Right Wing Hate, How to win Elections as Your Numbers Dwindle

[calamity]

The crazy we've all noticed popping up over on the Right is there for a reason. Without pulling in the haters and the conspiracy believers, they stand little chance of winning elections because the demographics are no longer in their favor.

So, instead of coming up with fresh ideas, the Right drums up fear and fans the flames of hate.

Proof? Here is a nice article laying it all out.

As patriarchal, Christian dominance fades demographically, its backlash politics have only become more vicious...

When I tell Republicans — and even some moderate Democrats — that I wrote a book about right-wing hatred, their response, often as not, is skeptical and disapproving. Politics is a rough game, they say. Romney might have his 47 percent, but just listen to all those class war tropes about the 1 percent you hear from the left. Sure, the far right has an unfortunate legacy of racism, sexism and homophobia, but Obama has a whole deck of race and gender cards that he plays. And anyway, the nuts are ultimately unimportant — national elections are decided in the middle.

All of that might be true, but the kind of hatred that I’m talking about goes way beyond ordinary politics and deep into the realm of abnormal psychology. In its full-blown manifestations, it is akin to what an ophidiophobe feels at the sight of a snake: visceral and existential; categorical and absolute. It turns on the gut certainty that your adversaries aren’t looking just to raise your taxes but to destroy your whole way of life...

Conspiratorial shibboleths are seeded throughout the GOP platform, which, among other things, gestures toward a return to the gold standard and repudiates the John Birch Society’s favorite bugaboo, the United Nations’ Agenda 21 (which Ted Cruz, a Texas Republican who is running for the U.S. Senate, calls a George Soros-financed attempt to “abolish ‘unsustainable’ environments, including golf courses, grazing pastures and paved roads”).

Fear and loathing in campaign 2012 - Salon.com

Better still, here is a book chock full of research which calls out the players, from the usual suspects to some of the new players who are as yet unknown to those of us in the greater public.

The New Hate: A History of Fear and Loathing on the Populist Right is a 2012 political science and public affairs non-fiction book by writer and editor Arthur Goldwag, published by Pantheon Books. The book discusses the history of conspiracy theories among right-wing populists in the United States, in particular what Goldwag considers personalized economic conspiracy theories driven by fear and hate within the radical right and the contemporary Tea Party movement.

...Goldwag covers conspiracy theories espoused by various groups and traces their shared historical precedents. Theorists covered in the book include the birthers, the Birchers, and conservative talk radio hosts and politicians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New...Populist_Right

Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky - Book - eBook - Random House

 

[Dickieboy]

The crazy we've all noticed popping up over on the Right is there for a reason. Without pulling in the haters and the conspiracy believers, they stand little chance of winning elections because the demographics are no longer in their favor.

Curious, if they stand little chance of winning what is the purpose of denigrating them? Is this the typical exhibition of tolerance the 'left' is so proud of?

 

[clownboy]

Curious, if they stand little chance of winning what is the purpose of denigrating them? This this the typical exhibition of tolerance the 'left' is so proud of?

No, it's a tactic. The republicans used to do it to the dems all the time, now the pendulum has swung and the dems are doing it to the republicans. It'll be the dems turn again soon.

As for this, this is the same thread topic posted at least once every week by one or another of our more extremely biased members.

 

[APACHERAT]

>"Sure, the far right has an unfortunate legacy of racism,..."<

I thought Arthur Goldwag was on to something then I realised that the KKK was founded by the Democrat Party and was the militant arm of the Democrat Party for over a hundred years. That sounds like a legacy.

La Vos de Azlan are racist but they are all Democrats. The National Council of La Raza (The RACE) are known to be racist but they are all Democrats.

Was FDR a Republican or a Democrat when he signed the order to intern Japanese Americans in 1942 during WW ll ?

>"Go to a meeting of white nationalists, and you’ll quickly learn that their deepest fears are demographic."<

Since I never attended a "white nationalist" meeting am I suppose to assume that Arthur Goldwag does attend "white nationalist" meetings or is he just a liar and doesn't attend "white internationalist" meetings and just making things up ?

Arthur Goldwag sounds like your typical leftist hate monger.

 

[fmw]

No, it's a tactic. The republicans used to do it to the dems all the time, now the pendulum has swung and the dems are doing it to the republicans. It'll be the dems turn again soon.

As for this, this is the same thread topic posted at least once every week by one or another of our more extremely biased members.

So disreputable tactics are acceptable on both sided as long it is for political power?

