San Francisco business owners and residents decry drug, crime crisis: ‘Zombie apocalypse,’ ‘dystopia’

[BlueTex]

Google is your friend.

LMAO... Can't cite any actual data? What is the standard for involuntary committal?

 

[NatMorton]

LMAO... Can't cite any actual data? What is the standard for involuntary committal?

It’s clear you make no effort, and that is why no one should give what you say here any credibility.

SMI Adviser - What are the statistics regarding mental health and substance use issues of individuals experiencing homelessness?

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Homelessness Programs and Resources

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Homelessness and Mental Illness: A Challenge to Our Society | Brain & Behavior Research Foundation

What is the prevalence of mental illness among people experiencing homelessness in the U.S.? According to a 2015 assessment by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, 564,708 people were homeless on a given night in the United States. At a minimum, 140,000 or 25 percent of these...

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[ttwtt78640]

It’s clear you make no effort, and that is why no one should give what you say here any credibility.

SMI Adviser - What are the statistics regarding mental health and substance use issues of individuals experiencing homelessness?

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Homelessness and Mental Illness: A Challenge to Our Society | Brain & Behavior Research Foundation

What is the prevalence of mental illness among people experiencing homelessness in the U.S.? According to a 2015 assessment by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, 564,708 people were homeless on a given night in the United States. At a minimum, 140,000 or 25 percent of these...

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His point seems to be that many homeless can’t be (easily?) proven to pose a danger to themselves or others, thus a 72 hold for mental health evaluation would be the likely outcome for many (if not most). That, of course, is if the Progressive local government would even allow that much to be done.

 

[BlueTex]

His point seems to be that many homeless can’t be (easily?) proven to pose a danger to themselves or others, thus a 72 hold for mental health evaluation would be the likely outcome for many (if not most). That, of course, is if the Progressive local government would even allow that much to be done.

Yeah, we get the idiocy above instead...

 

[BlueTex]

It’s clear you make no effort, and that is why no one should give what you say here any credibility.

SMI Adviser - What are the statistics regarding mental health and substance use issues of individuals experiencing homelessness?

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Homelessness and Mental Illness: A Challenge to Our Society | Brain & Behavior Research Foundation

What is the prevalence of mental illness among people experiencing homelessness in the U.S.? According to a 2015 assessment by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, 564,708 people were homeless on a given night in the United States. At a minimum, 140,000 or 25 percent of these...

www.bbrfoundation.org

It's this kind of stupidity that leads to the "MAGA solutions"... Just because someone is mentally ill is NOT ENOUGH to involuntarily commit them... Good lord... The amount of bullshit tossed around as "solutions" is stunning...

 

[NatMorton]

His point seems to be that many homeless can’t be (easily?) proven to pose a danger to themselves or others, thus a 72 hold for mental health evaluation would be the likely outcome for many (if not most). That, of course, is if the Progressive local government would even allow that much to be done.

He doesn’t really have a point and rarely does. He seems to be the sort who gainsays for the partisan sake of it then congratulations himself for doing it.

 

[NatMorton]

It's this kind of stupidity that leads to the "MAGA solutions"... Just because someone is mentally ill is NOT ENOUGH to involuntarily commit them... Good lord... The amount of bullshit tossed around as "solutions" is stunning...

I believe it’s better then allowing them to live feral.

 

[ttwtt78640]

He doesn’t really have a point and rarely does. He seems to be the sort who gainsays for the partisan sake of it then congratulations himself for doing it.

Most often simply he demands solutions from others without ever offering any himself, accompanied with a few LMAO or LOL blurbs tossed in to let us know how unserious he is.

 

[BlueTex]

I believe it’s better then allowing them to live feral.

How well what “you believe” holds up in court?

 

[BlueTex]

He doesn’t really have a point and rarely does. He seems to be the sort who gainsays for the partisan sake of it then congratulations himself for doing it.

The point is the idiocy that passes for “solutions” from the right..

 

[VanceMack]

LMAO...

OK...lets put that another way...if you DONT believe the devastation to communities that your rat party has done has been deliberate then HOLY ****...you continue to support a party that by your own estimation then is the most inept and incapable gathering of clowns, bolstered by people like you...in the history of mankind.

 

[Superfly]

It's not, just curious how few threads we get from the "great defenders" about stuff like this but we get dozens of SF threads...

Psssst. Nancy Pelosi lives in San Francisco.

Wonder why Chicago also draws the attention of the right, more so than other places?

Guess who is from Chicago?

 

[NatMorton]

Most often simply he demands solutions from others without ever offering any himself, accompanied with a few LMAO or LOL blurbs tossed in to let us know how unserious he is.

My goodness, someone from the left demanding something of someone they themselves are not willing to do? Say it ain't so.

