Schools are making children dumb.

[Quag]

Considering neither of my parents completed high school, and never had the money to hire a tutor, I don't think homeschooling would've worked for me. Nice thought though.

Bah thats nothing. Both my parents are university grads but my mothers math teacher was a lawyer. So basically 2+2= whatever you think you can sue the other guy for.

 

[Rainman05]

Oh! You like microcontrollers too! Yeah, I can program in assembly, but I generally avoid it. I usually just write in C and then look at the disassembly view for debugging to see the individual processes being completed. I like to let the compiler do its job for the most part, as its smarter than I am. As far as FPGA's go, I've been so focused on micros in my work and education that I haven't had time for it, but I plan on getting into it very heavily.

That sucks you don't have anything in the area. I definitely don't have that problem. The Nuremberg area has a booming tech sector, you should move over here!

As far as the second quote, that's not from me.

We should hijack this thread and turn it into a thread for success stories from getting an education. I'll start:

With an education I no longer have to work excruciating hours for little pay, I can work comfortably on the stuff I'm passionate about and make a great living for my family.

#EducationSuccessStories

No, the second quote is from me, from my previous comment that you replied to . I edited it after I already posted it.

Yeah, I love microcontrollers more than FPGA too... but FPGA was pretty cool and I "clicked" with all that... it's a pretty neat mixture of both hardware and software design.

I'm slowly studying German, using duolingo and also deutschewelle courses from dw.de. I'm aiming for a goethe institute certification (ZD -Zertifikat Deutsch) by the end of the year.

But yeah, let's turn into success stories:
Due to my perseverance in learning and self-learning, I now am working in a field that is very desirable and it's a field for the future. Programming is such a huge field and an always progressing field so I always have to learn and keep up with technology, and that means that it will ALWAYS be exciting and interesting.

#EducationSuccessStories

 

[RabidAlpaca]

No, the second quote is from me, from my previous comment that you replied to . I edited it after I already posted it.

Yeah, I love microcontrollers more than FPGA too... but FPGA was pretty cool and I "clicked" with all that... it's a pretty neat mixture of both hardware and software design.

I'm slowly studying German, using duolingo and also deutschewelle courses from dw.de. I'm aiming for a goethe institute certification (ZD -Zertifikat Deutsch) by the end of the year.

But yeah, let's turn into success stories:
Due to my perseverance in learning and self-learning, I now am working in a field that is very desirable and it's a field for the future. Programming is such a huge field and an always progressing field so I always have to learn and keep up with technology, and that means that it will ALWAYS be exciting and interesting.

#EducationSuccessStories

Well the great thing is that FPGA's and micros go very much hand in hand. If you understand digital design and how a microcontroller fundamentally functions, you can use an FPGA to build your own micro! My brother is the FPGA expert, as soon as I get the time I need to catch up!

As far as tests, definitely go with the Goethe Institute, as they're the most respected institution for German testing in Germany. I had to take the TestDaF from them in order to study here. If you need any help or have any questions feel free to shoot me a message.

 

[blarg]

Schools, public schools, are here to dumb our children down and rob them of their creativity .
So that they will be good obedient slaves when they are adults.and, the system is very unfair, and wants
everyone to be the same.

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abandon those crazy institutions and home school our children.

And don't be too proud if your child goes to university, there they really wil become stupid, very stupid. and very very closeminded. And people pay for that?????


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nothing close minded in that post no sir

 

[joG]

Schools, public schools, are here to dumb our children down and rob them of their creativity .
So that they will be good obedient slaves when they are adults.and, the system is very unfair, and wants
everyone to be the same.

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abandon those crazy institutions and home school our children.

And don't be too proud if your child goes to university, there they really wil become stupid, very stupid. and very very closeminded. And people pay for that?????


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I like some of the wit. I don't think I can go along with the general statement, though. I have a number of friends that are weird, fun and full of the unexpected and also went to school.

 

[DDD]

I know, but that alone doens't mean it isn't true. you know what Ghandi said about that?

