Reuters: It Wasn't an Insurrection After All- Just a "Mostly Peaceful Protest

[LostinThought]

In a nutshell, the problem we're grappling with is that, besides death threats, bodily harm, and property damage, there seems to be no law against storming public governmental buildings. So, in this case, the lady is guilty of federal trespassing and making a death threat. And, we can't punish them going backwards because America has no ex post facto laws. That said, there really DOES need to an update to the federal penal code.

It's like trying to say hacking someone's computer is illegal, but not having a penal code that defines what "Hacking" is -- oh wait.

Well the problems are is that her quote is after the fact of the riot. If she were in the throws of climbing through a window at the capital and screaming that, yeah.

As it is, I think they're still cycling through people and allocating charges. But the most severe ones are basically through for now apparently.

 

[Puigb]

Alright, here's a question.

What defines a liberal?

Not you.

 

[PoliSciPulse]

Not you.

Though for a more serious question, what is the difference between a liberal, a progressive, and a Democrat? I know you can also have a liberal progressive Democrat, and these get confused in my head as to when to use each term.

 

[code1211]

Did Pence greet the terrorists, or run & hide in an undisclosed bunker?

I don't know if he ever runs or did run that day.

Did he say he heard them chanting and that his resulting actions were dictated by the chanting crowd?

I don't recall seeing a report of this.

 

[code1211]

And, a number of them invaded the captiol building with the express intention of distrupting the certification of an election. That's all that matters.

And a number of them invaded the Capitol with the express intent of taking a selfie.

As with almost EVERYTHING any Partisan Democrat EVER talks about, you are making a mountain out of molehill.

In passing the folks at the rally were there to peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Some exhibited poor judgement. Are you asserting that anyone who exhibits poor judgement in Washington DC be imprisoned?

 

[jpevans]

It was explained that since she made that statement after leaving the Capitol building, the chances of proving things in court were very slim.

So to protect the prosecutors win/lose record? That's kinda BS, IMO. The judge even questioned the plea deal. Seems like they have been setting an example in favor of the Insurrectionist.

 

[jpevans]

And a number of them invaded the Capitol with the express intent of taking a selfie.

As with almost EVERYTHING any Partisan Democrat EVER talks about, you are making a mountain out of molehill.

In passing the folks at the rally were there to peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Some exhibited poor judgement. Are you asserting that anyone who exhibits poor judgement in Washington DC be imprisoned?

Excuse me? The former guy told them if they didn't fight, they wouldn't have a (fascist) country anymore*. That as terrorist they were an incompetent group of riff raff doesn't forgive the criminal intent.
*paraphrased

 

[jpevans]

I don't know if he ever runs or did run that day.

Did he say he heard them chanting and that his resulting actions were dictated by the chanting crowd?

I don't recall seeing a report of this.

He made it to the bunker before the lynch mob reached the Chamber. If your going to parse the gait he moved, shows you got nothing of substance to offer.

 

[code1211]

Excuse me? The former guy told them if they didn't fight, they wouldn't have a (fascist) country anymore*. That as terrorist they were an incompetent group of riff raff doesn't forgive the criminal intent.
*paraphrased

Your distortion and dishonesty are noted. Why do people who hate so vehemently require to tell lies, even to themselves, to maintain their hate?

If you respond to this post, THAT is the question I would REALLY like an answer for.

These are Trump's calls to action from his speech actually spoken in the real world:

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I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capital building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

<snip>

We’re going to try to give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take our country back.

So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.

I want to thank you all. God bless you and God bless America.

Thank you all for being here. This is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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[code1211]

He made it to the bunker before the lynch mob reached the Chamber. If your going to parse the gait he moved, shows you got nothing of substance to offer.

I'm only trying to understand the source and depth of your misconceptions and if you have any foundation in the real world for the erroneous views you embrace so strongly.

 

[RAMOSS]

Your distortion and dishonesty are noted. Why do people who hate so vehemently require to tell lies, even to themselves, to maintain their hate?

