Romney Reflects On '47 Percent' In First Post-Election Interview

[ttwtt78640]

Saying something in reverse is not saying what was said. Obama in no way even insinuated that infrastructure is all that is necessary to make a business successful. Ever hear of the story of the boy who cried wolf? Eventually he was not to be believed.

Neither did I assert that is what Obama said. Obama tried to imply that gov't was necessary for business, yet not the reverse as well. Look at what was said and what was not said in that speach. Gov't did not build that either, it required outside funding, materials and labor - which were supplied by?

 

[Campbell]

The show is supposed to be for entertainment, and that it is. Of all the court shows, her's is the only one I like because she tries to make it more like a legal program than an entertainment program. I would vote for Judge Judy for president n a heart beat.

I remember when Sarah Palin was first picked for McCain's VP pick, Judge Judy actually was very generous in saying that she will judge her on her own merit. Well, it did not take long, did it?

Again....you nailed it!

 

[sangha]

The facts are that business and private production, support gov't via taxation. At best one could say that a partnership or symbiotic relationship exists between private commerce and gov't infrastructure. Obama attempted to assert that, w/o gov't, a business could not exist and therfore owes its success more to gov't (you didn't build that), than the efforts of entrepeneurs and their employees. That could be said in reverse as well - based upon the source of taxation revenue, without which gov't could not build that either.

Wrong. Obama did not say that businesses owed more to govt than it did to private initiative

He merely pointed out that those businesses depended on infrastructure that those business owners did not build

 

[ttwtt78640]

Wrong. Obama did not say that businesses owed more to govt than it did to private initiative

He merely pointed out that those businesses depended on infrastructure that those business owners did not build

Sort of, at least that was the after spin. What gets missed is that businesses (and their resulting payroll) also provide the bulk of federal/state/local taxation funds, so they not only use infrastructure they also provide for its funding (creation and maintanence). That is why it is silly to say that businesses somehow owe more to the gov't than to their actual creators and employees. Businesses benefit the gov't and the gov't's infrastructure benefits the businesses; a win/win deal. Tax rates over 50% are inherently unfair, no matter how high the income level.

 

[sangha]

Sort of, at least that was the after spin. What gets missed is that businesses (and their resulting payroll) also provide the bulk of federal/state/local taxation funds, so they not only use infrastructure they also provide for its funding (creation and maintanence). That is why it is silly to say that businesses somehow owe more to the gov't than to their actual creators and employees. Businesses benefit the gov't and the gov't's infrastructure benefits the businesses; a win/win deal. Tax rates over 50% are inherently unfair, no matter how high the income level.

That doesn't make much sense to me. While it is true that businesses pay taxes, they didn't pay for all the infrastructure. It's also a bit hypocritical for businesses to use the fact that they do pay taxes as an argument for why they should pay less in taxes.

Bassically, Obamas' argument is what you just mentioned: That business taxes are not just something taken away from a business and instead, is something that is a win/win for business.

 

[Campbell]

That doesn't make much sense to me. While it is true that businesses pay taxes, they didn't pay for all the infrastructure. It's also a bit hypocritical for businesses to use the fact that they do pay taxes as an argument for why they should pay less in taxes.

Bassically, Obamas' argument is what you just mentioned: That business taxes are not just something taken away from a business and instead, is something that is a win/win for business.

In my opinion it's one helluva lot more than infrastructure. Ever since Nixon did away with the draft the uppercrust enjoys their liberty and their constitutional rights which are guaranteed because some young folks who can't afford an education go 10,000 miles to some god-forsaken hell hole to die and be wounded to protect it. The old values in this country have disappeared. The elite and connected know that the most they will be asked to do in make passing grades at an ivy league school. I liked it the old way.

I have a suggestion. If any young person in this country has some problem with serving three years in our military let them pay an extra $100,000 per year in federal taxes to avoid the inconvenience. Don't hold your breath. Those chicken hawk assholes in Washington also feeled they're entitled. Halliburton and Blackwater have to eat too.

 

[Jack Hays]

In my opinion it's one helluva lot more than infrastructure. Ever since Nixon did away with the draft the uppercrust enjoys their liberty and their constitutional rights which are guaranteed because some young folks who can't afford an education go 10,000 miles to some god-forsaken hell hole to die and be wounded to protect it. The old values in this country have disappeared. The elite and connected know that the most they will be asked to do in make passing grades at an ivy league school. I liked it the old way.

I have a suggestion. If any young person in this country has some problem with serving three years in our military let them pay an extra $100,000 per year in federal taxes to avoid the inconvenience. Don't hold your breath. Those chicken hawk assholes in Washington also feeled they're entitled. Halliburton and Blackwater have to eat too.

You would be surprised by the number of well-to-do young people who are serving.

 

[Campbell]

You would be surprised by the number of well-to-do young people who are serving.

