RFK Jr., the most dangerous nepo baby in American history, testified today not under oath

[Jezcoe]

I think that is what they are actually trying to prove or disprove.

RFK Jr has no interest in disproving his beliefs.

Lot's of anecdotal evidence since the mid 80's to support that claim.

No actual evidence. That’s the point.

I'm glad that they are FINALLY looking into it personally. If they are not the issue, then onto something else to disprove.
Science, go figure.

They never had studies for quite a few of the vax the kids get today btw.

It has been looked at ad naseum for a couple of decades on an international level.

To believe that vaccines cause autism is to believe that the global medical establishment is lying.

The "scientific community" is not pushing back. He has huge support.

From who?

Those with fiscal interest in the jab are pushing back. The ones that are "anything but Trump" are also pushing back.

RFK Jr has a fiscal interest in litigating against vaccines.

 

[NolanVoyd]

I think that is what they are actually trying to prove or disprove.


Lot's of anecdotal evidence since the mid 80's to support that claim.
I'm glad that they are FINALLY looking into it personally. If they are not the issue, then onto something else to disprove.
Science, go figure.

Why are you so gullible?

Link between autism and vaccination debunked​

Autism-vaccine link debunked

Vaccinations are an important way to keep your child healthy. Read about a study that dispels the myth that vaccines cause autism.

www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org

The "scientific community" is not pushing back. He has huge support.

Another lie

Medical groups sue HHS, Kennedy over COVID vaccine policy changes

www.cidrap.umn.edu

RFK Jr. faces fierce pushback from coalition of health professionals, scientists

Thousands of physicians are mobilizing, hoping to derail Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s confirmation. The question is whether Republican senators will care.

www.msnbc.com

 

[Michael Cole]

I find it astonishing that many in this country STILL think a covid vaccine recommendation for children makes any sense whatsoever. Did we learn nothing at all!!!

What did you learn?

And frankly, the fact that kids get 76 vaccines by age 18 is ludicrous! There is something very wrong with that picture.

What is your magic number, and how did you determine this?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

RFK Jr is a mad man. His deceased father, mother, uncles, and aunts would roll over in their graves if they had to listen to this lunatic.

OATHS ARE MEANINGLESS in this country ever since people stopped being punished for violating them.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Nope. I mean all the law suites he has done against big pharma and Monsanto.

One kinda has to research to sue. Only the courts can determine a "fact" and he won.

So you cant list his qualifications?

And cite the lawsuots he has won.

 

[Lutherf]

agree it is estimates/speculations
However, JFKjr. seemed to not be familiar with those papers.

I get it. The answer could have been better but I'm sure not going to fault the guy for being unfamiliar with irrelevant information.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Oh?

Our results show that there is a systematic over-reporting of COVID-19 when reported as underlying cause of death, when compared to Influenza and Pneumonia during the same period. The average over-reporting factor is about 2.5 to 3 for all ages. We also observe that for ages 15 to 54 the over-reporting factor ranged from 2 to 3.5 between 2020 and 2022, which is higher than for younger and older individuals. For older individuals, the over-reporting factor ranged from 1.9 to 3, while for younger individuals the over-reporting factor ranged from 1.1 to 2.8​

. . .​

death “with” COVID-19 versus “from” COVID-19.​

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/380538521_Estimate_of_the_COVID-19_over-reporting_bias_as_underlying_cause_of_death_in_the_USA

Highlighting: "there is a systematic over-reporting of COVID-19 when reported as underlying cause of death" and "death “with” COVID-19 versus “from” COVID-19."

Apparently the statistical analysis of the results supports what I've posted, specifically the lack of consistent differentiation between "death “with” COVID-19 versus “from” COVID-19."

I'd say that this highlighted difference is significant, for one, and, anyone ignores that significant difference is pushing forward what does amount to the over reporting COVID related deaths.

The hard part is to figure out why people want to over report COVID deaths this way, why would they want to make it look like COVID was far worse than it was, I mean it was bad enough already. Why make it out to be worse? What's the point of that?


