Salisbury - Unanswered Questions

[Westphalian]

For a supposedly guilty party, the Russians certainly do keep re-raising the Salisbury issue, which seems a little strange.


This is a very long and thorough recap of events, and asks 57 un-answered questions. Strangely enough, a quantum more thorough than anything released by the UK, most of which has been conducted through 'informed leaks' to friendly media newspapers.



SALISBURY: UNANSWERED QUESTIONS (4 March 2019)

Introduction

A year ago, on 4 March 2018, Sergei and Yulia Skripal were reportedly poisoned with a nerve agent in Salisbury, Wiltshire. The UK government has accused the Russian state of being responsible for the poisoning. Russia has denied any involvement. The incident has caused major international repercussions, bringing Russia-UK and Russia-West relations to a new low. Yet details of what happened remain unclear. The Russian Embassy pays tribute to all those who have helped and supported the two Russian nationals affected, first and foremost to first responders and medical staff. We also commend the efforts of journalists, bloggers and members of the public who have been working tirelessly to ensure that truth over what happened is established and disseminated, despite the extremely difficult media environment imposed by the British authorities.

Finally, we reiterate our sincere condolences over the tragic death of Dawn Sturgess who has become an innocent victim of political games. We join her loved ones in aspiring for the full circumstances of what happened to her and others involved to be established.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

So let's just ignore the killing of a Russian in the UK whose death greatly benefitted Russia and ignore the murder weapon was developed by Russia and held exclusively by Russia all because Russia said it didn't do it.

Sorry, bud, but your constant Russia propoganda pieces are completely unbelievable. You could try sprinkling in some truth to make it sound more believable.

 

[PeteEU]

So let's just ignore the killing of a Russian in the UK whose death greatly benefitted Russia

I keep hearing that, but until the attack I had never heard of this guy or read his name on any list of system critics. Plus what benefits exactly? More sanctions? Not exactly a benefit. In fact the only ones that it has benefited is Ukraine and the neo con right in the UK and US.

Fact is, if this was the Russians, it was poorly planed and executed and that aint the usual Russian MO.

and ignore the murder weapon was developed by Russia and held exclusively by Russia all because Russia said it didn't do it.

One of the men who invented it and can replicate it lives in the UK. And it was not held exclusively by Russia... it was the Soviet Union, and that included places like Ukraine. Why is it that people forget to mention these bits.

This case has been miss-handled by the Brits and exploited by the Americans and Ukrainians. I am not trying to defend Putin but there is plenty of actual real provable attack methods against Putin than grasping at straws in this case. Way too much "guilt by association" and pretty much nothing else and the evidence that has been presented is about as reliable as the WMD evidence the US presented to the UN. It does not take years to look through CC TV in a small British town and then point out 2 or maybe 3 possible Russian agents.

 

[ecofarm]

One of the men who invented it and can replicate it lives in the UK. And it was not held exclusively by Russia... it was the Soviet Union, and that included places like Ukraine. Why is it that people forget to mention these bits.

I think it's pretty easy to rule out that one dude.

 

[Sven Karma]

... until the attack I had never heard of this guy or read his name on any list of system critics...

I doubt many people had heard of Georgi Markov until his assassination. Skripal's line of work was one that by definition kept him away from the notice of the average citizen.

 

[Tim the plumber]

For a supposedly guilty party, the Russians certainly do keep re-raising the Salisbury issue, which seems a little strange.


This is a very long and thorough recap of events, and asks 57 un-answered questions. Strangely enough, a quantum more thorough than anything released by the UK, most of which has been conducted through 'informed leaks' to friendly media newspapers.



SALISBURY: UNANSWERED QUESTIONS (4 March 2019)

Having scanned a bit of the Russian bilge, where are the questions?

 

[ecofarm]

I doubt many people had heard of Georgi Markov until his assassination. Skripal's line of work was one that by definition kept him away from the notice of the average citizen.

Or Khashoggi and he worked for a major US newspaper.

 

[KevinKohler]

I thought this was going to be about exposing the mystery of Salisbury.....steak.




Just what IS it?

 

[Quag]

For a supposedly guilty party, the Russians certainly do keep re-raising the Salisbury issue, which seems a little strange.


