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Scientists Take a Stand Against "Woke Math"

It would depend on a few factors, not the least of which would be the age of the students. I will say that I'm generally a fan of demanding a lot of students and challenging them rather than coddling them.

Not a teacher then?

Let's try Order of Operations:

1 + 2 + 3 x 4

There are two wrong answers and 1 right answer. 24, 21 and 15. Actually, by valid rearrangements you can also get 18 (wrong.) And by invalid rearrangement, four more.

If the kid gives anything other than the right answer, their method is wrong. But you should be trying to instruct their method, not just saying "no dumbass, I challenge you to learn it already"

So the working you want to see and will give FULL marks for, is:

1 + 2 + 3 x 4
= 1 + 2 + (3 x 4)
= 1 + 2 + 12
= 15

If they do the second step as: (1 + 2 + 3) x 4 then you can see, and can point out, where the fault in their method is.
And btw, if this calculation was marked out of 4, I would give them 1 just for grouping numbers with brackets.
If it was marked out of 2, I would have to give them 0.

Showing working, for some students, is itself a challenge. They're that sure they will get EVERY STEP wrong.
 
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I know, the part after the "than" in that sentence kinda ruins all the outrage you want people to feel, but me personally, I prefer actual facts and honest arguments. It is what I was taught in school...

I learned in school "the teacher is always right, unless you visit the staffroom and ask them again".

It didn't really equip me for adult life though. "Let the Wookie win" did.
 
When you respond to getting caught telling a lie is to repeat the lie, even though it has been documented that it is in fact a lie, and to use a quote out of context. Here, let me give the full quote, so people can see how you dishonestly twisted facts:



I know, the part after the "than" in that sentence kinda ruins all the outrage you want people to feel, but me personally, I prefer actual facts and honest arguments. It is what I was taught in school...
Laying white supremacy on math pedagogy is just too big a stretch, imo. You're reading me all wrong; I support teaching about systemic racism and how history affects the present, but since you're not even trying to listen to what I'm saying, I'm not bothering with it anymore.
 
Laying white supremacy on math pedagogy is just too big a stretch, imo. You're reading me all wrong; I support teaching about systemic racism and how history affects the present, but since you're not even trying to listen to what I'm saying, I'm not bothering with it anymore.

The "real world" examples used in maths class (and maths exams) were always so abstracted from real life that it was discouraging. Like if I went fishing with Ray and Charlie and all three of us caught the same fish, how would we divide it fairly? Or how high is that tree, using the tape measure and protractor I have handy and the rules of trigonometry?

I can see the point of relating maths to real situations. But at the time it seemed desperately inventive by the curricular authors. Any racist or sexist overtones (like who the average student might go fishing with ...) should be pretty easy to flush out.
 
i do not think that people want to drive their cars on bridges that were engineered by students of woke math.
 
Laying white supremacy on math pedagogy is just too big a stretch, imo. You're reading me all wrong; I support teaching about systemic racism and how history affects the present, but since you're not even trying to listen to what I'm saying, I'm not bothering with it anymore.
I will try and respond to this more completely later, but right now I have to get some sleep. Short answer: math is probably the biggest subject for building step by step, addition is needed for multiplication needed for fractions needed for algebra needed for trig needed for calculus needed for that nightmare that is differential equations. I found out in college how quickly it could snowball when you did not understand earlier steps in the process. As I understand it, what they are trying to do, or address anyway(and CA should get props in fact for how they are handling the process, making changes based on feedback and extending the timeline to get more feedback on the changes, that is exactly how educational changes should be done) is that black kids tend to come from poorer homes. Poorer homes are less likely to value education, support kids in learning, less likely to have internet access even. Poorer students tend to have been to poorer schools earlier in their education process. So what you get is a group of predominantly black kids well behind the other kids, but who still need an education. I agree the messaging could be better, but that is a very real problem.
 
The "real world" examples used in maths class (and maths exams) were always so abstracted from real life that it was discouraging. Like if I went fishing with Ray and Charlie and all three of us caught the same fish, how would we divide it fairly? Or how high is that tree, using the tape measure and protractor I have handy and the rules of trigonometry?

I can see the point of relating maths to real situations. But at the time it seemed desperately inventive by the curricular authors. Any racist or sexist overtones (like who the average student might go fishing with ...) should be pretty easy to flush out.
Sometimes, a real teachable moment comes up when a question gets asked or a problem is mentioned, and you can happily show how to arrive at an answer. Those are the best. Yeah, I remember the dreaded question, "a train leaves the station at 6 pm travelling northbound at 70 mph and 180 miles away, a train leaves traveling southbound at 55 mph...." Or something like that. Only a train conductor would be interested in that.
 
The "progression" of maths is a joy to the good students, but an absolute horror to the bad students. They all hang together to maybe year 4 and after that it's just divisive.

It is tragic that the best student in English is not considered the smartest student overall. Unless they're also near the top in Maths. Which of those skills is more likely to serve them later in life? Or later in school itself?

Students should not be allowed to bail out of English. Maybe if they take Spanish or Mandarin Chinese, but still I'm a bigot about this. English is required for any school where instruction is in English.

The progression of maths is why maths is so divisive. Redress makes good points about the home environment. Any teacher would be aware of the "hind start" and the drag through all of the school years, that poorly educated parents, or parents who managed a good-enough education but still resent the school system and are distrustful of it, hold their own children back by. In my one year of being a terrible Teacher's Aide, I dealt with disabled children whose own worse enemies in education, were their own parents.
 
