RNC unanimously votes to withdraw from Commission on Presidential Debates

[j brown's body]

I can't even tell what point you are trying to make.

The statement of "the Republican Party Doesn't Even have a Platform!!!!" as stated by the poster, and the blog from the Daily Kos, is factually inaccurate.

Personally, I try to avoid citing sources where I know are either very biased, or people tend to perceive them that way. But if I ever did reference the Daily Kos, I wouldn't use such an obviously biased opinion piece.

They have that platform where Trump made them change the part about support for Ukraine.

 

[trouble13]

Same thing they did with the mainstream media, claim it's all fake news except for Fox, OAN, etc.
Same thing they did with the 2020 presidential election, claimed it was fraudulent and that its not to be trusted.

Republicans can't play by reasonable rules of conduct, they decide to blow up the system and run propaganda instead.

What is unreasonable about the two reforms the article says they requested?

 

[trouble13]

I've thought for a long time that the microphone should have an automatic cutoff tied to the timer.

Didn't they cut off Trump in one of the debates?

 

[jpn]

Didn't they cut off Trump in one of the debates?

So the very same people who called the Jan 6th attack on our Capitol “legitimate political discourse” no longer have any use for… legitimate political discourse.

Got it.

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

So the RNC wants this commission to not be partesen, and CNN Makes it soud like the RNC are the bad guys! .. Pretty pathetic.

(from the story)
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In a statement, RNC chairwoman Ronna McDaniel said the commission is "biased and has refused to enact simple and commonsense reforms to help ensure fair debates including hosting debates before voting begins and selecting moderators who have never worked for candidates on the debate stage."
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The Trump campaign attacked Scully for working for Biden roughly four decades earlier, leading the journalist to accidentally publicly reach out on Twitter to Anthony Scaramucci, Trump's short-lived White House communications director. When the outreach frustrated Republicans, Scully said he had been hacked, something he later admitted was not true. C-SPAN then placed Scully on "administrative leave" for lying.
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So it's sounds like this commission only has people who are cospiring against Trump....
Also didn't that CNN "Reporter" / "Moderator" (NOT) give Hillary the Questions before the debate?... Why yes she did....
It's so funny how CNN forgot to add this FACT ..... Must have just been another Oopsy Daisy I guess...

 

[TomFitz]

Run away! Run away!

Lest your next candidate be as big a buffoon as the last one was.

 

[j brown's body]

So the RNC wants this commission to not be partesen, and CNN Makes it soud like the RNC are the bad guys! .. Pretty pathetic.

(from the story)
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In a statement, RNC chairwoman Ronna McDaniel said the commission is "biased and has refused to enact simple and commonsense reforms to help ensure fair debates including hosting debates before voting begins and selecting moderators who have never worked for candidates on the debate stage."
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The Trump campaign attacked Scully for working for Biden roughly four decades earlier, leading the journalist to accidentally publicly reach out on Twitter to Anthony Scaramucci, Trump's short-lived White House communications director. When the outreach frustrated Republicans, Scully said he had been hacked, something he later admitted was not true. C-SPAN then placed Scully on "administrative leave" for lying.
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So it's sounds like this commission only has people who are cospiring against Trump....
Also didn't that CNN "Reporter" / "Moderator" (NOT) give Hillary the Questions before the debate?... Why yes she did....
It's so funny how CNN forgot to add this FACT ..... Must have just been another Oopsy Daisy I guess...

Its weird, but none of these things seemed to have any impact on the debates, but did you notice Trump's behavior? They don't need a moderator with him, they need a circus ringmaster.

 

[j brown's body]

Didn't they cut off Trump in one of the debates?

Yes, the candidates have time limits. Did Trump not know this, or just not care? Is it unreasonable, or is it discrimination against bombastic blowhards whose best lines might not come to them until its the other guys turn to speak?

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

Its weird, but none of these things seemed to have any impact on the debates, but did you notice Trump's behavior? They don't need a moderator with him, they need a circus ringmaster.