First of all, I iam not against education, let that be very clear! I am against indoctrination.
And if you went to college, yes, you are indoctrinated for sure,
You have learned to think a certain way.yes you have a great job, and that's ok, and fine for you.
A lot of other people, scientist, have great jobs too, like being paid properly to poison our food, to make atomic bombs,yeaahhh
You only go to school to fit into a very very sick system, and if you come out of it you will consciously or unconsciously support
this crazy system. So, that is way you are paid very well. because you did all the 'right' thinks. So that
by now you are properly indoctrinated by the system.
I bet that if you didn't go to college and you learned on your own, you could have made much better and
innovative and creative things for sure. But people who do that, great inventions and a like, ara marginalized , because they pose a threat to this deeply sick system. There are hundreds of those people but all killed or their inventions surpressed.
(btw 'modern physics' hasn't made or helped to make any inventions!. I know a lot of people think it did, well, where is it?)

Well, it is just an (indoctrinated) thought of yours. I have studied physics and mathematics, but it was too mechanical for me.I had questions, but they weren't answered,They just couldn't do that.
And mind you, mathematics was my hobby as a child. Now I consider (conventional) mathematics, as very bad. lot of children get fobias from the way it is teached. It has nothing to do with the children, but with the way it is teached. it is a very inconvenient and dumb way to do math. and o yes, i know how to do partial differentials and tensor calculus.
But, except for some instances, it is better to get rid of the (conventional) math.

Is it because you think that science is religion and that because schools make children dumber that you are making these first year simple writing mistakes?

You may know calculus but do you know that after full stop the first letter is capitalized?

 

[Rainman05]

Well the great thing is that FPGA's and micros go very much hand in hand. If you understand digital design and how a microcontroller fundamentally functions, you can use an FPGA to build your own micro! My brother is the FPGA expert, as soon as I get the time I need to catch up!

As far as tests, definitely go with the Goethe Institute, as they're the most respected institution for German testing in Germany. I had to take the TestDaF from them in order to study here. If you need any help or have any questions feel free to shoot me a message.

Ha ha, a family of engineers. I can relate to that, my brother is also a programmer and he also works with something different, for instance, he works with java. I don't, javascript is pretty different from java. But I could learn it... I mean it's not that difficult. The cross-polenation (or is it cross-semination, w/e) of knowledge is a wonderful thing. #educationFTW
I love electronics and that's why I made some home projects... had a bit of assistance from this wonderful book: Programming your home -> automate with arduino, android and your computer by Mike Reiley. Really nice stuff there.

Yeah TestDaF is required if you want to study in Germany and the ZD doesn't give you that, at least not the B-class ZDs. But I'm looking to have it as a nice line on my CV along with my cambrdige english diploma so that I can get a job in Germany or any country that values german-speaking employees more... both financially and professionally. I have a B2 german diploma from my college but that's, you know... useless and a load of BS.

 

[DDD]

Bah thats nothing. Both my parents are university grads but my mothers math teacher was a lawyer. So basically 2+2= whatever you think you can sue the other guy for.

Was that lawyer teaching your mom math in graduate university?

 

[Quag]

Was that lawyer teaching your mom math in graduate university?

No she grew up in a small town. He was her math teacher from when she first went to school untill she went off to University.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Ha ha, a family of engineers. I can relate to that, my brother is also a programmer and he also works with something different, for instance, he works with java. I don't, javascript is pretty different from java. But I could learn it... I mean it's not that difficult. The cross-polenation (or is it cross-semination, w/e) of knowledge is a wonderful thing. #educationFTW
I love electronics and that's why I made some home projects... had a bit of assistance from this wonderful book: Programming your home -> automate with arduino, android and your computer by Mike Reiley. Really nice stuff there.

Yeah TestDaF is required if you want to study in Germany and the ZD doesn't give you that, at least not the B-class ZDs. But I'm looking to have it as a nice line on my CV along with my cambrdige english diploma so that I can get a job in Germany or any country that values german-speaking employees more... both financially and professionally. I have a B2 german diploma from my college but that's, you know... useless and a load of BS.

Sounds good man. A lot of jobs here actually value English over German. In fact, when I first started working at my current job my boss told me "I need you to do EVERYTHING you do in English, is that ok?" I almost jumped out of my chair with glee.

 

[Rainman05]

Sounds good man. A lot of jobs here actually value English over German. In fact, when I first started working at my current job my boss told me "I need you to do EVERYTHING you do in English, is that ok?" I almost jumped out of my chair with glee.

