RNC unanimously votes to withdraw from Commission on Presidential Debates

[bongsaway]

That's more than a little dishonest, especially when 'supported' by a hit piece from the daily kos. They didn't go through the formal process of hashing out a platform because THERE WAS A PANDEMIC, and attendance at the convention was dramatically slashed. They instead decided to carry the 2016 platform forward.

Lol, uh huh, that's the ticket.

 

[Helix]

I don't need to see a debate when one side is at least tacitly ok with a coup. I'm pretty much at **** it, let's just vote.

 

[party free]

Snowflakes gonna snowflake.

 

[reflechissez]

That's more than a little dishonest, especially when 'supported' by a hit piece from the daily kos. They didn't go through the formal process of hashing out a platform because THERE WAS A PANDEMIC, and attendance at the convention was dramatically slashed. They instead decided to carry the 2016 platform forward.

OMG! You actually posted this.

 

[bongsaway]

I never said to remove the moderator (I withdraw this because apparently I did say remove the moderator), randomly select a group of 100 high school debate teachers to moderate and control the microphone. Hell, give them a button and if a majority press the button because a candidate didn't answer the question, then the shock collar activates. Now you can tell me that everyone won't be watching.

They currently already go straight to their talking points because the moderators have their own agenda. They generally have a higher salary than either of the candidates.

Admit it, you got this idea from the simpsons.

 

[reflechissez]

As did Democrats, but both were drastically reduced, with much of the activity moved to virtual. Having their normal process of focus groups didn't really make sense, and the pandemic itself moved many of the other priorities to the back burner.

 

[Common Sense 1]

This is what happens when your party goes full stupid

Would be just like the democrats are now.

 

[upsideguy]

They've got a platform, they just don't want to admit it.

Rick Scott's 11 Point Plan to Rescue America

We must resolve to aim higher than those that came before us. I’ll warn you; this plan is not for the faint of heart. Read now.

rescueamerica.com

After reading Rick Scott's 11-point plan, I need a shower. I especially loved the "Democrats have given up on democracy" projection. .. It is hard to believe you could put that much BS into a single power point. .. and I have sat through a lot of pitch meetings.

 

[Peacenik]

I truly wonder if the real reason isn't the RNC scared poopless that they'll be faced with another Trump the on stage embarrassing the hell out of many Republican voters - again.

MSN

www.msn.com

The Republican National Committee voted unanimously on Thursday to withdraw from its participation in the Commission on Presidential Debates, the organization that has long governed general-election presidential debates.

In a statement, RNC chairwoman Ronna McDaniel said the commission is "biased and has refused to enact simple and commonsense reforms to help ensure fair debates including hosting debates before voting begins and selecting moderators who have never worked for candidates on the debate stage."



The RNC claims it has not pulled its future nominees out of debates entirely.

Is anybody surprised that Republicans no longer wish to have discussions on the issues facing the United States?

Republican voters are far less issue-driven than they are Republican Culture War driven.

Republican voters are less well informed; better misinformed, and more hateful of certain stereotypes.

Republican voters are more likely to believe fake news which would be easily dispelled in fair debates.

 

[Peacenik]

That's more than a little dishonest, especially when 'supported' by a hit piece from the daily kos. They didn't go through the formal process of hashing out a platform because THERE WAS A PANDEMIC, and attendance at the convention was dramatically slashed. They instead decided to carry the 2016 platform forward.

The pandemic did not stop the Democratic Party from creating a platform for 2020, which btw, resulted in winning the presidency.

Perhaps it was a big mistake for Republicans to simply say they would support whatever Trump said, but then again, maybe that was their best chance, seeing what passes for a Republican voter these days...

Racists, xenophobes, Christian power brokers, government haters, anarchists, those who refuse to pay their fair share of tax support for the US government, and a few traditional conservative Republicans holding their nose as they vote.

 

[Rexedgar]

Off topic, I hear the GA Senatorial Debate Commission, (if there is one,) is watching events unfold…….

 

[Peacenik]

You guys are definitely missing the real opportunity here. That Commission is the product of negotiation between the DNC, and the RNC. The one thing they could all agree on, let's keep out the Libertarians, the Green Party, the Constitutional party, and the Workers party candidates! The only real opportunity for smaller parties to get any real time in American's homes, to market their ideas, their candidates came once every four years and it inevitably required a lawsuit against this commission that was a total loser of a lawsuit.
The real reason Sanders registered as a Dem, and sought the Dem nomination originally, was so that media might be forced to present to his Social Democrat ideas (read Green Party) if they came from a member of the two party duopoly.

This may be the time to really push hard for a Presidential debate that is inclusive of much broader set of candidates, platforms and visions than just that stale self interested duopoly represented by an elephant and a donkey!

If the RNC won't participate, then the Democrat can debate the Libertarian, Constitutional and the Green Party candidate instead! Can you imagine Biden or Harris having to be prepared to defend their policies, their platform from attacks on both the left and the right? And don't doubt that the RNC will not want the Libertarian candidate gaining political gravitas and exposure speaking as the new voice of conservatism for three debates right before election.

Why the hell not, Americans need exposure to some fresh ideas that have not been diluted, or altered by the Republican and Democrat parties

If other party candidates get enough traction in time they should be included. If not, then they should not. It would be good to have wider debate in the beginning, but if those small-party or no-party candidates do not get votes then they need to bow out early and let the viable candidates delve deeper into the prescient issues.