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Research and analysis confirm that official COVID-19 death tolls were significantly underreported globally and in the United States. The most reliable method for determining the pandemic's true toll has been by measuring "excess deaths".
Excess deaths are the total number of deaths from all causes that exceed the number of deaths expected during a normal, non-pandemic time period. By this measure, studies consistently show the pandemic's true death count was dramatically higher than official COVID-19 records.
Key evidence of underreporting

• World Health Organization (WHO) estimates: A May 2022 WHO report estimated 14.9 million excess deaths worldwide by the end of 2021. This was 2.7 times higher than the 5.42 million officially reported COVID-19 deaths during the same period.
• Studies in the United States: Research in the U.S. has found a large gap between official COVID-19 fatalities and excess deaths. For example, one analysis found that during the first two years of the pandemic, there were between 130,000 and 412,000 more excess deaths than officially reported COVID-19 deaths.
• International disparities: India was highlighted by the WHO as a country with a vastly higher estimated death toll than officially reported. The WHO estimated 4.74 million pandemic deaths in India in 2020 and 2021, compared to the country's official 481,000 deaths.

Reasons for underreporting

• Limited testing and diagnosis: Early in the pandemic, a lack of testing meant many people died at home or in other settings without a confirmed COVID-19 diagnosis, so the cause was missed on death certificates.
• Misclassification of cause of death: Even with a diagnosis, doctors may have cited other contributing factors on a death certificate instead of COVID-19. This was more common early on when the full clinical effects of the disease were not yet understood.
• Impact of healthcare disruptions: Deaths from other conditions, such as heart disease or chronic illnesses, increased during COVID-19 surges. These can be considered an indirect effect of the pandemic, with people delaying or forgoing medical care out of fear or due to overwhelmed hospitals.
• Geographic disparities and political factors: Studies in the U.S. found that undercounting was more significant in rural areas and in counties with lower community awareness or political bias against acknowledging the pandemic.
• Lack of reliable data: Many lower-income countries lack the infrastructure to accurately register and report all deaths, especially during a crisis.
• Lag in reporting: Provisional data can be incomplete for weeks or months, even in countries with advanced systems.

Why excess deaths are the better metric
While excess deaths do not provide the exact cause of death, they offer a more comprehensive measure of the total human toll of the pandemic. Official COVID-19 death counts only capture direct confirmed cases, while excess mortality accounts for both direct COVID-19 fatalities and deaths from its indirect effects.

 

[mike2810]

I get it. The answer could have been better but I'm sure not going to fault the guy for being unfamiliar with irrelevant information.

ok.
Still won't give the guy a pass. imo, he is not qualified to be in the position he has.

 

[Michael Cole]

To be fair, any paper suggesting that X number of lives were saved by the vaccine would be purely speculative. It isn't clear that we even have good numbers for the number that died FROM Covid as opposed to the number that died WITH Covid.

We have the death rates from the vaccinated and unvaccinated. This is all we need to conclude the efficacy of the vaccine.

 

[Greenbeard]

But he's right. We are the sickest country in the world more chronic diseases and the CDC did absolutely nothing they probably are benefiting off of suffering.

MAHA, it turns out, is a sham.

NIH cancels funding for landmark diabetes study at a time of focus on chronic disease

The Trump administration has canceled funding for an ongoing 30-year, nationwide study tracking patients with prediabetes and diabetes, researchers said, at a time when top officials have emphasized their determination to curb the incidence of such chronic conditions.

Investigators working on the landmark Diabetes Prevention Program found out last week that the National Institutes of Health has halted funding for the project.

Trump Administration Blocks Funding for CDC Health Programs

WASHINGTON—The Trump administration is blocking funding for a swath of public-health programs run by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the latest flashpoint in a push by the White House to withhold money already approved by Congress. . .

These include youth violence prevention programs, research on preventing gun injuries and deaths and efforts targeting diabetes, chronic kidney disease and tobacco use.

Big Cities Health Coalition (BCHC) joins nearly 70 organizations to reject the proposed elimination of CDC’s National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion

The President’s FY 2026 budget proposal would eliminate the National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion (NCCDPHP) at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). This proposal undermines the Secretary of Health and Human Services’ (HHS) stated goal to measurably reduce chronic disease in America.

