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WICHITA, Kan. (AP) — Dr. George Tiller, one of the nation's few providers of late-term abortions despite decades of protests and attacks, was shot and killed Sunday in a church where he was serving as an usher.
The gunman fled, but a 51-year-old suspect was detained some 170 miles away in suburban Kansas City three hours after the shooting, Wichita Deputy Police Chief Tom Stolz said.
Although Stolz refused to release the man's name, Johnson County sheriff's spokesman Tom Erickson identified the detained man as Scott Roeder. He has not been charged in the slaying and was expected to be taken to Wichita for questioning.
In April 1996, Roeder was arrested in Topeka after Shawnee County sheriff's deputies stopped him for not having a proper license plate. In his car, officers said they found ammunition, a blasting cap, a fuse cord, a one-pound can of gunpowder and two 9-volt batteries, with one connected to a switch that could have been used to trigger a bomb.
Scott Roeder Says:
May 19th, 2007 at 4:34 pm
Bleass everyone for attending and praying in May to bring justice to Tiller and the closing of his death camp.
Sometime soon, would it be feasible to organize as many people as possible to attend Tillers church (inside, not just outside) to have much more of a presence and possibly ask questions of the Pastor, Deacons, Elders and members while there? Doesn’t seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller.
Those who know Roeder said he believed that killing abortion doctors was an act of justifiable homicide.
"I know that he believed in justifiable homicide," said Regina Dinwiddie, a Kansas City anti-abortion activist who made headlines in 1995 when she was ordered by a federal judge to stop using a bullhorn within 500 feet of any abortion clinic. "I know he very strongly believed that abortion was murder and that you ought to defend the little ones, both born and unborn."
Dinwiddie said she met Roeder while picketing outside the Kansas City Planned Parenthood clinic in 1996. Roeder walked into the clinic and asked to see the doctor, Robert Crist, she said.
"Robert Crist came out and he stared at him for approximately 45 seconds," she said. "Then he (Roeder) said, 'I've seen you now.' Then he turned his back and walked away, and they were scared to death. On the way out, he gave me a great big hug and he said, 'I've seen you in the newspaper. I just love what you're doing.'^"
Roeder also was a subscriber to Prayer and Action News, a magazine that advocated the justifiable homicide position, said publisher Dave Leach, an anti-abortion activist from Des Moines, Iowa.
"I met him once, and he wrote to me a few times," Leach said. "I remember that he was sympathetic to our cause, but I don't remember any details."
Leach said he met Roeder in Topeka when he went there to visit Shelley Shannon, who was in prison for the 1993 shooting of Tiller.
"He told me about a lot of conspiracy stuff and showed me how to take the magnetic strip out of a five-dollar bill," Leach said. "He said it was to keep the government from tracking your money."
Roeder, who in the 1990s was a manufacturing assemblyman, also was involved in the "Freemen" movement.
"Freemen" was a term adopted by those who claimed sovereignty from government jurisdiction and operated under their own legal system, which they called common-law courts. Adherents declared themselves exempt from laws, regulations and taxes and often filed liens against judges, prosecutors and others, claiming that money was owed to them as compensation.
Bleass everyone for attending and praying in May to bring justice to Tiller and the closing of his death camp.
Sometime soon, would it be feasible to organize as many people as possible to attend Tillers church (inside, not just outside) to have much more of a presence and possibly ask questions of the Pastor, Deacons, Elders and members while there? Doesn’t seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller.
Why is Operation Rescue not designated a terrorist organization?
Indeed, but it sounds like he had a lot of enablers.
Perhaps charging them with aiding and abetting might reduce these killings.
What about Organization Rescue even remotely resembles a terrorist organization?
Let's not go overboard here.
First of all it's bitter gun toting religious folks. Slap on the beard and the regional hat and you're in downtown terroristvilleWhat about Organization Rescue even remotely resembles a terrorist organization?
What about Organization Rescue even remotely resembles a terrorist organization?
Let's not go overboard here.
Aiding and abetting requires specific knowledge, which there is no evidence that anyone else had.
Actually, reading a bit on "operation Save America" as it is now known, and while it may not actually be a terrorist organization, it is possibly the worst group in America. Foul, vile and offensive is the only way to describe them.
“He died the way he lived.” “His was a bloody death.” Rev Rusty Thomas, Operation Save America (OSA) Someone “chose” to end George Tiller’s life this morning, in his church.
Beware! The one who murdered George Tiller became exactly what George Tiller was – a murderer.
We will not be silenced nor will we stop opposing the murder of “any” person - born or unborn. If I were at Reformation Lutheran Church this morning my duty would be to stand in between the shooter and George Tiller. The love of Christ compels us!
Jesus, I had no idea this kind of sickness was still out there.
From the Operation Save American website:
5 paragraphs of that, then finally:
After all the rhetoric that came before, I doubt it.
Tiller's website advertising his clinic is down now. You can't link to it anymore. But in many many conversations about him on this board we did link to it. It was a pretty sick website too.
I have to call B.S.
Using web archive, here is his complete website from last year,
I dont see a "sick website" just a doctor listing information and his legal services:
Late Term Abortion Care - Women's Health Care Services, P.A.
Bill summarized in a heartfelt Talking Points Memo on Friday, November 10th: "If we as a society allow an undefined mental health exception in late-term abortions, then babies can be killed for almost any reason... This is the kind of stuff that happened in Mao's China and Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Soviet Union... If we allow this, America will no longer be a noble nation... If we allow Dr. George Tiller and his acolytes to continue, we can no longer pass judgment on any behavior by anybody."
Why is Operation Rescue not designated a terrorist organization?
Suspect supported killing abortion providers, friends say | McClatchy
Aaaaaand this:
What a ****ing nutjob.
What about Organization Rescue even remotely resembles a terrorist organization?
Let's not go overboard here.
Aiding and abetting requires specific knowledge, which there is no evidence that anyone else had.
It's not a very remote concept. The doctor's killer had the phone # of a VP, or similar, of Operation Rescue. He had a close relationship with them. They, and some of those nutjobs at Fixed Noise, rabble rouse idiots like this to kill.
Anybody who is happy that this doctor got killed, and says he deserved what he got, can now identify with the terrorists who flew jets into the WTC, Pentagon and PA. field. The only difference is how far you and they would go. The thinking is the same, that anything goes in the name of what YOU believe is right and just.
Did somebody call:lol::lol::2wave:This is ridiculous. We could have a poster on here go crazier than a **** house rat and what, that would be like our fault??
This is ridiculous.
The letter arrived on a Tuesday in march. "Dear Sara," it read. "It is our information that you are currently an employee of Women's Health Care Services, a facility that provides abortions." It went on to suggest that Sara Phares, an administrative assistant at the clinic in Wichita, Kansas, quit her job and repent her sins. "Please know that we are praying for you," the letter concluded. It was signed "Troy Newman, President, Operation Rescue West." A week later, hundreds of Phares' neighbors received an anonymous postcard of a mangled fetus. This is abortion! read the big block letters. "Your neighbor Sara Phares participates in killing babies like these." The postcard implored them to call Phares, whose phone number and address were provided, and voice their opposition to her work at the clinic. Another card soon followed. It referred to Phares as "Miss I Help to Kill Little Babies" and suggested, in an erratic typeface that recalled a kidnapper's ransom note, that neighbors "beg her to quit, pretty please." The third postcard dispensed entirely with pleasantries: "Sara Phares is not to be trusted! Tell her to get a life!"
After they denounce Roeder's actions you want to label them terrorists. ****ing grow up.Why is Operation Rescue not designated a terrorist organization?
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