Sanders Cracks An "Insurmountable" Number

[Obscurity]

Read em and weep. The Real Clear Politics Aggregate has positioned sanders as second, but as some here have opined, Sanders couldn't crack 20% in a nationwide poll - until now.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination

In montmouth and politico polls, Sanders has cracked the 20% nationwide threshold and has surged recently.

What does this mean for the dem primary? Pete is faltering with his scandals.

 

[Ikari]

That seems to have Biden in the lead above everyone else. Though I do think that would be a mistake for the DNC. If you're going to elect Biden...might as well run Hillary again.

 

[3leftsdoo]

Sanders = Politically dead

Booty = The nominee

Trump = President until 2025

 

[poweRob]

Read em and weep. The Real Clear Politics Aggregate has positioned sanders as second, but as some here have opined, Sanders couldn't crack 20% in a nationwide poll - until now.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination

In montmouth and politico polls, Sanders has cracked the 20% nationwide threshold and has surged recently.

What does this mean for the dem primary? Pete is faltering with his scandals.

Puts Bernie within the margin of error of the poll for first too...

Poll: Biden leads Democratic field, Warren drops to third place

The poll shows Biden in the top spot with 26 percent support. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), meanwhile, finished in second place with 21 percent support, just within the survey’s 5-point margin of error.​

Like the headline? Every damn time it seems. They will not put Sanders in the headline.

Biden FIRST. Warren Third... ? in second!​

Though national polls are practically meaningless. More importantly, state by state polling is looking good for Bernie. Took the lead in California, jockeying for lead in New Hampshire and his ground game in the caucus state of Iowa is said to be superior at this point.

 

[aociswundumho]

Read em and weep. The Real Clear Politics Aggregate has positioned sanders as second, but as some here have opined, Sanders couldn't crack 20% in a nationwide poll - until now.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination

In montmouth and politico polls, Sanders has cracked the 20% nationwide threshold and has surged recently.

What does this mean for the dem primary? Pete is faltering with his scandals.

While I appreciate your enthusiasm for Sanders, he has way too much political baggage and is way too left wing to win in the general. He'll get slaughtered in the general same as other progressives like McGovern and Dukakis got slaughtered.

 

[chuckiechan]

That seems to have Biden in the lead above everyone else. Though I do think that would be a mistake for the DNC. If you're going to elect Biden...might as well run Hillary again.

True. I considered Biden to be Hillary without the graft. How wrong I was.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Read em and weep. The Real Clear Politics Aggregate has positioned sanders as second, but as some here have opined, Sanders couldn't crack 20% in a nationwide poll - until now.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination
In montmouth and politico polls, Sanders has cracked the 20% nationwide threshold and has surged recently.
What does this mean for the dem primary? Pete is faltering with his scandals.

Of all the candidates in the big two parties, he seems the most like a viable third party candidate.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

True. I considered Biden to be Hillary without the graft. How wrong I was.

When do you suppose the GOP Senate and Trump_DoJ will take action on this obvious graft?

Before or after Clinton is indicted for Foster's death?

 

[Deuce]

Of all the candidates in the big two parties, he seems the most like a viable third party candidate.

Which he won’t do because that will just re-elect Trump.

 

[Phys251]

Read em and weep. The Real Clear Politics Aggregate has positioned sanders as second, but as some here have opined, Sanders couldn't crack 20% in a nationwide poll - until now.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination

In montmouth and politico polls, Sanders has cracked the 20% nationwide threshold and has surged recently.

What does this mean for the dem primary? Pete is faltering with his scandals.

22% isn't that far ahead of 20%. In fact 20% remains within the margin of error.

Plus, Biden's still leading.

 

[Obscurity]

While I appreciate your enthusiasm for Sanders, he has way too much political baggage and is way too left wing to win in the general. He'll get slaughtered in the general same as other progressives like McGovern and Dukakis got slaughtered.

I disagree, and, his policies are moderate by comparison on a global scale. Actually, some of them are really conservative, like intelligent healthcare policy positions that save us money. Then again, the do nothing GOP will continue to ignore the Obamacare debacle and insist they have a plan - only gotta keep re-elcting them to see it.

 

[Obscurity]

22% isn't that far ahead of 20%. In fact 20% remains within the margin of error.