If you respond to this post, THAT is the question I would REALLY like an answer for.

These are Trump's calls to action from his speech actually spoken in the real world:

<snip>

I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capital building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

<snip>

We’re going to try to give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take our country back.

So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.

I want to thank you all. God bless you and God bless America.

Thank you all for being here. This is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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I see you are very narrowly cherry picking. One sentence ouf of hundreds, and many weeks of pushing for violence. His own lawyer said "Trial by combat' , and Trump said many things to inflame his followers. Many in fact said they thought they were following Trump's instructions.

 

[The AntiDonald]

And a number of them invaded the Capitol with the express intent of taking a selfie.

As with almost EVERYTHING any Partisan Democrat EVER talks about, you are making a mountain out of molehill.

In passing the folks at the rally were there to peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Some exhibited poor judgement. Are you asserting that anyone who exhibits poor judgement in Washington DC be imprisoned?

If that poor judgment includes rioting at the capitol, hell yes. A peaceful protest would have been confined to the areas outside the capitol behind the barricades. The capitol was closed to the public with posted signs. As soon as they breached the first police barricade it became an unlawful riot.

So yes, everyone of those MFers should have been arrested and jailed accordingly. Letting people off on these stupid misdemeanors with probation sends the wrong message.

And peaceful assembly doesn't include baseball bats, bear spray, make shift spears and military gear. You ain't fooling no one dude. They were there to stop the electoral count and that in itself is a felony. Obstruction of Congress, which many are being charged with.

 

[LostinThought]

Not you.

I'm sorry, that's not what defines a liberal.

I'll give you one more go at it.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Mostly peaceful protest?

Let's see now .... 5 dead, 144 police injured, $1.5 million in Capitol damages, and 540 arrests (more to come).

Your view of "peaceful" is very different than the view of most Americans.

1 dead, a peaceful protestor murdered by an affirmative action hire. Likely on a racial basis.

1.5 million, because the government contracts everything to be as expensive as possible. It’s unlikely 1.5 million in actual damages occurred.

 

[code1211]

I see you are very narrowly cherry picking. One sentence ouf of hundreds, and many weeks of pushing for violence. His own lawyer said "Trial by combat' , and Trump said many things to inflame his followers. Many in fact said they thought they were following Trump's instructions.

"Many" is an interesting word.

"Many" would indicate that there were "many".

We KNOW that of the 30,000 or so mostly peaceful demonstrators, only about 40 or so did anything that could reasonably be defined as being violent.

Is 40 "many"? If so, by what standard?

40 out of the millions who voted for Trump? Out of the 30,000 or so in attendance? Even out of the 600 or so that actually walked over to the Capitol?

By any reasonable standard, there were not "many" doing anything outside of what Trump asked the folks to do. "Many" didn't even do what he asked. More "many" than the "many" who did.

The very, very few that did engage in any mischief were very likely acting on their own and, in passing, doing so mostly as individuals in non-group actions.

Definition of MANY

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[code1211]

If that poor judgment includes rioting at the capitol, hell yes. A peaceful protest would have been confined to the areas outside the capitol behind the barricades. The capitol was closed to the public with posted signs. As soon as they breached the first police barricade it became an unlawful riot.

So yes, everyone of those MFers should have been arrested and jailed accordingly. Letting people off on these stupid misdemeanors with probation sends the wrong message.

And peaceful assembly doesn't include baseball bats, bear spray, make shift spears and military gear. You ain't fooling no one dude. They were there to stop the electoral count and that in itself is a felony. Obstruction of Congress, which many are being charged with.

You are suffering from your propaganda induced delusions of insurrection.

There were 30,000 people in attendance and there are about 40 individuals charged with actions beyond something like "parading".

Even THOSE charges are, in most of the cases, a stretch. That poor guy in the Chewbacca Bikini got jailed and has remained jailed since the day of his arrest.