 

[NatMorton]

How well what “you believe” holds up in court?

Does a two-year old have a right to live alone on the streets? Will that right hold up in court?

 

[NatMorton]

The point is the idiocy that passes for “solutions” from the right..

Yes, in this context we understand your "solution." They're the walking dead lining the streets of cities like SF, and Seattle, and San Jose, and LA, ...

You don't have a solution. You only have a preening morality that sees homelessness as a prop.

 

[weaver2]

Incarcerate those committing crimes to support a ‘drug problem’ and institutionalize those with serious mental health problems. That should get it down to those who need a hand up instead of a handout.

So why isn't the Sackler family in jail. They are the sole owners of Purdue Pharma, makers of OxyContin, creators and profiteers of the drug pipelines to the rural unemployed in Maine, Ohio, West Virginia, Tennessee Pennsylvania. The family's profit from the misery of addiction they created is calculated at $10,000,000,000. The cost to the US for one years expenditures (2017) dealing with the issue of the addicted = $150,000,000,000. Number of deaths from addiction in one year 70,000 largely from OxyContin. And yet not one Sackler is in jail.


This is only part of the problem but recognizing who is profiting from addiction and making them responsible for what they created and profited from is a start. Letting Purdue Pharma and the Sacklers declare bankruptcy and walk away with the profits from a problem they created just encourages others to do the same.

 

[PoS]

Awww.. Come on... Did you bail and run or are you fighting for drug treatment and housing for the homeless? Chipping in a little extra to the state coffers to put your money where your mouth is?

Why should I chip in when the libs destroy the entire state and keep on doing it with their pro-crime and pro-homeless politics? Libs are pure evil.

Your (initial and lame) point seemed to have been that folks commenting on a situation someplace other than where they (currently?) lived was inappropriate, yet you seem to find it acceptable to comment about the situation in foreign countries.

Libs being hypocrites again. In other news, water is wet.

Its still a Utopia compared to any red state shithole.

Hey....IJS....just keeping it real.

Really? The state with the largest homeless population in the country is a utopia?

Doesn't rule out being reared in SF.

So?

 

[weaver2]

Why should I chip in when the libs destroy the entire state and keep on doing it with their pro-crime and pro-homeless politics? Libs are pure evil.

Liberals haven't caused homelessness. For each state the history and reasons are quite different.
DC's high rate of poverty and very high housing costs creates their homeless problem. California like Alaska and Nevada has a "get rich quick" tradition starting with gold mining and gambling that attracts a lot of marginal people who don't get rich and can't find jobs. California and Alaska both have very high housing costs. California's driven by the high wages in electronics jobs, Alaska's by the high cost of materials and labor. Vermont has a high % of low wage and rural poor. However, Vermont has programs that shelter most of the homeless so the homeless stay in their own state unlike the homeless in many northern states they do not migrate to warmer states. Oregon is a rapidly expanding state that supposedly has a lot of jobs available encouraging the jobless to move here. It also has a very mild climate in most places but the housing prices are high. Maine's high homelessness problem is the result of rapidly closing of paper mills and other wood based manufacturing and no other industries to offer jobs. The homeless tend to stay in Maine because of large extended family support providing temporary housing.

Washington state's high homelessness is a mystery. They don't have particularly easy climate, they have a good economy, housing prices are not excessively high and their laws that are not overly sympathetic to homelessness.

There is no one size fits all solution to homelessness and blaming it all on Democrats doesn't solve the problem.

 

[PoS]

Liberals haven't caused homelessness. For each state the history and reasons are quite different. View attachment 67450364
DC's high rate of poverty and very high housing costs creates their homeless problem. California like Alaska and Nevada has a "get rich quick" tradition starting with gold mining and gambling that attracts a lot of marginal people who don't get rich and can't find jobs. California and Alaska both have very high housing costs. California's driven by the high wages in electronics jobs, Alaska's by the high cost of materials and labor. Vermont has a high % of low wage and rural poor. However, Vermont has programs that shelter most of the homeless so the homeless stay in their own state unlike the homeless in many northern states they do not migrate to warmer states. Oregon is a rapidly expanding state that supposedly has a lot of jobs available encouraging the jobless to move here. It also has a very mild climate in most places but the housing prices are high. Maine's high homelessness problem is the result of rapidly closing of paper mills and other wood based manufacturing and no other industries to offer jobs. The homeless tend to stay in Maine because of large extended family support providing temporary housing.

Washington state's high homelessness is a mystery. They don't have particularly easy climate, they have a good economy, housing prices are not excessively high and their laws that are not overly sympathetic to homelessness.

There is no one size fits all solution to homelessness and blaming it all on Democrats doesn't solve the problem.