Yeah I heard that a lot of german companies look for good english speakers.

I've just turned 24 a few weeks ago, my goal is to get a German degree this year(I've been putting it off for a year now) and start learning Portugesse the next year. I would have gone for Spanish but... well, everybody learns spanish... it's not just too mainstream but it's also too... well a lot of douchebags learn it so they can sing mixed ****ty songs and I don't want to be guilty by association.

You know, technically speaking, you and I are already polyglots if you count programming languages as languages... which I do. Because let's face it, they are real languages. They have syntax, rules, you can either speak them correctly and incorrectly... the only difference is that you speak to an object. Now Tom Hanks spoke to a ball in a movie and he got millions for that... you tell me that ain't more crazy than speaking to something that actually understands you and does what you ask it (or tells you if you screwed up).

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Yeah I heard that a lot of german companies look for good english speakers.

I've just turned 24 a few weeks ago, my goal is to get a German degree this year(I've been putting it off for a year now) and start learning Portugesse the next year. I would have gone for Spanish but... well, everybody learns spanish... it's not just too mainstream but it's also too... well a lot of douchebags learn it so they can sing mixed ****ty songs and I don't want to be guilty by association.

You know, technically speaking, you and I are already polyglots if you count programming languages as languages... which I do. Because let's face it, they are real languages. They have syntax, rules, you can either speak them correctly and incorrectly... the only difference is that you speak to an object. Now Tom Hanks spoke to a ball in a movie and he got millions for that... you tell me that ain't more crazy than speaking to something that actually understands you and does what you ask it (or tells you if you screwed up).

Honestly, after you learn a bit of German, you should just stop with the foreign languages. The world speaks English, especially in the engineering/programming communities. After English, Romanian and German that you speak, learning more programming languages would be far more beneficial. I decided after German I am 100% done with foreign languages. It took me over a decade to get very comfortable with German, and I have no intention of repeating that process.

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

This is probably the first time in history that a thread got hijacked and got even better

 

[Rainman05]

Honestly, after you learn a bit of German, you should just stop with the foreign languages. The world speaks English, especially in the engineering/programming communities. After English, Romanian and German that you speak, learning more programming languages would be far more beneficial. I decided after German I am 100% done with foreign languages. It took me over a decade to get very comfortable with German, and I have no intention of repeating that process.

Yeah, I know what you mean... but I have a talent for learning foreign languages. Well... at least European ones. But you are correct, German is needed if you want to be an engineer, that's why I started studying it in college... and English is, well, English... it's everywhere.

I went to Ukraine 2 years ago and in my short time there, about 1.5 week, I mastered the alphabet and the basic phrases (it's quite a requirement since a lot of people there don't speak english, even among the youth... heck, even MTV is dubbed in ukrainian, really, Lviv is the only one who is more... open)... so much so that when I came back into the country, when I read something in Romanian spray-painted on the wall I was like "WTF is written there? It don't make no sense"... and only then did my brain switch back on to latin alphabet.
Romanian is useless really.

When I was in highschool, I had to learn French, but French is just absurd for any technical language because in technical languages you work with numbers... and the French suck at numbers. quatre-vingth for 80... common... it makes sense mathematical 4 20s, but from a dialogue and communication perspective, it's just horrid. or quatre vingt dix for 90. soixante dix for 70... soixante onze 71...it's just stupid. I tell you a series of numbers: soixante (you write down 60)-douze (you have to delete 60 and type 72). Or even worse... soixante (again, write 60)-dix(cut 60, write 70)-neuf (cut 70 write 79). So stupid...

German is also a bit derpy with the numbers. Dreiundzwanzig... 3 and 20. It makes no sense. If you have to write down numbers that are dictated to you, it's horrid as a non-german speaker, or as a poor one. Why can't it be twenty-three... it makes sense. in romanian it's also douazeci si 2; twenty and two. It's just... simpler... But still, king of derpy languages is French. It may be the language of love but that's why love isn't rational and doesn't make sense...

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Yeah, I know what you mean... but I have a talent for learning foreign languages. Well... at least European ones. But you are correct, German is needed if you want to be an engineer, that's why I started studying it in college... and English is, well, English... it's everywhere.