 

[calamity]

Curious, if they stand little chance of winning what is the purpose of denigrating them? Is this the typical exhibition of tolerance the 'left' is so proud of?

So, what's your point? Spreading hate is never good. Appealing to the worst of the least intelligent among us is what the Right is doing---you know those who cling to their guns, religion and racial prejudices.

 

[calamity]

>"Sure, the far right has an unfortunate legacy of racism,..."<

I thought Arthur Goldwag was on to something then I realised that the KKK was founded by the Democrat Party and was the militant arm of the Democrat Party for over a hundred years. That sounds like a legacy.

La Vos de Azlan are racist but they are all Democrats. The National Council of La Raza (The RACE) are known to be racist but they are all Democrats.

Was FDR a Republican or a Democrat when he signed the order to intern Japanese Americans in 1942 during WW ll ?

>"Go to a meeting of white nationalists, and you’ll quickly learn that their deepest fears are demographic."<

Since I never attended a "white nationalist" meeting am I suppose to assume that Arthur Goldwag does attend "white nationalist" meetings or is he just a liar and doesn't attend "white internationalist" meetings and just making things up ?

Arthur Goldwag sounds like your typical leftist hate monger.

Why because it's sounds Jewish?

 

[ksu_aviator]

Anyone read the article? I fully expected it to be signed by Fox Molder.

It sure is easy to dismiss your opponents by trying to invalidate all of their arguments through demagoguery.

 

[MaggieD]

So, instead of coming up with fresh ideas, the Right drums up fear and fans the flames of hate.

You mean like the right's "War on Women?" That the right is going to cut Social Security? Those kinds of fears?? Please.

 

[beerftw]

You mean like the right's "War on Women?" That the right is going to cut Social Security? Those kinds of fears?? Please.

people like him claim the right cant win,yet try to defame the right at any and every turn.

of course someone who wasnt afraid of the opposite side winning would have simply had tostick to issues.in reality people like him are scared,because just through historic evidence and trends,the republicans will win 2016,and 2020 brfore the democrats win the white house again.

 

[CanadaJohn]

The crazy we've all noticed popping up over on the Right is there for a reason. Without pulling in the haters and the conspiracy believers, they stand little chance of winning elections because the demographics are no longer in their favor.

So, instead of coming up with fresh ideas, the Right drums up fear and fans the flames of hate.

Proof? Here is a nice article laying it all out.



Better still, here is a book chock full of research which calls out the players, from the usual suspects to some of the new players who are as yet unknown to those of us in the greater public.

I'm curious - as a self-proclaimed "centrist" have you ever posted a thread that is anything other than something Debbie Wasserman-Schultz would be proud to call her own?

 

[calamity]

I'm curious - as a self-proclaimed "centrist" have you ever posted a thread that is anything other than something Debbie Wasserman-Schultz would be proud to call her own?

I've stated many times why I'm no longer Republican. THe GOP moved too far Right, and it moved into the territory of ugly racist, homophobic and anti-ethnic crazy. THe D's moved towards towards the Center. Of course, it's always good if the GOP keeps em honest. THe crazier the GOP gets, the less likely it is that the D has a decent counterbalance.

 

[calamity]

1. You mean like the right's "War on Women?" 2. That the right is going to cut Social Security? Those kinds of fears?? Please.

1. Real.
2. Read Paul Ryan's Plan.

 

[MaggieD]

1. Real.
2. Read Paul Ryan's Plan.

No, thanks. If you'd like to show that Paul Ryan had a War on Women and was going to cut the benefits of SS recipients now collecting it, feel free.

 

[CanadaJohn]

I've stated many times why I'm no longer Republican. THe GOP moved too far Right, and it moved into the territory of ugly racist, homophobic and anti-ethnic crazy. THe D's moved towards towards the Center. Of course, it's always good if the GOP keeps em honest. THe crazier the GOP gets, the less likely it is that the D has a decent counterbalance.

With that kind of delusional view of Republicans, I'm pretty sure they're probably not too broken up you're no longer claiming to be one of them.

 

[calamity]

Anyone read the article? I fully expected it to be signed by Fox Molder.

It sure is easy to dismiss your opponents by trying to invalidate all of their arguments through demagoguery.

Are you saying this is "made up"?