No one ever said a one size fits all solution is necessary, but when you have libs doing nothing but throw money at the problem, it just gets worse. And most homeless are out on the streets because of two big reasons: mental issues and drug addiction.

 

[weaver2]

No one ever said a one size fits all solution is necessary, but when you have libs doing nothing but throw money at the problem, it just gets worse. And most homeless are out on the streets because of two big reasons: mental issues and drug addiction.

How about some examples of "libs throwing money " at the homeless problem. Share the sources of your examples also.
Because of their history and reputations California, Nevada and Alaska are always going to attract more than their share of people who will eventually be homeless. It's not a Democratic or a Republican problem and neither side is going to be able to stop the influx of people.

Washington DC is run by Congress and neither party has taken an active interest in solving DC's many problems yet they won't give DC the autonomy or the funding to run the city.

Vermont has a high homeless rate but provides adequate shelter and food so homeless Vermonters can stay in Vermont. It's a Democratic state so one has to assume that this solution came from the Democrats.

Maine lost about 450 well paying jobs when the Bucksport paper mill closed. 500 to 600 jobs were lost when the mills in the Millinocket area closed. 350 jobs were lost in Old Town. Lincoln lost about 200 jobs. Madison about 300 and Jay lost about 300 jobs. Democrats didn't create this problem, corporate mill owners did. Maine is a relatively poor state with a population just over 1,000,000 and limited job opportunities. Dealing with thousands of lost jobs over a very short period of time is a difficult task. Neither Democrat nor Republican parties have had any good ideas on how to rebuild those jobs.

This same situation happened in WVA with coal mining, in Ohio and Pennsylvania with steel mills. As long a Congress helps corporations move to countries with no environmental laws, child labor, poverty wages, no safety standards, and unethical business practices we will not have good paying industry jobs and we will have joblessness leading to homelessness. The party advocating for easy removal of industry to foreign countries are Republicans.

It hardly seems fair for Republicans to now demand that Democrats solve the problem without spending any money.

 

[Glitch]

San Francisco business owners and residents decry drug, crime crisis: ‘Zombie apocalypse,’ ‘dystopia’

One resident, Seema Gokhale, who lives near the Tenderloin neighborhood of San Francisco and has been the city for almost a decade, described life there as “post-apocalyptic.”

nypost.com

All this whining yet they keep voting in the libs. Cant they see thats the problem right there?

This is precisely the San Francisco that these morons voted for. If they don't like the way their city is being run, why do they continue to elect and reelect Democrats?

I have no sympathy for any business or any resident of San Francisco. This is precisely what they have always wanted and voted for. So let them wallow in their own creation. That goes for every other Democrat shithole city and State in the nation as well. In a democracy the people get the government they deserve.

 

[Glitch]

Liberals haven't caused homelessness. For each state the history and reasons are quite different. View attachment 67450364
DC's high rate of poverty and very high housing costs creates their homeless problem. California like Alaska and Nevada has a "get rich quick" tradition starting with gold mining and gambling that attracts a lot of marginal people who don't get rich and can't find jobs. California and Alaska both have very high housing costs. California's driven by the high wages in electronics jobs, Alaska's by the high cost of materials and labor. Vermont has a high % of low wage and rural poor. However, Vermont has programs that shelter most of the homeless so the homeless stay in their own state unlike the homeless in many northern states they do not migrate to warmer states. Oregon is a rapidly expanding state that supposedly has a lot of jobs available encouraging the jobless to move here. It also has a very mild climate in most places but the housing prices are high. Maine's high homelessness problem is the result of rapidly closing of paper mills and other wood based manufacturing and no other industries to offer jobs. The homeless tend to stay in Maine because of large extended family support providing temporary housing.

Washington state's high homelessness is a mystery. They don't have particularly easy climate, they have a good economy, housing prices are not excessively high and their laws that are not overly sympathetic to homelessness.

There is no one size fits all solution to homelessness and blaming it all on Democrats doesn't solve the problem.

The high cost of living has absolutely nothing to do with Alaska's homeless population.

Alaska's so-called "homeless" are not really homeless. They consist primarily of Alaskans from remote villages coming into Anchorage, Fairbanks, and other cities during the Summer to find work. Unemployment is very high in the bush. So those not involved in catching salmon and stocking up for the next Winter, come into town looking for work. They commonly sleep in tents or occupy homeless shelters, even though they have homes.

There are also several "dry" villages around Alaska. Residents of those villages will come into the cities during the Summer just to drink, and they also contribute to the homeless numbers during the Summer.

Then you have all the out-of-State tourists who also set up camp in Anchorage, Fairbanks, Juneau, and other cities. They are also not homeless. They just don't have homes in Alaska.

Alaska's "homeless" changes significantly by Autumn. If you want a true indication of Alaska's homeless, count them during the Winter months, not during the Summer.

