Revolution in the US?

[AmericanHero]

Given the current circumstances in the United States, it seems quite reasonable that the American people are upset with the government. With the country in extreme amounts of debt and a struggling market, things aren’t looking good. The world has given us examples of the next generation going out and overthrowing the government to institute a more just and helpful government for its people. What is to say that the young people of the United States couldn’t do the same? The task might not be easy, but neither was the first revolution of this great country. I would like to open it to debate. How do people feel about revolting from the current government and instituting a new one? Can it even be done with a country this size? Would we get invaded? Or would we succeed and be able to wipe away all our debts to the Chinese and finally have a stable growing country again. Its been a long time America, but now is your time.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Given the current circumstances in the United States, it seems quite reasonable that the American people are upset with the government. With the country in extreme amounts of debt and a struggling market, things aren’t looking good. The world has given us examples of the next generation going out and overthrowing the government to institute a more just and helpful government for its people. What is to say that the young people of the United States couldn’t do the same? The task might not be easy, but neither was the first revolution of this great country. I would like to open it to debate. How do people feel about revolting from the current government and instituting a new one? Can it even be done with a country this size? Would we get invaded? Or would we succeed and be able to wipe away all our debts to the Chinese and finally have a stable growing country again. Its been a long time America, but now is your time.

Nothing creates stability, economic growth and long term debt payment more effectively then to wage armed insurrection against your own government that was elected in a free and fair election.

 

[MKULTRABOY]

It wouldnt be a revolution itd be an anarchist revolt with no direction, collectively the people who currently would destroy the govenrment are too schizoidally divided to know what the hell they would do if they could build a new government. And who the hell would invade us?

 

[atrasicarius]

Did someone say revolution?

Alright, I'm all set. Where do we sign up?

 

[Khayembii Communique]

a free and fair election.

lolwut

tencharacters

 

[MKULTRABOY]

lolwut

tencharacters

Hay it beats the 2000 election, at least the president now was elected by the ever so slight majority and didn't practically steal the election.

 

[Canell]

eace

 

[PzKfW IVe]

Hay it beats the 2000 election, at least the president now was elected by the ever so slight majority and didn't practically steal the election.

Are you people STILL beatng this dead horse?
Gore lost, fair and square, according to the rules in place on election day.

 

[PzKfW IVe]

There won't be a revolutiuon in the usual sense of the word.
The economy will collapse, society will collapse, and then the government will collapse.
At that point, ammunition will be the only valid currency.

 

[tessaesque]

I think you over-estimate the drive of the current generation of "young people". The kids in school right now were raised as part of the "everybody's a winner, he's not responsible for his actions, don't punish my child" generation. Most of them aren't yet equipped to handle the "real world" as a whole, let alone take part in a high-stakes, high-stress, leader-starved revolution of any kind.

 

[PzKfW IVe]

I think you over-estimate the drive of the current generation of "young people". The kids in school right now were raised as part of the "everybody's a winner, he's not responsible for his actions, don't punish my child" generation. Most of them aren't yet equipped to handle the "real world" as a whole, let alone take part in a high-stakes, high-stress, leader-starved revolution of any kind.

These people, should they survive the collapse, will be chattel.

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

Instead of just dismissing this absurd idea, I would like to utilize this thread as a chance to rebuke those "we need a revolution" types.

1) Causing a revolution is highly unlikely in the US. Not only does it have one of the best military in the world, it would take staggering amounts of money, weapons, manpower, logistics, communications, all the basic necessities of war to even hope for a chance at a revolution

2) The comparison to the US revolution is absurd. The 13 colonies were fighting in their home turf, against a country that is hundreds of kilometers away, a country that already had much of its military and resources committed to other places, and the US had the help of a powerful country. Given these circumstances and the technology of that age, it's a wonder the war dragged on for so long, instead of a quick US victory. Granted, the 13 colonies didn't have the fraction of resources, manpower, and weapons Great Britain had, yet considering the months that were needed to even supply their own troops, the US should have won handily.

3) The claims of a socialist, undemocratic government are absurd. Just take a trip to North Korea, Russia, Iran, or any of those oppressive countries, then talk. The US government will look almost like heaven. Not a reasonable cause to start a revolution against a good, democratic government that has a good history of running the US.