Most of all, Obama has dark skin. Let’s face it: Racism is infinitely more resonant than recondite monetary theories and tall tales about black helicopters. The thought that Obama really is an affirmative action president — earnest and full of good intentions but hopelessly over his head (“When you’re not that bright, you can’t get better prepared,” as John Sununu, the former New Hampshire governor and Romney campaign co-chair put it after Obama’s poor showing at the Denver debate) — might have even resonated, albeit guiltily and uneasily, with some of his disappointed supporters. Donald Trump’s latest publicity stunt — offering to donate $5 million to charity if the president releases “his college records and applications and if he gives his passport applications and records” — plays off the presumption that Obama is hiding something (the bad grades that would prove that he is a beneficiary of affirmative action, an application as a foreign student or something “funny” about his passport that vindicates the birthers’ suspicions).

I think Goldwag nails it. The Right has a screw loose...Trump is proof.

 

[calamity]

With that kind of delusional view of Republicans, I'm pretty sure they're probably not too broken up you're no longer claiming to be one of them.

Me and millions of others who gave Obama two terms. Had the Right not sprung nutjob Palin on us, I might have voted McCain, say if he had Lieberman as a running mate.

I voted for our governor, BTW. He's an R. Same with our Atty General. It's just that on a local level, the R's aren't as crazy as they are nationally.

 

[calamity]

No, thanks. If you'd like to show that Paul Ryan had a War on Women and was going to cut the benefits of SS recipients now collecting it, feel free.

:roll: I wonder about you sometimes Maggie. Are you a real woman or do you just play one on the internet?

War on women:

Ryan co-sponsored a new fetal personhood bill, the “Sanctity of Human Life Act,” this time without his buddy Todd “legitimate rape” Akin, which includes a provision to allow rapists to sue their victims to prevent them from terminating any resulting pregnancy.

Via ThinkProgress:

Despite the deep unpopularity of fetal personhood bills in 2012, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) has again decided to cosponsor the Sanctity of Human Life Act, a bill that gives full legal rights to human zygotes from the moment of fertilization.

[...]

The personhood bill, first introduced in 2011 by Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.) and reintroduced by Broun last week, specifies that a “one-celled human embryo,” even before it implants in the uterus to create a pregnancy, should be granted “all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood.”
Congressman Paul Ryan’s war on rape suvivors continues

 

[MaggieD]

:roll: I wonder about you sometimes Maggie. Are you a real woman or do you just play one on the internet?

War on women:

Good Lord. What on EARTH is he thinking??

I'm actually from Mars, Calamity.

That's almost as bad as the legislation that allows a female rapist to sue her victim for child support. (Legal in at least 31 states.)

 

[ksu_aviator]

Are you saying this is "made up"?


I think Goldwag nails it. The Right has a screw loose...Trump is proof.

Seriously? You want your Trump Card to be Donald Trump? (sorry I couldn't resist).

In all seriousness, that's your proof? Donald Trump offering money to see Obama's report card? That proves anyone that believes other than you do has a screw loose?

By that token, can we also lump every leftist in with the Red Army Faction? Or maybe we lump together all left leaning citizens with the truthers? Anecdotal evidence is not proof.

 

[sangha]

By that token, can we also lump every leftist in with the Red Army Faction?

Yes, you can....

...when that member of the Red Army Faction runs for the nomination as president in the democratic primaries or another dem candidate for president says they might pick a Red Army Faction member as vice president.

Both sides have nuts. The difference is, the republicans want to vote their nuts into office.

 

[Fisher]

If the left keeps going after people of faith, there will be a day all them brown faces they are depending upon for the future might go another way.

 

[ecofarm]

It bothers me to think that anyone would consider Trump a candidate. I don't care if it's dems trolling repubs or a repubs trolling dems, it just ain't right.

 

[Dickieboy]

So, what's your point? Spreading hate is never good. Appealing to the worst of the least intelligent among us is what the Right is doing---you know those who cling to their guns, religion and racial prejudices.

My 2 points are quite obvious:

1. If you are so certain that 'they stand little chance of winning elections' it would seem a waste of time denigrating them other than for the purpose 'spreading hate' as you call it...which as you state accurately is 'never good'. So why do you do it?

2. The 'non-right' claims to be the tolerant ones but when you point out 'those who cling to their guns, religion and racial prejudices' it would appear that you are not tolerant at all and reveal YOUR own prejudices...

It is quite obvious to those of us who aren't blinded by partisanship...try a mirror.

 

[ksu_aviator]

Yes, you can....

...when that member of the Red Army Faction runs for the nomination as president in the democratic primaries or another dem candidate for president says they might pick a Red Army Faction member as vice president.

Both sides have nuts. The difference is, the republicans want to vote their nuts into office.

So Donald Trump was the Republican option in the general election?