Sometimes, a real teachable moment comes up when a question gets asked or a problem is mentioned, and you can happily show how to arrive at an answer. Those are the best. Yeah, I remember the dreaded question, "a train leaves the station at 6 pm travelling northbound at 70 mph and 180 miles away, a train leaves traveling southbound at 55 mph...." Or something like that. Only a train conductor would be interested in that.

It's a parallel equations problem I think. You introduce a new variable (where, or when, the trains meet). But really nobody should be interested in that, computers do it with vastly more reliability.

I'm thinking of a mini-unit on tesselations I did in school. It was entirely useless unless one was planning on building a geodesic dome. So I was living with these hippies, and they wanted to build a geodesic dome. I got some books from the library, but the more and more I got into it the less interested the hippies were. Eventually they just told me to shut up about geodesic domes. Soooo ... to someone with a more engineering frame of mind it could have been inspirational. They might have moved towards metallurgy (crystals are very important there) or architecture.

I think my senior maths teacher was responsive to the interest level of the class, and tried to offer up lots of potentially interesting stuff. If I really wanted more statistical analysis I should have said so, hmm? Instead of joining the chorus of groans. I really had no idea what would interest me later (let alone be "useful") when I was 16. Still, teachers should do that more.
 
I will try and respond to this more completely later, but right now I have to get some sleep. Short answer: math is probably the biggest subject for building step by step, addition is needed for multiplication needed for fractions needed for algebra needed for trig needed for calculus needed for that nightmare that is differential equations. I found out in college how quickly it could snowball when you did not understand earlier steps in the process. As I understand it, what they are trying to do, or address anyway(and CA should get props in fact for how they are handling the process, making changes based on feedback and extending the timeline to get more feedback on the changes, that is exactly how educational changes should be done) is that black kids tend to come from poorer homes. Poorer homes are less likely to value education, support kids in learning, less likely to have internet access even. Poorer students tend to have been to poorer schools earlier in their education process. So what you get is a group of predominantly black kids well behind the other kids, but who still need an education. I agree the messaging could be better, but that is a very real problem.
I get that. I taught at Job Corps, had 18 and 20 year old students reading at 3rd or 4th grade level, didn't know a comma from a hole in the ground. Forget apostrophes or spelling. Most of them were black kids from inner city Boston, Lawrence, etc. But I taught 'em how to write by writing, started a school paper that they wrote. Sent emails to legislators, to victims of mass shootings. All their ideas, their words, and yup, I taught them how to put it in standard English so their written ideas would be respected. I suppose that's racist. I don't care. They deserve to know how to play the game.
 
School should be learning how to play the game. Not just trades and academia. Not just filling out forms without help. Literacy is the key skill from which all others can be learned.
 
How wack, or woke, can you get. Math is racist. LOL!!!! Another example of how insane the left is.
Learning math is now "acting white" just like using proper English and getting good grades.
 
The idea of not making our mistakes public is a good one
Respectfully disagree. Publicly working through mistakes helps the whole class. Not stigmatizing making mistakes is the solution IMO.
 



One thing not mentioned in the article are the backwards incentives facing teacher's unions. It's much, much easier to teach this woke crap than it is to teach kids math.
There are many issues bundled up in this.
This traces back to the work of Virginia Collier and other writings of Noam Chomsky.
There would be no math without the language to describe it. There would be no science without the language to describe it or the math to measure it. A toddler does not understand anything if they don't have a word for it. We can thank language for alllowing civiliazation.
When a school has a predominantly latino or african american students they are still bound to high levels of instruction. If the students are not fluent in English, (like Eubonics in CA, or living in a Spanish speaking household ) the language barrier prevents full math instruction. This is a question of meeting the needs of students who are still learning common English.
So if a student isn't fluent in English, they may sit in front of dynamic classroom discussions about math and not recognize anything, just like the toddler that doesn't have the word for the concept.

The math ( just talking about the math and instructional plan ) they describe is nationwide with two main exceptions;
IMO it's a dumb idea to discourage "show your work" since that it a learning opportunity, say a week later, to trace back and find the mistake that led to an incorrect answer. THe other departure from common practices is just as foolish, that the right answer is not a specified goal. Teachers can reward the hard work students do, even if their answers are wrong. This works because students are motivated to get it right next time when they know they are on the right track. A good teaher turns a wrong answer into a learning event. But to say that the correct answer isn't important sends a counterproductive message.

The real problem with this is that the non political methods of math instruction are couched in terms of racism. It's not about race, they're wrong about that , it's a question of using langauge in the classroom that makes math accessible no matter what is spoken at home. (ESL instruction, again , getting abck to the research provided by Virginia Collier )

THe methods they are talking about are largely common practice nationwide. The math itself is exactly the same math it always was. And the answers are the same too. THe regrettable difference in this FRINGE educational perspective is that somehow math is political. That's the shame, the politics are the shame of this, but not the math !!!
 
Straw-man. That's not what Laffer postulated.
Well virtually all the public statements I’ve seen have been proven false over time
 
I am an engineer.

Most engineers I know are conservative.

They live in the real world.

Economics is a fundamental part of engineering.

I think your logic/reasoning is very flawed, to put it nicely.

What conclusions should be made from your comments?
 
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