I went to Ukraine 2 years ago and in my short time there, about 1.5 week, I mastered the alphabet and the basic phrases (it's quite a requirement since a lot of people there don't speak english, even among the youth... heck, even MTV is dubbed in ukrainian, really, Lviv is the only one who is more... open)... so much so that when I came back into the country, when I read something in Romanian spray-painted on the wall I was like "WTF is written there? It don't make no sense"... and only then did my brain switch back on to latin alphabet.
Romanian is useless really.

When I was in highschool, I had to learn French, but French is just absurd for any technical language because in technical languages you work with numbers... and the French suck at numbers. quatre-vingth for 80... common... it makes sense mathematical 4 20s, but from a dialogue and communication perspective, it's just horrid. or quatre vingt dix for 90. soixante dix for 70... soixante onze 71...it's just stupid. I tell you a series of numbers: soixante (you write down 60)-douze (you have to delete 60 and type 72). Or even worse... soixante (again, write 60)-dix(cut 60, write 70)-neuf (cut 70 write 79). So stupid...

German is also a bit derpy with the numbers. Dreiundzwanzig... 3 and 20. It makes no sense. If you have to write down numbers that are dictated to you, it's horrid as a non-german speaker, or as a poor one. Why can't it be twenty-three... it makes sense. in romanian it's also douazeci si 2; twenty and two. It's just... simpler... But still, king of derpy languages is French. It may be the language of love but that's why love isn't rational and doesn't make sense...

Agree. German numbers are absolutely retarded. Even today I have to stop and rearrange the numbers in my mind when someone is dictating them to me.

 

[Gardener]

Schools make kids dumb and so they all flock to conspiracy theory forums.

Damn, just damn -- a conspiracy that nobody can refute!

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Schools make kids dumb and so they all flock to conspiracy theory forums.

Damn, just damn -- a conspiracy that nobody can refute!

I'm really glad this thread is in the conspiracy theory sub-forum where it belongs, situated next to countless 9/11- and moonlanding-hoax accusations.

 

[Pin dÁr]

I'm really glad this thread is in the conspiracy theory sub-forum where it belongs, situated next to countless 9/11- and moonlanding-hoax accusations.

That's strange, but proofs my point! I understand you don't believe them right? well, you don't have to, research them!
They are all real conspiracies, this whole world is full of them. But if you think you know beforehand their not true, well
is that scientific? no! Is that rational? no!

so you see, schools make people dumb! I am not saying people are dumb. Most people are geniuses. But they are made very dumb vy our educati... ehh oeps indoctrination institutes!

 

[RabidAlpaca]

That's strange, but proofs my point! I understand you don't believe them right? well, you don't have to, research them!
They are all real conspiracies, this whole world is full of them. But if you think you know beforehand their not true, well
is that scientific? no! Is that rational? no!

so you see, schools make people dumb! I am not saying people are dumb. Most people are geniuses. But they are made very dumb vy our educati... ehh oeps indoctrination institutes!

Yeah, I guess every single person that's stopped by this aberration of a thread has just been brainwashed by the system while you are a shining beacon of hope and truth in an otherwise dark world.

~

what's OP?

And do you know how he tested his inventions?

I never made one claim about the way he tested his inventions. I said he went to college, but eventually dropped out because he learned at an extremely accelerated rate, and ended up passing his professors. For you that is obviously not the case.

And to end it with a quote:

“His [Thomas Edison] method was inefficient in the extreme, for an immense ground had to be covered to get anything at all unless blind chance intervened and, at first, I was almost a sorry witness of his doings, knowing that just a little theory and calculation would have saved him 90 per cent of the labor. But he had a veritable contempt for book learning and mathematical knowledge, trusting himself entirely to his inventor's instinct and practical American sense. In view of this, the truly prodigious amount of his actual accomplishments is little short of a miracle.”

 

[NWO_Spook]

Schools, public schools, are here to dumb our children down and rob them of their creativity .
So that they will be good obedient slaves when they are adults.and, the system is very unfair, and wants
everyone to be the same....abandon those crazy institutions and home school our children....And don't be too proud if your child goes to university, there they really wil become stupid, very stupid. and very very closeminded. And people pay for that?????