Plus, Biden's still leading.

While you're correct Biden is leading, I suspect he will begin to fade. He's resilient, and gotten a bump from the scandal with Trump, and Warren's fade, but, I'm not convinced he will hold out.

Plus, didn't you say Sanders couldn't crack 20%?

Well, you were wrong.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Puts Bernie within the margin of error of the poll for first too...

Poll: Biden leads Democratic field, Warren drops to third place

The poll shows Biden in the top spot with 26 percent support. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), meanwhile, finished in second place with 21 percent support, just within the survey’s 5-point margin of error.​

Like the headline? Every damn time it seems. They will not put Sanders in the headline.

Biden FIRST. Warren Third... ? in second!​

Though national polls are practically meaningless. More importantly, state by state polling is looking good for Bernie. Took the lead in California, jockeying for lead in New Hampshire and his ground game in the caucus state of Iowa is said to be superior at this point.

And this is The Hill, just in case everyone thought it's only cable news doing this nonsense.

Biden 1st, Warren 3rd....oop, who's in second place.
Oh no, we can't possibly want Bernie almost as much as Biden!!

And yeah, it's very similar to what the news media and the DNC tried to do to Bernie the last time.
We have been all over that.
I still think part of this is the rift between Bernie and the DNC.

e's being shut out as much as possible. The DNC is trying to protect their establishment and the media is frightened at the prospect of their large corporate advertisers wigging out.

They're all acting like nine year olds who think that a President decides everything.
Never mind that we're engaged in the fight of the century to prove that unitary executives, particularly deeply compromised and corrupt ones, are a danger to our national security.
Bernie Sanders would have to work with people on both sides of the aisle like any POTUS should, and many on the Dem side aren't fans of many items in his agenda.

I must retract what I said a couple of months ago about his age.
The guy must have a Terminator power source in his chest.
He doesn't seem the least bit affected by any age related health concerns.

I did notice something however...and you may have noticed it too.
He's not using the dreaded "s" word so much anymore.
He's just pushing a steady platform that is similar to his eternal boilerplate.

Oh well, it's still almost a year out.
I can hope and wish for Biden to flame out or trip over his own baggage so badly that he's no longer able to be propped up even by extraordinary means.

Just know, I still like Bernie, and if he is the nominee, I will enthusiastically vote for him.

Is it possible that the Democratic Party will make the same fatal mistake twice in a row?
Don't answer that, I think I can already guess your response.

 

[Phys251]

While you're correct Biden is leading, I suspect he will begin to fade. He's resilient, and gotten a bump from the scandal with Trump, and Warren's fade, but, I'm not convinced he will hold out.

Who knows. I thought Biden would have faded by now, but Sanders and Warren seem to be splitting the progressive vote. If one or the other drops out, that could cause the remaining candidate to surge to 40-something percent.

Plus, didn't you say Sanders couldn't crack 20%?

Well, you were wrong.

Did I say that would never happen or that it has never happened? Word choice matters.

 

[jnug]

Read em and weep. The Real Clear Politics Aggregate has positioned sanders as second, but as some here have opined, Sanders couldn't crack 20% in a nationwide poll - until now.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination


In montmouth and politico polls, Sanders has cracked the 20% nationwide threshold and has surged recently.

What does this mean for the dem primary? Pete is faltering with his scandals.

Nationwide polls in an election that is settled in the Electoral Collage are meaningless. Honestly I really don't care who cracks what in a Nationwide poll for an election that is not settled on a Nationwide General Election Basis. Nothing more than fodder for the talking heads of the News Channels.

Notice that the GOP is leaving Bernie alone at the moment. WHY? Because they would love to see Bernie be the Dem nominee for President. At that point they will simply drive Bernie's self inflicted wound, self avowing as a Democratic Socialist right down his throat and take most of the Dem Party down with him. AOC will suddenly be a very lonely girl on the Hill and Trump will be back in the WH. A few Democratic Socialists puddling around on the Hill....NO PROBLEM. Putting one in the WH in this country???? NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

 

[Hypothetical]

well hell if we can't get Trump then lets go full Bernie.

I'll vote for him if he wins the nomination.

 

[slick]

Who knows. I thought Biden would have faded by now, but Sanders and Warren seem to be splitting the progressive vote. If one or the other drops out, that could cause the remaining candidate to surge to 40-something percent.