This is a very long and thorough recap of events, and asks 57 un-answered questions. Strangely enough, a quantum more thorough than anything released by the UK, most of which has been conducted through 'informed leaks' to friendly media newspapers.



SALISBURY: UNANSWERED QUESTIONS (4 March 2019)

Putin is a murderous gangster and sooner or later the Russian people will rise up and remove him.
Will you still post this nonsense after you are no longer paid to do so?

 

[Quag]

I thought this was going to be about exposing the mystery of Salisbury.....steak.




Just what IS it?

I had the same thoughts

 

[DaveFagan]

Having scanned a bit of the Russian bilge, where are the questions?

Near the bottom of the article, and worth reading.
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[DaveFagan]

So let's just ignore the killing of a Russian in the UK whose death greatly benefitted Russia and ignore the murder weapon was developed by Russia and held exclusively by Russia all because Russia said it didn't do it.

Sorry, bud, but your constant Russia propoganda pieces are completely unbelievable. You could try sprinkling in some truth to make it sound more believable.

Could be UK propaganda.
Could be Russian propaganda.
That's a good reason to read it and educate yourself, unless you are afraid you might pop your bubble/matrix.
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[Fledermaus]

I keep hearing that, but until the attack I had never heard of this guy or read his name on any list of system critics. Plus what benefits exactly? More sanctions? Not exactly a benefit. In fact the only ones that it has benefited is Ukraine and the neo con right in the UK and US.

Fact is, if this was the Russians, it was poorly planed and executed and that aint the usual Russian MO.



One of the men who invented it and can replicate it lives in the UK. And it was not held exclusively by Russia... it was the Soviet Union, and that included places like Ukraine. Why is it that people forget to mention these bits.

This case has been miss-handled by the Brits and exploited by the Americans and Ukrainians. I am not trying to defend Putin but there is plenty of actual real provable attack methods against Putin than grasping at straws in this case. Way too much "guilt by association" and pretty much nothing else and the evidence that has been presented is about as reliable as the WMD evidence the US presented to the UN. It does not take years to look through CC TV in a small British town and then point out 2 or maybe 3 possible Russian agents.

Mishandled by the Brits?

How?

By accusing the most likely perpetrators?

As to production of the agent... Russia actually had a lab for this.

 

[Fledermaus]

Could be UK propaganda.
Could be Russian propaganda.
That's a good reason to read it and educate yourself, unless you are afraid you might pop your bubble/matrix.
/

Educate yourself on RT and SPUTNIK is what you meant to say.

Because that is where your "theories" come from.

Gay GRU dudes decide to vacation in Skripal's town just prior to the poisoning.

Then the gay GRU dudes innocently visit the Skripal's immediate neighborhood....

Only to pack up and go home immediately after the poisoning.

Riiiiight.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Bellingcat has turned up a third suspect...

Real identity of third Skripal suspect revealed

 

[DaveFagan]

Educate yourself on RT and SPUTNIK is what you meant to say.

Because that is where your "theories" come from.

Gay GRU dudes decide to vacation in Skripal's town just prior to the poisoning.

Then the gay GRU dudes innocently visit the Skripal's immediate neighborhood....

Only to pack up and go home immediately after the poisoning.

Riiiiight.

Your bubble/matrix is very fragile. Like an engorged, itchy, hemrhoid. Try filling your bathtub with Preparation H and staying under for 6-8 minutes. Careful of shrinkage. Might not be anything left, eh?

..-. ..-

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[Fledermaus]

Your bubble/matrix is very fragile. Like an engorged, itchy, hemrhoid. Try filling your bathtub with Preparation H and staying under for 6-8 minutes. Careful of shrinkage. Might not be anything left, eh?

..-. ..-

\/

A post with no real content.... Just ad hom and your fascination with the anus and its product.

That's when I know you have been fact-slapped sufficiently....

 

[lwf]

I keep hearing that, but until the attack I had never heard of this guy or read his name on any list of system critics. Plus what benefits exactly? More sanctions? Not exactly a benefit. In fact the only ones that it has benefited is Ukraine and the neo con right in the UK and US.

The benefit is obvious. It is the same benefit any organized crime entity gets when they murder or attempt to murder in a gruesome and painful way someone who betrays them. It sends a message to other potential 'traitors to the motherland.'

Fact is, if this was the Russians, it was poorly planed and executed and that aint the usual Russian MO.