You really have a penchant for drivel.

 

[DDD]

No she grew up in a small town. He was her math teacher from when she first went to school untill she went off to University.

Okay. Cause you kind of touched a sensitive topic to me over there. I think I am going to open a special thread for this.

 

[Pin dÁr]

Yeah, I guess every single person that's stopped by this aberration of a thread has just been brainwashed by the system while you are a shining beacon of hope and truth in an otherwise dark world.



I never made one claim about the way he tested his inventions. I said he went to college, but eventually dropped out because he learned at an extremely accelerated rate, and ended up passing his professors. For you that is obviously not the case.

And to end it with a quote:

why all the ridicule? You proof my point over and over again.
Even if it is in your face, you will deny it, because of your religious upbringing ( religion disguided as ''science' , man it is all a big joke, the whole 'science' thing)


Anyway I grant you some comments:

I never made one claim about the way he tested his inventions

I know but is is important none the less.

I said he went to college, but eventually dropped out because he learned at an extremely accelerated rate, and ended up passing his professors. For you that is obviously not the case

yes I know.

For you that is obviously not the case

And yessss! Another personal attack! so cheap. But, I understand. You are mocking me because I am attacking your religion!

So, ypu prove my point once more.



And again and again I will tell, you will keep atacking me and defending your religion, rather that, than to see if it even might be true.

I realy think it is too scary for you.

And you don't have to agree with what I write at all. But you don't seem to be capapable of even looking into this,

So, that proves my other point then, thanx!

 

[RabidAlpaca]

why all the ridicule? You proof my point over and over again.
Even if it is in your face, you will deny it, because of your religious upbringing ( religion disguided as ''science' , man it is all a big joke, the whole 'science' thing)


Anyway I grant you some comments:



I know but is is important none the less.



yes I know.





And yessss! Another personal attack! so cheap. But, I understand. You are mocking me because I am attacking your religion!

So, ypu prove my point once more.



And again and again I will tell, you will keep atacking me and defending your religion, rather that, than to see if it even might be true.

I realy think it is too scary for you.

And you don't have to agree with what I write at all. But you don't seem to be capapable of even looking into this,

So, that proves my other point then, thanx!

How are you confused as to why we are ridiculing you? You want to us to dismiss every major scientist who's ever lived, everything we've ever learned, burn our degrees, quit our jobs, and follow your new exotic method, yet you refuse to provide ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that anything we believe is wrong.

I asked you for proof that ONE thing we believe is wrong. ONE thing to prove you were as smart as you think you are, but you've refused.

Why would anyone abandon everything they know and believe for someone who is too lazy or terrified to actually prove anything he's saying?

 

[Sunzi]

I know, but that alone doens't mean it isn't true. you know what Ghandi said about that?


.. get rid of the (conventional) math.

Math is too hard, it teaches logic; great idea to get rid of the tools which "indoctrinated" kids can use to identify dumbed down BS on face value.

Why do you hate math? The proofs?

How about ordinary differential equations? Too hard? Did you take math in college or avoid "indoctrination"? How come your posts are stuck in "Conspiracy Theories".

 

[psikeyhackr]

Our education system is not without areas to improve, but to throw the entire thing out as nonsense is ridiculous. I wasn't indoctrinated at all. My professors taught something, and I would go home and read books and scour the internet to find out if its true or not. I'd then sit down in my home electronics lab and try it out, and look at that, it was all true. If you knew anything about college you'd know 90+% of the real learning you do is at home, not in the lectures.

What is so curious is that we do not have a National Recommended Reading List. We could have had that long before we had cheap computers. But how many teachers would be superfluous if we just had a listing of great books?

EveryCircuit by Igor Vytyaz
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.everycircuit&hl=en

Teach Yourself Electricity and Electronics (2006) by Stan Gibilisco
teach yourself electricity and electronics

The Art of Electronics (1989) by Horowitz and Hill
Download The Art of Electronics – Horowitz & Hill | books download

We may be able to put more transistors into smaller space at lower cost, but the transistors still work the same way.

The quantity of boring and unhelpful teachers who then behave as though you can't learn without them is amazing.

Schooling and education are two different things and each often exists without the other. Though education via schooling is quite nice when it happens.

psik