Did I say that would never happen or that it has never happened? Word choice matters.

I was awful surprised that initially Warren took off because of the two Bernie is more authentic. Bernie doesn't pander like Warren.
Once Warren drops out 70% of her supporters would go to Bernie. That should make Bernie the favorite for the nomination.

 

[Obscurity]

Who knows. I thought Biden would have faded by now, but Sanders and Warren seem to be splitting the progressive vote. If one or the other drops out, that could cause the remaining candidate to surge to 40-something percent.



Did I say that would never happen or that it has never happened? Word choice matters.

I'm not sure, not here to hold you over the fire. Warren though, the majority of her "second choice" voters are Biden voters, and vice versa. It seems the people who support her are switching back and forth between her, Mayor Pete, and Biden.

So I think it's less a split of the progressive vote, and more of a split among older voters who are bouncing around between the 3, since Sanders' support among young and minority groups has remained steady.

The Warren/Sanders divide is not really around the progressive base, I think, otherwise more Warren supporters would have Bernie as their #2, and not Biden, as it were.

 

[jnug]

I was awful surprised that initially Warren took off because of the two Bernie is more authentic. Bernie doesn't pander like Warren.
Once Warren drops out 70% of her supporters would go to Bernie. That should make Bernie the favorite for the nomination.

And of course, you would love that.

 

[Obscurity]

I was awful surprised that initially Warren took off because of the two Bernie is more authentic. Bernie doesn't pander like Warren.
Once Warren drops out 70% of her supporters would go to Bernie. That should make Bernie the favorite for the nomination.

Maybe, but the data from other sites seems to indicate the majority of warren supporters have biden as their second choice, and vice versa. David Pakman talks about it all the time, how Warren dropping may not necessarily help Sanders, unless of course, Sanders taps her as VP.

Rumor has it Ole Joe may select Abrams as his VP; I'd think Sanders may go Turner. Turner vs. Pence would be the most hilarious debate ever.

 

[poweRob]

Nationwide polls in an election that is settled in the Electoral Collage are meaningless. Honestly I really don't care who cracks what in a Nationwide poll for an election that is not settled on a Nationwide General Election Basis. Nothing more than fodder for the talking heads of the News Channels.

Notice that the GOP is leaving Bernie alone at the moment. WHY? Because they would love to see Bernie be the Dem nominee for President. At that point they will simply drive Bernie's self inflicted wound, self avowing as a Democratic Socialist right down his throat and take most of the Dem Party down with him. AOC will suddenly be a very lonely girl on the Hill and Trump will be back in the WH. A few Democratic Socialists puddling around on the Hill....NO PROBLEM. Putting one in the WH in this country???? NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Meh... bull****.

Dems have tried the centrist garbage and failed. Repeatedly. It's time to win and Bernie will do that.

 

[jnug]

Meh... bull****.

Dems have tried the centrist garbage and failed. Repeatedly. It's time to win and Bernie will do that.

Bring a centrist or not has nothing to do with it. Bernie could have self avowed as a Social Democrat, released his entire platform without any changes and would have been fine. But NOOOOOO....he had to self avow as a Democratic Socialist. Just another Politician from the Left that will make it easy for the Right to make easy arguments that will bury him under a mountain of votes. Worse, if the Dem Party goes to November with a self avowed Democratic Socialist at the top of his ticket, he will take the party down with him. He will win in AOC style districts. How many of those are there?

Unfortunately such a definitive statement of who and what he is not something he will be able to walk back either. What is he going to say? "Well I really meant Social Democrat and lost my head"!

 

[poweRob]

Bring a centrist or not has nothing to do with it. Bernie could have self avowed as a Social Democrat, released his entire platform without any changes and would have been fine. But NOOOOOO....he had to self avow as a Democratic Socialist. Just another Politician from the Left that will make it easy for the Right to make easy arguments that will bury him under a mountain of votes. Worse, if the Dem Party goes to November with a self avowed Democratic Socialist at the top of his ticket, he will take the party down with him. He will win in AOC style districts. How many of those are there?

Unfortunately such a definitive statement of who and what he is not something he will be able to walk back either. What is he going to say? "Well I really meant Social Democrat and lost my head"!

Get over it. Republicans are... so can you.