It's funny you think these things don't matter...

Debate Moderator Kristen Welker is a Democrat Activist. Her Parents Donated to Joe Biden - LifeNews.com

On Saturday morning, the New York Post continued to put the liberal media to shame with reporting they purposefully refuse to do (and instead accuse everyone and their uncle of being Russian assets) with a story pointing out the ties between Joe Biden’s Democratic Party and NBC White House...

www.lifenews.com

When Trump is fighting against the Media and the DEM party at the same time, one should expect him the fight twice as hard to
level the playing field.

Trump was stating facts about the Biden's Corruption and connections with Russia and China back then and Wallace was trying to cover it up with lies
or as Trump calls it FAKE NEWS.

So maybe poo-tin was waiting for Biden to get installed before he invaded for a reason....

 

[trouble13]

Yes, the candidates have time limits. Did Trump not know this, or just not care? Is it unreasonable, or is it discrimination against bombastic blowhards whose best lines might not come to them until its the other guys turn to speak?

Which would indicate that they control the mics.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

Lies about democracy, unwilling to debate. What else will the RNC do to help establish the Republican Party as the anti-democracy party?

Anti-American and anti-democracy.....they have shown the whole world their asses, trump helped them crawl out from under their rocks and say everything they had been thinking out loud. American trash, and embarrassment and threat to our nation, a cancer rotting our society. The enemy within.

 

[Peacenik]

We have put them in a catch -22. Get the votes without getting any media or news coverage. Can't get any news coverage because they aren't making a media splash or any news as 'viable. Can't get viable without getting any media or news coverage. What was Jill Stein and Howie Hawkins, or Jo Jorgenson and Gary Johnson supposed to do to get onto people's television sets so voters can decide if their ideas are worthy if media only cares about covering the horse race between the major partys?

Your demand that they prove 'relevance' is feeding into the problem, and its exactly the kind of thinking that allows the DNC and RNC total dominance and virtual veto power over the ideas we see and assess. How's about we decide that when they win the nomination, they have earned the right to be spokesman for their party's presidential platform, and we as American voters deserve to see those spokesmen right alongside the Dem and pub.

It's a few debates held in 4 years! Let them in because we need to hear what they have to say, and they have to have at least one national forum to debate on equal footing for that to happen.

It is a dilemma. There has to be some method of thinning the candidates. Otherwise there would be too many and it would be difficult to follow them all. I remember when the major party fields were large, early on in previous races. When you have a dozen or more candidates up on stage, all talking about issues, it becomes difficult to remember who they all are and what they stood for.

I think debates are a bit old fashioned, anyway, in the digital age.

I do agree that candidates should advance on the basis of their positions on issues, but sadly, most of America does not. Most Americans are not very well informed, and do not care to be. They prefer identity politics. And they want to fit in with their peer groups, so they are far more motivated by rumors and social media than by issue-based news analysis.

I would like to see an official US government internet forum (or forums) where candidates can participate and address concerns of citizens who also participate. There would have to be stringent moderation, which would be possible if it was well-funded.

Debates might be a relic of the past.

 

[dcsports]

Didn't they cut off Trump in one of the debates?

I don't remember them cutting the mike - but they always, every debate, go over time and do a certain amount of talking out of turn/taking over each other. Trump, who's more used to arguing than debating, pushed this the last, and Biden pushed back. In fairness, some of the moderators did as well, and definitely pushed Trump on follow-up questions more than some of the others. I think we ca all agree, it was just a mess.

Me, personally, I'd prefer a three way switch so that only one mike is active at a time. Neither the candidates, nor the moderator, can interrupt. a candidate gets their two minutes (or less if they choose) and it flips back to the moderator.

In general though, I question the usefulness of the formal debates. The candidates are prepped to the extreme. Most of the time, they give an answer that's what they want to say - regardless of the question.

 

[jpn]

Lies about democracy, unwilling to debate. What else will the RNC do to help establish the Republican Party as the anti-democracy party?