Give me a break. My granddaughter's husband has pulled two tours in Iraq....lived three years in Germany where my first great grandchild was born, has been in Ft. Rucker, AL for a couple of months in warrant officer's school learning to fly helicopters and you know what? He says 9 out of every 10 folks who have any wealth on the outside are there as officers after they completed college at West Point. You damn dreamers just keep on with your Fox News bull****. Like I said....if the big wigs who believe they are entitled because of their birthright keep on thinking that way their political party is on it's way to extinction. Nearly all young folks volunteer because they can't afford to go to college.

 

[Jack Hays]

Give me a break. My granddaughter's husband has pulled two tours in Iraq....lived three years in Germany where my first great grandchild was born, has been in Ft. Rucker, AL for a couple of months in warrant officer's school learning to fly helicopters and you know what? He says 9 out of every 10 folks who have any wealth on the outside are there as officers after they completed college at West Point. You damn dreamers just keep on with your Fox News bull****. Like I said....if the big wigs who believe they are entitled because of their birthright keep on thinking that way their political party is on it's way to extinction. Nearly all young folks volunteer because they can't afford to go to college.

I myself am a one-and-a-half per center, and my son serves. So do many of the sons and daughters of my friends. Don't hate just because it makes you feel good.

 

[Campbell]

I myself am a one-and-a-half per center, and my son serves. So do many of the sons and daughters of my friends. Don't hate just because it makes you feel good.

You're really into that "The Patriots Live On" Fox News Bull ****!"

Like I said....very few of the elite interrupt their pathes from high school into their favorite institute of education to voluntarily travel 10,000 miles and put it all on the line. That's right wing propaganda attempting to hide the fact that in the early and mid seventies when Nixon stopped the draft they started hiring peons to serve in their chickenhawk wars. It's a lot easier for the lilly livered bastards to send someone else's kid who's not even old enough to buy alcohol half way around the world.

You couldn't be more wrong. This country used to keep a small number of military in uniform then when a major conflict broke out all the able bodied went and served. Now roughly 2.4 million active and reserve service members serve from a country of over 300 million - less than 1 percent. You know you're wrong but just like the rest of those up top you're reluctant to admit it because you don't want anything to change. Let the slaves keep fighting and dying or coming home with no legs. When I see these deep south Republicans holler out "Support The Troops" and even do such obvious things as sponsor a car in the NASCAR races with ARMY painted all over it I see a bunch of young millionaires who dispise income taxes and vote Republican trying their best to keep the status quo.

The Republican party and their connivances are being found out. More young people are wising up every week or month. If the trend continues they're finished. Either that or some extreme measures will have to be taken within the party. The idea of a moderate Republican doesn't even exist any longer.

 

[Jack Hays]

I'm sorry for your bitterness. I don't know much about Fox News. I'm only telling you about my experience and that of my friends. Don't project your problems onto others.

 

[Campbell]

I'm sorry for your bitterness. I don't know much about Fox News. I'm only telling you about my experience and that of my friends. Don't project your problems onto others.

Why is it that none of you people ever address the meat of a post? Another thing....who the hell do you think you are...cybershrink. The only people I'm bitter with are assholes who think their being born with money entitles them to do nothing for this country except shuffle papers and watch a monitor. I'm an old man and won't last much longer but I come from a time when people actually did their share. If people don't want to interrupt their education with any kind of inconvenience let them pay $100,000 a year to avoid it.

I was a Republican for the first 30 years of my adult life. The party used to stand for balanced budgets, small government and individual liberty. Now the only thing they stand for is corporations and the wealthy. Notice in the chart that for 50 years the wealthy paid taxes. Even with tax write offs and other schemes they still had to pay more than 14%. When I saw that in taxable year 2011 Romney made a million dollars a month after he paid his taxes I wanted to vomit. My wife and I gross about $100,000 and we pay about 14%. Question for you. He has five sons......how many of them have been in the wars? I honestly don't know.

 

[Jack Hays]

Why is it that none of you people ever address the meat of a post? Another thing....who the hell do you think you are...cybershrink. The only people I'm bitter with are assholes who think their being born with money entitles them to do nothing for this country except shuffle papers and watch a monitor. I'm an old man and won't last much longer but I come from a time when people actually did their share. If people don't want to interrupt their education with any kind of inconvenience let them pay $100,000 a year to avoid it.

I merely responded to an aspect of your post that was false in my experience. In return I was treated to an avalanche of vitriol. Why don't people respond to "the meat" of your posts? Perhaps because the exchange becomes unpleasant. As for tax fairness, I'd point out that the top 1% of earners pay 38% of federal income taxes.

 

[Campbell]

I merely responded to an aspect of your post that was false in my experience. In return I was treated to an avalanche of vitriol. Why don't people respond to "the meat" of your posts? Perhaps because the exchange becomes unpleasant. As for tax fairness, I'd point out that the top 1% of earners pay 38% of federal income taxes.