The American Diabetes Association’s Statement on Protecting Access to Health Care Coverage and Nutrition Assistance Programs for People with Diabetes and Obesity

“The ADA urges Congress to reject the harmful Medicaid and SNAP cuts being considered in the budget reconciliation bill. We urge Congress to extend the Affordable Care Act premium subsidies for hard-working middle-class Americans. If enacted as proposed, Congress would significantly alter financing structures for Medicaid and SNAP, shift significant costs to states, and jeopardize health care access and hunger and nutrition assistance for millions of people with diabetes. We encourage Congress to support policies that strengthen Medicaid and SNAP, and our health care and food assistance systems overall, to ensure that all individuals and families with low incomes—particularly those living with chronic conditions like diabetes—can receive the health care they need to live and manage their disease.”

 

[eohrnberger]

Research and analysis confirm that official COVID-19 death tolls were significantly underreported globally and in the United States. The most reliable method for determining the pandemic's true toll has been by measuring "excess deaths".
Excess deaths are the total number of deaths from all causes that exceed the number of deaths expected during a normal, non-pandemic time period. By this measure, studies consistently show the pandemic's true death count was dramatically higher than official COVID-19 records.
Key evidence of underreporting

• World Health Organization (WHO) estimates: A May 2022 WHO report estimated 14.9 million excess deaths worldwide by the end of 2021. This was 2.7 times higher than the 5.42 million officially reported COVID-19 deaths during the same period.
• Studies in the United States: Research in the U.S. has found a large gap between official COVID-19 fatalities and excess deaths. For example, one analysis found that during the first two years of the pandemic, there were between 130,000 and 412,000 more excess deaths than officially reported COVID-19 deaths.
• International disparities: India was highlighted by the WHO as a country with a vastly higher estimated death toll than officially reported. The WHO estimated 4.74 million pandemic deaths in India in 2020 and 2021, compared to the country's official 481,000 deaths.

Reasons for underreporting

• Limited testing and diagnosis: Early in the pandemic, a lack of testing meant many people died at home or in other settings without a confirmed COVID-19 diagnosis, so the cause was missed on death certificates.
• Misclassification of cause of death: Even with a diagnosis, doctors may have cited other contributing factors on a death certificate instead of COVID-19. This was more common early on when the full clinical effects of the disease were not yet understood.
• Impact of healthcare disruptions: Deaths from other conditions, such as heart disease or chronic illnesses, increased during COVID-19 surges. These can be considered an indirect effect of the pandemic, with people delaying or forgoing medical care out of fear or due to overwhelmed hospitals.
• Geographic disparities and political factors: Studies in the U.S. found that undercounting was more significant in rural areas and in counties with lower community awareness or political bias against acknowledging the pandemic.
• Lack of reliable data: Many lower-income countries lack the infrastructure to accurately register and report all deaths, especially during a crisis.
• Lag in reporting: Provisional data can be incomplete for weeks or months, even in countries with advanced systems.

Why excess deaths are the better metric
While excess deaths do not provide the exact cause of death, they offer a more comprehensive measure of the total human toll of the pandemic. Official COVID-19 death counts only capture direct confirmed cases, while excess mortality accounts for both direct COVID-19 fatalities and deaths from its indirect effects.

Yes, acknowledged that there are two ways to count COVID cases, one which is 'death “with” COVID-19' versus ' “from” COVID-19'.
Further acknowledged that there are two points of view within the scientific and medical communities on this question.

So my post earlier was accurate, depending on which method of counting the cases being used, and contrasting the other method of counting.

What far more interesting to me is what I also posted, which was:

why people want to over report COVID deaths this way, why would they want to make it look like COVID was far worse than it was, I mean it was bad enough already. Why make it out to be worse? What's the point of that?​

Care to shed some light on this question? Or just pass on it?

 

[NolanVoyd]

Yes, acknowledged that there are two ways to count COVID cases, one which is 'death “with” COVID-19' versus ' “from” COVID-19'.
Further acknowledged that there are two points of view within the scientific and medical communities on this question.

So my post earlier was accurate, depending on which method of counting the cases being used, and contrasting the other method of counting.

What far more interesting to me is what I also posted, which was:

why people want to over report COVID deaths this way, why would they want to make it look like COVID was far worse than it was, I mean it was bad enough already. Why make it out to be worse? What's the point of that?​

Care to shed some light on this question? Or just pass on it?

Lol.

You didnt read.

 

[CimpleMan]

Kennedy to link Tylenol use in pregnancy to autism, WSJ reports

U.S. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. plans to announce that use of Kenvue's popular over-the-counter pain medication Tylenol in pregnant women is potentially linked to autism, The Wall Street Journal reported on Friday, citing people familiar with the matter, without including evidence...

www.reuters.com

Going to claim there's a link between Tylenol use by pregnant women and Autism.