The GRU and the KGB before them have always been clumsy when it comes to clandestine activity. They care more about the end results than about hiding the actor. This serves to give the Russian Intelligence community an aura of ruthlessness and relentlessness when it comes to dealing with traitors. There is usually little doubt as to who is responsible, and this chemical weapons strike on UK soil with civilian casualties is no different.

 

[lwf]

Bellingcat has turned up a third suspect...

Real identity of third Skripal suspect revealed

Hadn't heard this. Sounds like they're closing in.

 

[KevinKohler]

A post with no real content.... Just ad hom and your fascination with the anus and its product.

That's when I know you have been fact-slapped sufficiently....

Fact slapped.


Think I'm gonna have to steal that.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

I keep hearing that, but until the attack I had never heard of this guy or read his name on any list of system critics. Plus what benefits exactly? More sanctions? Not exactly a benefit. In fact the only ones that it has benefited is Ukraine and the neo con right in the UK and US.

Fact is, if this was the Russians, it was poorly planed and executed and that aint the usual Russian MO.



One of the men who invented it and can replicate it lives in the UK. And it was not held exclusively by Russia... it was the Soviet Union, and that included places like Ukraine. Why is it that people forget to mention these bits.

This case has been miss-handled by the Brits and exploited by the Americans and Ukrainians. I am not trying to defend Putin but there is plenty of actual real provable attack methods against Putin than grasping at straws in this case. Way too much "guilt by association" and pretty much nothing else and the evidence that has been presented is about as reliable as the WMD evidence the US presented to the UN. It does not take years to look through CC TV in a small British town and then point out 2 or maybe 3 possible Russian agents.

So your argument boils down to A) Putin always lets you know his targets before he kills them, and B) Russian agents would never make a mistake, so anything that looks very heavily like Russia did this and matches their MO should be rejected if we even hear about it.

Russia does stuff like this ALL THE TIME. It's highly likely they did this, but even if they didn't, they do things just like it regularly and deserve every bit of criticism, sanctions and anything else that gets thrown their way.

 

[lwf]

Russia does stuff like this ALL THE TIME. It's highly likely they did this, but even if they didn't, they do things just like it regularly and deserve every bit of criticism, sanctions and anything else that gets thrown their way.

And even if by some slim chance they didn't do this, Putin would want active Russian spies to suspect that he was behind it anyway. He doesn't want proof, but he wants strong suspicion. That way he can deny with a wink in order to argue against sanctions, but he also gets to send the message that disloyalty is deadly. Which he did. No matter how you look at it, Putin benefits from this. It makes no political sense to suspect any other actor would attempt to assassinate a Russian defector.

 

[Westphalian]

If Russia had wanted Skripal dead, he would be.

Nobody would have dreamt up such a stupid, grand-standing method just before the World Cup and an election in Russia - with two stooges from Russia appearing on numerous CCTV cameras, flying directly from Moscow to London and back, leaving a trail of poison behind them, and delivering it via a door handle.

Really? Seriously?

The UK has presented no evidence, simply phrases like 'highly likely', and generally left a trail of unanswered questions behind its theatre.


PS - conveniently it seems that samples of Novichok were held in the Porton Down lab just a few miles from Salisbury.

 

[PeteEU]

So your argument boils down to A) Putin always lets you know his targets before he kills them,

No, where did I say that? What I said, was that at best he was a very minor system critic, so why the hell kill him?

B) Russian agents would never make a mistake, so anything that looks very heavily like Russia did this and matches their MO should be rejected if we even hear about it.

Never? well, have you ever in the what.. 50 years of the cold war, heard of a such badly performed espionage job as this? It was amateur hour.

Russia does stuff like this ALL THE TIME.

Says who? And does the US/UK and others not do the same ****?

It's highly likely they did this, but even if they didn't, they do things just like it regularly and deserve every bit of criticism, sanctions and anything else that gets thrown their way.

Err again based on what? That they invented the stuff.. does that mean all gun deaths can be blamed on the Chinese?

 

[PeteEU]

Mishandled by the Brits?

How?

By accusing the most likely perpetrators?

As to production of the agent... Russia actually had a lab for this.

And the guy who worked there and invented the stuff lives in the UK.. who also have labs that could easily have produced it.