as will everyone else that's been adversely affected this disastrous law

Is that why all of the ACA repeal bills have polled under 20% approval? :lamo

 

[MrPeanut]

Hmmm..that doesn't sound right .Over the last 7 years the Democrats have lost near a thousand seats at the State level, 14 Governors, the House majority and the Senate majority and the Presidency and the ACA was a large part of why.

Trump ran on repealing it, and won, so Im sure Trump supporters will be just fine with its repeal, as will everyone else that's been adversely affected this disastrous law

I think you're overestimating how many people actually hated the ACA vs how many people hated "Obamacare". Expanded Medicaid has benefited a ton of Trump supporters. The Obama name is a big reason why a lot of people hated it.

 

[Fenton]

I think you're overestimating how many people actually hated the ACA vs how many people hated "Obamacare". Expanded Medicaid has benefited a ton of Trump supporters. The Obama name is a big reason why a lot of people hated it.

And youre underestimating the American voter I see.
Believe it or not the average voter is sophisticated enough to vet legislation objectively regardless of whats its called.

Voters rejected ObamaCare because it for one didnt make health insurance more affordable or healthcare more accessible for millions of Americans and their families. On the contrary, it hit Middleclass Americans the hardest as more and more of ther discretionary income went towards insurance policies with sky high deductibles.

Voters rejected it because it didnt allow people to keep their Dr or insurance as was promised, and it led to huge premium and deductible spikes that made buying a policy on the exchanges pointless.

Its wasnt actually a " free market solution", it was the Govt takeover and central planning of the US health insurance industry

Voters rejected it because Govt mandates on what Insurers could sell drove up cost on small bussineses that prior to the ACA provided insurance for their employees. Those emplyees were tossed out to fend for themselves on the exchanges.

It led to massive amouts of waste as states blew through hundreds of millions of dollars setting up exchanges that never worked and on the exchanges that did work, a disporortionate amount of older sicker people led to insurers bailing out leaving 1/3 of US Counties with only one provider.

Its risk corridors went bankrupt, its Co-ops failed and its CBO projections for the number of people buying policies on the exchanges by 2016 were off by 12 million making its core cost shifting mechanism useless.

It is a total failure in every way that matters and the idea that a law that led to staggering Democrat losses over the last 7 years all the sudden is popular again is laughable.



They rejected it because in every concievable way it was a failure.

From the Co-ops failing, to the banlrupt risk corridors to Insurers bailing out of the exchanges

 

[Fenton]

Is that why all of the ACA repeal bills have polled under 20% approval? :lamo

Weird, a law that led to staggering Democrat losses over the last 7 years sudddenly for no apparent reason is a success and popular.

Whats changed ? Premiums and deductibles are still rising, and more and more Counties are down to only one provider leaving people with only one choice for a provider.

Does this mean Democrats can stop pretending it doesnt exist like they did in the last 3 election cycles in their run up for re-election and brag about its greatness ?

 

[Superfly]

Trump ran on repealing it, and won, so Im sure Trump supporters will be just fine with its repeal, as will everyone else that's been adversely affected this disastrous law

You are assuming that millions of people who voted for Trump paid any attention to what he said past "get rid of the brown people." People have been voting against their better interests for years. They were so worried with getting those "Messicans" out of the country that they didn't realize they were cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

 

[Superfly]

I think you're overestimating how many people actually hated the ACA vs how many people hated "Obamacare". Expanded Medicaid has benefited a ton of Trump supporters. The Obama name is a big reason why a lot of people hated it.

^^ This.

 

[Nickyjo]

^^ This.

My point exactly... the first three syllables of Obamacare made it unpopular with conservatives. But let's face it: we already have national health care, we just limit it to old farts like me, the poor who have Medicaid, and veterans who benefit from the communist system that is the VA. Why not grow up, face the fact that probably a third of the country benefits from something like socialized medicine and put in place a version of the Bernie bill. The rest of the developed world has it after all, maybe we could learn something from them, what to avoid, what to include. Sorry, shame on me, I forgot that we have nothing to learn from other countries.

 

[Hawkeye10]

My point exactly... the first three syllables of Obamacare made it unpopular with conservatives. But let's face it: we already have national health care, we just limit it to old farts like me, the poor who have Medicaid, and veterans who benefit from the communist system that is the VA. Why not grow up, face the fact that probably a third of the country benefits from something like socialized medicine and put in place a version of the Bernie bill. The rest of the developed world has it after all, maybe we could learn something from them, what to avoid, what to include. Sorry, shame on me, I forgot that we have nothing to learn from other countries.