 

[CLAX1911]

So you like an ex drug addict who is a conspiracy theorist that fires all real doctors and replaces them with quacks.

No, fire all the prostitutes and hire real doctors

Good for you. MAGA! Let’s get back to measles, mumps, chickenpox and polio. BTW, the reason this nation is so sick is because we don’t have universal healthcare…Duh

No it's not.

 

[Captain Adverse]

You do realize that OVER A MILLION AMERICANS DIED of Covid? And that it is an ever-evolving NEW disease? And that over 300 people still die every week from this thing?

So, the numbers say. Although I was arguing in this very forum that back when this was occurring, such statistics often counted anyone who died of any cause while suffering from the infection. That it was also mostly affecting two classes of victims: 1. the elderly with preexisting co-morbidities, and 2. the very young with the same issue of pre-existing co-morbidities. In both cases typically a pre-existing breathing issue like asthma, lung disease due to smoking, obesity, etc. That the average healthy citizen would suffer no more than cold or flu-like symptoms that their body's immune system would easily overcome.

That is a 9/11 attack every two months. Can you FREAKING IMAGINE WHAT THE U.S. WOULD DO IF THE MUSLIMS WERE DOING A 9/11 ATTACK AGAINST US EVERY TWO MONTHS FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS? THEY WOULD BE BOILING PEOPLE'S EYES OUT BECAUSE THEY FOUND A KORAN IN THEIR CLOSET.

Hyperbolic assertions have no place in such discussions. They only serve as appeals to emotion rather than rational evaluation.

 

[CLAX1911]

Healthier societies have universal healthcare.

I think it's more to do with our food than some political nonsense

 

[CLAX1911]

He's not right.
He swims in raw sewage.

So the US doesn't have the highest rate of chronic illness?

 

[Schweddy]

RFK Jr has no interest in disproving his beliefs.

Opinion, can't prove either way.

No actual evidence. That’s the point.

Exactly, there was never studies in the first place. Why not actually do their job and review?
What if?

What if a vax was also a cure for something else that >50+ folks never got?

It has been looked at ad naseum for a couple of decades on an international level.

No, they haven't. That's the entire point.

To believe that vaccines cause autism is to believe that the global medical establishment is lying.

I think we are looking at it from different perspectives.
Are the vax mfg trying to kill us? Nope.
Is the medical establishment lying? Unlikely, they never looked at them in the first place.
Is there $ incentives for doctors to give vax? Yes. It has been said that kid doctors get up to 40% of their income from vaccination grants.

RFK Jr has a fiscal interest in litigating against vaccines.

It's called being an attorney.

 

[Schweddy]

So you cant list his qualifications?

And cite the lawsuots he has won.

Not my burden in this argument. Your claim is that he isn't qualified.

The only reason given was that he is anti-vax. He is not anti-vax.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Not my burden in this argument. Your claim is that he isn't qualified.

Because he has no qualifications for this job.

You said he is the most qualified but cant back it up.

 

[Schweddy]

Going to claim there's a link between Tylenol use by pregnant women and Autism.

We will find out on the 18th, which is when he said he was giving a report about autism.

Wouldn't it be interesting if that was the loaded gun and not a vax for ADHD & Austism?

 

[CimpleMan]

We will find out on the 18th, which is when he said he was giving a report about autism.

Wouldn't it be interesting if that was the loaded gun and not a vax for ADHD?

Assuming you're talking about 2 day ACIP meeting that's planned. Vaccines recommendations will be the focus so would imagine many will be interested in what is said in those meetings.

Interesting to is Republican Senator believes should be postponed.

 

[Citizen]

No, fire all the prostitutes and hire real doctors

No it's not.

If children don’t get vaccinated, what do you think is going to happen to them? And yes, he hired quacks to replace real doctors

 

[Mika-El]

When they cut basic research, and leave all the research to companies that are focused on the profit to be made, they're hiding cures.

That is exactly what Trump is doing via this dolt RFK Jr.

 

[j brown's body]

We will find out on the 18th, which is when he said he was giving a report about autism.

Wouldn't it be interesting if that was the loaded gun and not a vax for ADHD & Austism?

What do you want to bet its filled with old, discredited ideas?