Yeah....until Reagan slashed rates to the lowest they had been in 50 years and he and Bush41 quadrupled the national debt this country used to pay it's way. Surely with the upper 1% making out like bandits ever since Reagan started you should be able to see that:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

 

[Jack Hays]

Today, BHO is responsible for about 36% of our national debt, more than any other POTUS. He is on course to be responsible for over 50%, more than all other Presidents combined, by the time he leaves office on 20 January 2017.

 

[Campbell]

Today, BHO is responsible for about 36% of our national debt, more than any other POTUS. He is on course to be responsible for over 50%, more than all other Presidents combined, by the time he leaves office on 20 January 2017.

If you knew **** you would know that spending is down under Obama. Why wouldn't it be? He's ended one Bush war and throttled down the other. The interest on the Reagan/Bushes debt was $451 billion due and payable at the end of the last Bush budget. When Reagan/Bush41 were quadrupling the debt and Bush43 was doubling it again I didn't hear a peep out of the Republicans. You didn't think all those foreign banks were loaning those trillions to Bush because they liked his looks did you?

The annual interest, unlike the debt itself has to be paid each year. Come Sept. 30th Obama will have paid it four times....or, about two trillion dollars. You do know about compounding interest I presume:


..............................ANNUAL INTEREST/NATIONAL DEBT................................

 

[Jack Hays]

If you knew **** you would know that spending is down under Obama. Why wouldn't it be? He's ended one Bush war and throttled down the other. The interest on the Reagan/Bushes debt was $451 billion due and payable at the end of the last Bush budget. When Reagan/Bush41 were quadrupling the debt and Bush43 was doubling it again I didn't hear a peep out of the Republicans. You didn't think all those foreign banks were loaning those trillions to Bush because they liked his looks did you?

The annual interest, unlike the debt itself has to be paid each year. Come Sept. 30th Obama will have paid it four times....or, about two trillion dollars. You do know about compounding interest I presume:


..............................ANNUAL INTEREST/NATIONAL DEBT................................

The wars have not been the drivers of debt. That title belongs to BHO.

 

[Campbell]

The wars have not been the drivers of debt. That title belongs to BHO.

The debt comes first.....then the interest. You know, like credit cards:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

 

[Jack Hays]

BHO has had four deficits in a row over $1T, and is on course to be responsible for more national debt than all other Presidents combined.

 

[Campbell]

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BHO has had four deficits in a row over $1T, and is on course to be responsible for more national debt than all other Presidents combined.

Hey numbnuts...spending is down under Obama. Why wouldn't it be? He's ended one of Bush's unfunded wars and has begun to throttle the other.

You folks just aren't very smart. Obama has spent nearly two trillion dollars paying interest on the Reagan/Bush debt. You really should start listening to somebody who knows more than the pricks at Fox News. The last Bush budget, fy 2008 ended Sept. 30th 2009. Add up the interest which must be paid every year since then. Let's see...$451 billion + $383 billion + 414 billion + $454 billion....before long all this **** will begin to amount to something.



..............................ANNUAL INTEREST/NATIONAL DEBT................................

 

[AlabamaPaul]

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Hey numbnuts...spending is down under Obama. Why wouldn't it be? He's ended one of Bush's unfunded wars and has begun to throttle the other.

You folks just aren't very smart. Obama has spent nearly two trillion dollars paying interest on the Reagan/Bush debt. You really should start listening to somebody who knows more than the pricks at Fox News. The last Bush budget, fy 2008 ended Sept. 30th 2009. Add up the interest which must be paid every year since then. Let's see...$451 billion + $383 billion + 414 billion + $454 billion....before long all this **** will begin to amount to something

Source?

 

[Campbell]

Source?

LMAO!! Is it too complicated for you? http://img.bfpublishing.com/RP_10_16_12.png

..............................ANNUAL INTEREST/NATIONAL DEBT................................

 

[Jack Hays]

Shout all you want. BHO is on course to own more national debt than all other Presidents combined.:spin::spin::spin::spin:

 

[Campbell]

Shout all you want. BHO is on course to own more national debt than all other Presidents combined.:spin::spin::spin::spin:

Oh I'll shout all right. Anybody who is so dense that they can't see what the massive tax cuts and never a dime cut in spending did to this country is either a dumbass or us so blinded by their greed that they'll never see it. I wonder why you think George W. Bush had to start borrowing from Communist Chinese banks for the first time in our history. You don't suppose he began to have trouble selling our **** to Japan, Germany, Canada et. al. do you? I read of one little Scandanavian country where they had bought into the Wall St. mortgage deal in the early 2000's and the whole country went bankrupt at the end of Bush's second term. In case you don't realize it the Bush policies allowed a crisis which was only exceeded one other time in our history...,.when another Republican president and the banks ****ed over the ordinary working class in the late 1920's and the early 1930's. It took eight years and a world war to come out of that one.

I repeat....In five of the last six presidential elections Democrats have won the popular vote. If you really want to help your dying party write to your leaders and tell them "This **** Ain't Working"

 

[AlabamaPaul]

LMAO!! Is it too complicated for you? http://img.bfpublishing.com/RP_10_16_12.png

Is there a particular reason you left out 2012?