4) A revolution will most likely lead to economic, social, and political instability which will look like anarchy, nor is it granted that the successor government will be better than the current government. In fact, it will almost be impossible for various, uncountable reasons, and it is merely an idealistic dream that it will happen

There are many other reasons as why a revolution won't, will not, and should not happen, and I will happily elaborate if anybody has any questions, but these 4 are the main reasons why such a revolution is merely a dream

 

[Ikari]

Nothing creates stability, economic growth and long term debt payment more effectively then to wage armed insurrection against your own government that was elected in a free and fair election.

We have free and fair elections!?

 

[Risky Thicket]

How does that thing go, "If you're going to start a revolution you'd better love eating rats." I don't think they mean C-Rats either.

It's too late anyway. The only way to change the system is to use the system to beat the system. That isn't very likely as America has become so polarized and unwilling to compromise and/or shelve non-essential issues. Everyone may agree that everyone in Washington DC drags teeth, but few would/could agree on how/who/when should be replaced. "Why", you may find a consensus on why or something close. Beyond that **** would get bogged down on issues such as:

abortion
prayer in schools
war on terror
war on drugs
healthcare

Sound familiar? Revolution doesn't have a freaking chance. Revolutionaries would be so mired in minutia they'd never do more than organize loosely into armed mobs who don't trust each other.

Look at the Tea Party. They had a few good ideas in the beginning. I don't agree with all of the ideas, but initially you had to notice their effort. How long did it take before the crazies poured into the Tea Party and turned it into Teabaggers and Teavangelicals. Now the Tea Party sounds like a radical wing of the GOP. It's mobbed up with religionists and lunatics. Once the Tea Party was about basic economic and political freedom. Not now. It's funded by corporatists and largely populated with suckers, dummies and fools, Patriots for Jesus, and the few who still hold to the initial pure party beliefs have been marginalized and shouted out by the "Get A Clue, Morans". Imagine this gaggle, this cluster**** being the core of an armed revolution! That's what you're going to get if you start your own armed camp of disenfranchised citizens. It'll look very similar to an angry mob of Teabaggers.

The ballot box is the best way to change the system. That takes real balls. It requires that you STOP VOTING FOR THE INCUMBENT, regardless. Few Americans have the balls to do it and because of that we are stuck with the same system of self serving bastards who have destroyed this country.

 

[atrasicarius]

I think you over-estimate the drive of the current generation of "young people". The kids in school right now were raised as part of the "everybody's a winner, he's not responsible for his actions, don't punish my child" generation. Most of them aren't yet equipped to handle the "real world" as a whole, let alone take part in a high-stakes, high-stress, leader-starved revolution of any kind.

I disagree. I think most young people have become extremely jaded and cynical about the political system, and the future in general. Our entire political experience is essentially 8 years of Bush, and then the false hope of Obama. We're pissed off, and we have no faith in the system.

 

[TurtleDude]

Hay it beats the 2000 election, at least the president now was elected by the ever so slight majority and didn't practically steal the election.

UH OH a

 

[atrasicarius]

Instead of just dismissing this absurd idea, I would like to utilize this thread as a chance to rebuke those "we need a revolution" types.

1) Causing a revolution is highly unlikely in the US. Not only does it have one of the best military in the world, it would take staggering amounts of money, weapons, manpower, logistics, communications, all the basic necessities of war to even hope for a chance at a revolution

If the military gets involved on the side of the government, the revolution is finished. Even a two bit dictator has enough military power to crush an uprising, and the US isn't exactly a two bit country. I'm not convinced the military ever would become involved, though. Remember, no one thinks a revolution is possible here. In my opinion, it's more likely to look like the collapse of the Soviet Union, where the whole thing just falls apart without any shots being fired.

3) The claims of a socialist, undemocratic government are absurd. Just take a trip to North Korea, Russia, Iran, or any of those oppressive countries, then talk. The US government will look almost like heaven. Not a reasonable cause to start a revolution against a good, democratic government that has a good history of running the US.

It's not about the government being oppressive, it's about people being kicked out of the houses and not having enough to eat. What you need for a revolution are angry people with nothing to lose.