Was PRICK EXTRAORDINAIRE OBAMA not aware of this and thus did not think to give it a name that would better insure its survival or did he know but not care,.....he wanted his celeb moment and if it pissed off wrong thinkers then all the better?

Obviously you know my opinion.

 

[Superfly]

My point exactly... the first three syllables of Obamacare made it unpopular with conservatives. But let's face it: we already have national health care, we just limit it to old farts like me, the poor who have Medicaid, and veterans who benefit from the communist system that is the VA. Why not grow up, face the fact that probably a third of the country benefits from something like socialized medicine and put in place a version of the Bernie bill. The rest of the developed world has it after all, maybe we could learn something from them, what to avoid, what to include. Sorry, shame on me, I forgot that we have nothing to learn from other countries.

I am considered a recipient of "government insurance." My husband is a 100% service-connected disabled vet. As a result of that terrible, awful government insurance, my family and I are covered for $38 a month (for all 3) with a $12 copay, and most free prescriptions. This insurance (Tricare Prime) is not a result of his disability, but a result of his service. Scare tactics are doing nothing but hurting people who could use the help.

Obamacare had problems - granted. But 12 million+ more people were able to see a doctor than would have been able to otherwise.

Fix the problems - don't flush the whole thing down the drain.

 

[Superfly]

Was PRICK EXTRAORDINAIRE OBAMA not aware of this and thus did not think to give it a name that would better insure its survival or did he know but not care,.....he wanted his celeb moment and if it pissed off wrong thinkers then all the better?

Obviously you know my opinion.

Oh my goodness. You do realize, of course, that Obamacare was a derogatory term given to the "Affordable Care Act?" Obama didn't come up with that on his own. Naysayers gave the ACA that name.

:doh

 

[Hawkeye10]

I am considered a recipient of "government insurance." My husband is a 100% service-connected disabled vet. As a result of that terrible, awful government insurance, my family and I are covered for $38 a month (for all 3) with a $12 copay, and most free prescriptions. This insurance (Tricare Prime) is not a result of his disability, but a result of his service. Scare tactics are doing nothing but hurting people who could use the help.

Obamacare had problems - granted. But 12 million+ more people were able to see a doctor than would have been able to otherwise.

Fix the problems - don't flush the whole thing down the drain.

Obama tried to play it off like that but of course it was a well known lie.......there were huge charity care programs and government also pushed money to treat those without insurance.....they had access, sometimes very good access, but it was stigmatized and Obama did not like that.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Oh my goodness. You do realize, of course, that Obamacare was a derogatory term given to the "Affordable Care Act?" Obama didn't come up with that on his own. Naysayers gave the ACA that name.

:doh

Do you have a quote of Obama saying something like "For the love of God dont call it ObamaCare, that is really bad name, this is not about me"?

 

[Hawkeye10]

Oh my goodness. You do realize, of course, that Obamacare was a derogatory term given to the "Affordable Care Act?" Obama didn't come up with that on his own. Naysayers gave the ACA that name.

:doh

BTW I am feeling generous tonight so a contribution towards your education:

Who Coined 'Obamacare'?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/who-coined-obamacare/335745/

 

[Chomsky]

Obama tried to play it off like that but of course it was a well known lie.......there were huge charity care programs and government also pushed money to treat those without insurance.....they had access, sometimes very good access, but it was stigmatized and Obama did not like that.

Sounds like revisionist history ...

 

[Chomsky]

Was PRICK EXTRAORDINAIRE OBAMA not aware of this and thus did not think to give it a name that would better insure its survival or did he know but not care,.....he wanted his celeb moment and if it pissed off wrong thinkers then all the better?

Obviously you know my opinion.

BTW I am feeling generous tonight so a contribution towards your education:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/who-coined-obamacare/335745/

There's nothing in your link supporting your earlier statement.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Sounds like revisionist history ...

What that Obama did not sell this by claiming that by getting people insurance we were getting them healthcare, healthcare that they did not currently have?

Or that the American people were not smart enough to know that they were being lied to?

Which part is wrong?

?

 

[Hawkeye10]

There's nothing in your link supporting your earlier statement.

You are really with it tonight!


I did not want the Fly to labor under being wrong about the haters coming up with the name. Obama liked it, liked it a lot, he said sure, call it ObamaCare, thats just FINE AND DANDY!



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