For supposedly being so old and senile, the GOP sure seems afraid of debating Joe Biden...

 

[dcsports]

For supposedly being so old and senile, the GOP sure seems afraid of debating Joe Biden...

That's an assumption that he'll be running again.

The debates for the past few elections have been very problematic, from feeding questions to Hillary to lopsided questioning in the last one. They're trying to renegotiate what is supposed to be a very neutral forum. It makes a lot of sense to start that process now, so that it's possible to hammer out the rules before the next presidential election cycle starts.

 

[Decypher]

Didn't they cut off Trump in one of the debates?

Did they? I seem to remember he ran over time and constantly spoke over Biden in the first debate. Then there was talk his mic would be cut if he did the same in the second debate so he refused to show up.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I truly wonder if the real reason isn't the RNC scared poopless that they'll be faced with another Trump the on stage embarrassing the hell out of many Republican voters - again.

MSN

www.msn.com

The Republican National Committee voted unanimously on Thursday to withdraw from its participation in the Commission on Presidential Debates, the organization that has long governed general-election presidential debates.

In a statement, RNC chairwoman Ronna McDaniel said the commission is "biased and has refused to enact simple and commonsense reforms to help ensure fair debates including hosting debates before voting begins and selecting moderators who have never worked for candidates on the debate stage."



The RNC claims it has not pulled its future nominees out of debates entirely.

Possibly.

On the other hand, the RNC is very likely to organize its own series of "Presidential Debates" what would be moderated by "persons of known integrity and lack of bias" (i.e. the likes of Tucker Carlson) and would then accuse the Democrats of "being afraid to face public scrutiny over their plans to steal the 2024 election".

 

[mrjurrs]

Anti-American and anti-democracy.....they have shown the whole world their asses, trump helped them crawl out from under their rocks and say everything they had been thinking out loud. American trash, and embarrassment and threat to our nation, a cancer rotting our society. The enemy within.

Seems like all R elected reps have forgotten about the "...foreign and DOMESTIC..." part of their oath of office.

 

[dcsports]

Seems like all R elected reps have forgotten about the "...foreign and DOMESTIC..." part of their oath of office.

Because they want a neutral ground for the debates?

 

[Old 'N Chill]

Did they? I seem to remember he ran over time and constantly spoke over Biden in the first debate. Then there was talk his mic would be cut if he did the same in the second debate so he refused to show up.

Everyone saw what that moron, traitor trump did in the debates. He can't debate anyone, he is too damn ignorant to speak on anything with honesty or clarity. I have no respect for him or those who still worship this inciter of the insurrection. Brainwashed cult.

 

[mrjurrs]

Because they want a neutral ground for the debates?

No because they coddle domestic threats to our country.

 

[trouble13]

Did they? I seem to remember he ran over time and constantly spoke over Biden in the first debate. Then there was talk his mic would be cut if he did the same in the second debate so he refused to show up.

I have a vauge memory of it but I seem to recall someone's mic being muted during a presidential debate.

 

[neil]

Perhaps what could be done is to form a new organization formed by the GOP and libertarians for both debate events and a primary to select a candidate to run for POTUS. The GOP candidate and the libertarian candidate debate each other, and whoever wins that primary becomes the POTUS candidate to run against the rest of the candidates offered by the Democrats, Green party, Socialist party, etc.

 

[dcsports]

No because they coddle domestic threats to our country.

That's a very weird thing to say, Anything on the topic of this thread?

 

[dcsports]

Perhaps what could be done is to form a new organization formed by the GOP and libertarians for both debate events and a primary to select a candidate to run for POTUS. The GOP candidate and the libertarian candidate debate each other, and whoever wins that primary becomes the POTUS candidate to run against the rest of the candidates offered by the Democrats, Green party, Socialist party, etc.

Or perhaps the commission on presidential debates - democrats and republicans - to address the concerns and hammer out debate rules that address the concerns.