4) A revolution will most likely lead to economic, social, and political instability which will look like anarchy, nor is it granted that the successor government will be better than the current government. In fact, it will almost be impossible for various, uncountable reasons, and it is merely an idealistic dream that it will happen

There are many other reasons as why a revolution won't, will not, and should not happen, and I will happily elaborate if anybody has any questions, but these 4 are the main reasons why such a revolution is merely a dream

The most likely, and in my opinion most favorable outcome would be the country splitting. We're just too polarized as it is. We'd never be able to form a new national government. The best solution is for everyone to get their own piece of the country and run it the way they want.

 

[VanceMack]

I disagree. I think most young people have become extremely jaded and cynical about the political system, and the future in general. Our entire political experience is essentially 8 years of Bush, and then the false hope of Obama. We're pissed off, and we have no faith in the system.

Yeah! If they ever come out with a "revolution" video game...man...they will be all up in that!!!

 

[atrasicarius]

Yeah! If they ever come out with a "revolution" video game...man...they will be all up in that!!!

I think you'd be surprised, man. Look at England. We'll catch on eventually, and when we do, it'll be even nastier than it was over there.

 

[tessaesque]

I think you'd be surprised, man. Look at England. We'll catch on eventually, and when we do, it'll be even nastier than it was over there.

Yeah, that was a prime example of a successful, productive revolt against government. What with destroying businesses and costing job-producers thousands of dollars.

 

[atrasicarius]

Yeah, that was a prime example of a successful, productive revolt against government. What with destroying businesses and costing job-producers thousands of dollars.

No, it wasn't. Things weren't nearly bad enough over there for an actual revolution. In fact, it's probably good that they got it out of their system now, so that if things get really bad over there, they'll be less likely to have an actual revolution. Think that, times ten. At least. All you really need for a successful revolution is the majority of the population deciding they don't really want to live under the current system anymore.

 

[Paschendale]

I disagree. I think most young people have become extremely jaded and cynical about the political system, and the future in general. Our entire political experience is essentially 8 years of Bush, and then the false hope of Obama. We're pissed off, and we have no faith in the system.

This. Very much so. Most young folks right now have no working memory of a politician who was respected. I was 14 when GWB entered the white house after unquestionably criminal means in Florida. The ugliness in current politics is the only way I've ever seen it done. My only knowledge of the economy has been watching corporate interests slowly dismantle all stability in America over the last decade. People my age realize that the generation that's currently in charge has basically gutted any chance we had at success on our own. Our futures were gambled away, stolen in the form of massive corporate bonuses, and we are the ones who are going to have to pay off this massive debt we've been saddled with. From the moment we reached adulthood, we've had the burden of fixing all the massive abuses of the past. We're the first generation in modern history that is going to inherit a worse world from our predecessors. Thanks a lot, greedy self-serving capitalist @$$holes.

And even we aren't going to engage in violent rebellion. But we would appreciate it if all the fat blowhards who screwed things up in the first place would stop all their whining and complaining and tea partying.

 

[U.S. Socialist.]

It's possible. The conditions for it are certainly approaching. To quote John Steinbeck's "The Grapes of Wrath"

"And the great owners, who must lose their land in an upheaval, the great owners with access to history, with eyes to read history and to know the great fact: when property accumulate****s in too few hands it is taken away. And that companion fact: when a majority of the people are hungry and cold they will take by force what they need. And the little screaming fact that sounds through all history: repression works only to strengthen and knit the repressed. The great owners ignored the three cries of history. The land fell into fewer hands, the number of dispossess****ed increased, and every effort of the great owners was directed at repression****."

 

[U.S. Socialist.]

I disagree. I think most young people have become extremely jaded and cynical about the political system, and the future in general. Our entire political experience is essentially 8 years of Bush, and then the false hope of Obama. We're pissed off, and we have no faith in the system.

If i could I'd like this a 100 times. That describes me perfectly. Obama was my first vote and after his betrayal, I really have no faith in our current political system to do what is needed for the people.

 

[atrasicarius]

If i could I'd like this a 100 times. That describes me perfectly. Obama was my first vote and after his betrayal, I really have no faith in our current political system to do what is needed for the people.

Pretty much all the kids I know just take it for granted that the system is ****ed. It's not even a thing that's debated. Even the ones who don't pay attention to politics know the system is broken and isn't gonna get fixed. In fact, a lot of the so called political ignorance among our generation is because we know the whole thing is just a song and dance routine and doesn't make a difference in the long run.