 

[Peacenik]

I never said to remove the moderator (I withdraw this because apparently I did say remove the moderator), randomly select a group of 100 high school debate teachers to moderate and control the microphone. Hell, give them a button and if a majority press the button because a candidate didn't answer the question, then the shock collar activates. Now you can tell me that everyone won't be watching.

They currently already go straight to their talking points because the moderators have their own agenda. They generally have a higher salary than either of the candidates.

The candidates would not agree to a shock collar but it sure would be a good development. I get so tired of hearing great questions being left unanswered as the candidate simply dodges it and shifts into preprepped talking points.

 

[Peacenik]

They win "news" narratives so they know they don't need debates.

If they can call it a win to turn everything into a culture war.

 

[justabubba]

Very hard to debate policy when the republican party doesn't have a platform.

At the 2020 Republican National Convention, the GOP achieved something that no major party had managed in nearly a century: They failed to come up with a platform. In fact, “failed” is a bit of a misnomer because it implies that there was an effort to find some common ground from which the Republican Party could generate a list of items it offered to the public, or a set of legislation that it hoped to pass in the following years. That didn’t happen.

The Republican platform for 2022

At the 2020 Republican National Convention, the GOP achieved something that no major party had managed in nearly a century: They failed to come up with a platform. In fact, “failed” is a bit of a misnomer because it implies that there was an effort to...

www.dailykos.com

They're PAC supports a platform based on Utah's but it is not the platform of the republican party. I find it amazing that this kind of shit passes for politics today.

the 2020 GQP platform was to support whatever agenda the cult leader established
not a surprising cult decision
but one that causes "fleece" to become a double entendre

 

[justabubba]

That's more than a little dishonest, especially when 'supported' by a hit piece from the daily kos. They didn't go through the formal process of hashing out a platform because THERE WAS A PANDEMIC, and attendance at the convention was dramatically slashed. They instead decided to carry the 2016 platform forward.

such an excuse as was offered above is a prime example of the alt:right being without any legitimate excuses for their stupid decisions

it's not as if they could have done like other groups and collaborated on a topic remotely, over the internet

 

[dcsports]

OMG! You actually posted this.

That was kind of my feeling seeing any point being supported by a blog from the daily kos.

 

[dcsports]

The pandemic did not stop the Democratic Party from creating a platform for 2020, which btw, resulted in winning the presidency.

They have a different system - prepared by the nominee's campaign, as opposed to using focus groups, etc. It didn't win them the presidency. They didn't run on it. Their platform was 'beat Trump'.

Perhaps it was a big mistake for Republicans to simply say they would support whatever Trump said, ...

[partisan nonsense removed]

That wasn't what they did.

 

[Taylor]

The way the Democrats have been running things, what's there to debate?

Biden approval hits low point, loses youth and minority voters

(The Center Square) – President Joe Biden’s approval rating has reached a new low point, new polling shows, as the administration deals with rising inflation, high gas prices, and foreign

www.djournal.com

 

[btthegreat]

If other party candidates get enough traction in time they should be included. If not, then they should not. It would be good to have wider debate in the beginning, but if those small-party or no-party candidates do not get votes then they need to bow out early and let the viable candidates delve deeper into the prescient issues.

We have put them in a catch -22. Get the votes without getting any media or news coverage. Can't get any news coverage because they aren't making a media splash or any news as 'viable. Can't get viable without getting any media or news coverage. What was Jill Stein and Howie Hawkins, or Jo Jorgenson and Gary Johnson supposed to do to get onto people's television sets so voters can decide if their ideas are worthy if media only cares about covering the horse race between the major partys?

Your demand that they prove 'relevance' is feeding into the problem, and its exactly the kind of thinking that allows the DNC and RNC total dominance and virtual veto power over the ideas we see and assess. How's about we decide that when they win the nomination, they have earned the right to be spokesman for their party's presidential platform, and we as American voters deserve to see those spokesmen right alongside the Dem and pub.

It's a few debates held in 4 years! Let them in because we need to hear what they have to say, and they have to have at least one national forum to debate on equal footing for that to happen.

 

[BrotherFease]

This shouldn't shock anyone. The GOP has no real ideas to speak of. It's all about bowing down to the Game Show Host and obsessing over transgender people and critical race theory. No ideas. Just pound the table on irrelevant cultural war "issues". McDaniel's explanation was pretty laughable too. Looks like it'll be another 4 years before I will vote Republican again. Keep it coming guys. Show me how low the bar can go.

 

[reflechissez]

That was kind of my feeling seeing any point being supported by a blog from the daily kos.

You said this:

That's more than a little dishonest, especially when 'supported' by a hit piece from the daily kos. They didn't go through the formal process of hashing out a platform because THERE WAS A PANDEMIC, and attendance at the convention was dramatically slashed. They instead decided to carry the 2016 platform forward.

There's no cleaning that up.

 

[dcsports]

You said this:

There's no cleaning that up.

There is no cleaning up the Daily Kos. Did you read the article?

 

[reflechissez]

There is no cleaning up the Daily Kos. Did you read the article?

So you were trying to be sarcastic and didn't mean what you posted? Phew. There's hope for you.

 

[dcsports]

So you were trying to be sarcastic and didn't mean what you posted? Phew. There's hope for you.

I can't even tell what point you are trying to make.

The statement of "the Republican Party Doesn't Even have a Platform!!!!" as stated by the poster, and the blog from the Daily Kos, is factually inaccurate.

Personally, I try to avoid citing sources where I know are either very biased, or people tend to perceive them that way. But if I ever did reference the Daily Kos, I wouldn't use such an obviously biased opinion piece.