 

[weaver2]

The high cost of living has absolutely nothing to do with Alaska's homeless population.

Alaska's so-called "homeless" are not really homeless. They consist primarily of Alaskans from remote villages coming into Anchorage, Fairbanks, and other cities during the Summer to find wHere areork. Unemployment is very high in the bush. So those not involved in catching salmon and stocking up for the next Winter, come into town looking for work. They commonly sleep in tents or occupy homeless shelters, even though they have homes.

There are also several "dry" villages around Alaska. Residents of those villages will come into the cities during the Summer just to drink, and they also contribute to the homeless numbers during the Summer.

Then you have all the out-of-State tourists who also set up camp in Anchorage, Fairbanks, Juneau, and other cities. They are also not homeless. They just don't have homes in Alaska.

Alaska's "homeless" changes significantly by Autumn. If you want a true indication of Alaska's homeless, count them during the Winter months, not during the Summer.

Yeah, yeah it's always natives and tourists causing all Alaska's problems. Here are the statistics on homeless in AK
Population by race-----------------% of homeless by race
White---------66.7% ------------------- 38%
NativeAK----- 24.8%---------------------45% But hey, most of those have homes up north; they're just in town to drink
Mixed race-----7.3%----------------------NA
Asian Pacific----6.4%----------------------4.5%
Black-------------3.6%----------------------8%

Alaska's homeless in comparison to other states from Lowest to Highest
State---------------------% of population that are homeless
Mississippi-------------------0.08%
Montana----------------------0.1%
Wyoming ---------------------0.1%
Idaho--------------------------0.1%
Nevada------------------------0.25%
Alaska ------------------------0.3%
Washington-------------------0.3%
California----------------------0.4%
Oregon------------------------0.4%
Texas -------------------------0.8%
NewYork----------------------0.8%
Arizona------------------------0.9%

So Alaska has about the same problem with homeless as CA, WA, OR, NV . But it's drunk natives and tourists camping. Never mind that the people tasked with fixing problems in the state legislature are 85% caucasian and 3% Natives. Blaming natives is a time honored tradition.Oh yeah and the Legislature is mostly Republican.

 

[Glitch]

Yeah, yeah it's always natives and tourists causing all Alaska's problems. Here are the statistics on homeless in AK
Population by race-----------------% of homeless by race
White---------66.7% ------------------- 38%
NativeAK----- 24.8%---------------------45% But hey, most of those have homes up north; they're just in town to drink
Mixed race-----7.3%----------------------NA
Asian Pacific----6.4%----------------------4.5%
Black-------------3.6%----------------------8%

Alaska's homeless in comparison to other states from Lowest to Highest
State---------------------% of population that are homeless
Mississippi-------------------0.08%
Montana----------------------0.1%
Wyoming ---------------------0.1%
Idaho--------------------------0.1%
Nevada------------------------0.25%
Alaska ------------------------0.3%
Washington-------------------0.3%
California----------------------0.4%
Oregon------------------------0.4%
Texas -------------------------0.8%
NewYork----------------------0.8%
Arizona------------------------0.9%

So Alaska has about the same problem with homeless as CA, WA, OR, NV . But it's drunk natives and tourists camping. Never mind that the people tasked with fixing problems in the state legislature are 85% caucasian and 3% Natives. Blaming natives is a time honored tradition.Oh yeah and the Legislature is mostly Republican.

I never blamed native Americans. I didn't even mention them. You did. I also pointed out that they were not homeless, but they were being improperly counted as homeless since they were living on the streets of Anchorage, Fairbanks, and other cities during the Summer months.

Can you name another State whose population more than triples every Summer due to tourism? Alaska has a population of 733,391, with 2.6 million tourists entering the State in 2019 alone. The year before that in 2018, 1,169,000 traveled by cruise ship to Alaska, 760,100 were air visitors, and 97,200 were highway/ferry visitors.

Like I said, if you want an accurate account of homeless in Alaska perform your counts during the Winter, not the Summer. Including temporary Summer visitors as "homeless" is dishonest and does a disservice to those who are truly homeless and in need of assistance.

 

[PoS]

How about some examples of "libs throwing money " at the homeless problem. Share the sources of your examples also.

California will spend a record amount on homelessness. Here's where it's going

California will spend a record $4.8 billion over two years to alleviate homelessness after legislators passed key details of a new state budget. Here's how the money will be spent.

www.latimes.com

In the country's 'homeless capital', doubts grow over whether population will ever be housed

Tent camps continue to grow in cities large and small, while those in charge of finding solutions say the lack of an overall strategy and the rising housing costs are to blame.

www.nbcnews.com

Not only that, its funny you ignore the crime angle too.