So far, posters on your side of this stupidity have noted that there were three broken windows and a scratched door.

Costs to repair were first quoted at $30 million with that quote now reduced to $1.5 million. In passing, I replace 6 windows in my house for about $3100.00. 100% more windows for 0.2% of the cost. C'mon, man!

I'd be glad to act as the general contractor to replace the three windows replaced after this mostly peaceful protest.

Here is a good article to help define the level of the theft and dishonesty routinely conducted by our lying thieves:

Federal ‘COVID’ Spending Just Hit $41,870 Per Taxpayer. Did You See That Much in Benefit?

President Biden just signed his sweeping $1.9 trillion spending package into law. Once this bill hits the books, total taxpayer expenditure on (ostensibly) COVID relief will hit $6 trillion—which, roughly estimated, comes out to $41,870 in spending per federal taxpayer. Did you see anywhere near...

fee.org

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In the latest $1.9 trillion package, more than 90 percent of the spending is not directly related to containing COVID-19. Only 1 percent of the money, about $15 to $20 billion, is spent on vaccines. Meanwhile, hundreds of billions go to bailing out poorly managed state governments’ budget holes that predate the pandemic and $86 billion rescues failing pension plans. Meanwhile, billions more go to Obamacare expansion and subsidizing public schools long after the pandemic.
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[jpevans]

Trump was also a natural extension of polarization that was growing since at least the George W. Bush years. And Trump's first impeachment was arguably a repayment for Clinton's impeachment, etc.

Politicians in Washington (And hopefully not us because of them ) get locked in a never-ending cycle of retribution. I imagine it will stop once we start getting to retributions for things most of the public thinks is petty.

Drumpf was a natural extension of, hey we had a black President, lets go the other way with a racist person in the WH.

 

[jpevans]

Well the problems are is that her quote is after the fact of the riot. If she were in the throws of climbing through a window at the capital and screaming that, yeah.

As it is, I think they're still cycling through people and allocating charges. But the most severe ones are basically through for now apparently.

As there were few arrests on 1/6 we can't know what type of weapon she had on her person, if any. It is extremely hard to put a bullet in a persons brain manually.

 

[jpevans]

Your distortion and dishonesty are noted. Why do people who hate so vehemently require to tell lies, even to themselves, to maintain their hate?

If you respond to this post, THAT is the question I would REALLY like an answer for.

These are Trump's calls to action from his speech actually spoken in the real world:

<snip>

I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capital building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

<snip>

We’re going to try to give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take our country back.

So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.

I want to thank you all. God bless you and God bless America.

Thank you all for being here. This is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you.

<snip>

I posted the complete transcript, as if you care.

 

[jpevans]

I'm only trying to understand the source and depth of your misconceptions and if you have any foundation in the real world for the erroneous views you embrace so strongly.

Everybody funny, you funny too. John Lee Hooker

 

[The AntiDonald]

You are suffering from your propaganda induced delusions of insurrection.

There were 30,000 people in attendance and there are about 40 individuals charged with actions beyond something like "parading".

Even THOSE charges are, in most of the cases, a stretch. That poor guy in the Chewbacca Bikini got jailed and has remained jailed since the day of his arrest.

So far, posters on your side of this stupidity have noted that there were three broken windows and a scratched door.

Costs to repair were first quoted at $30 million with that quote now reduced to $1.5 million. In passing, I replace 6 windows in my house for about $3100.00. 100% more windows for 0.2% of the cost. C'mon, man!

I'd be glad to act as the general contractor to replace the three windows replaced after this mostly peaceful protest.

Here is a good article to help define the level of the theft and dishonesty routinely conducted by our lying thieves:

Federal ‘COVID’ Spending Just Hit $41,870 Per Taxpayer. Did You See That Much in Benefit?

President Biden just signed his sweeping $1.9 trillion spending package into law. Once this bill hits the books, total taxpayer expenditure on (ostensibly) COVID relief will hit $6 trillion—which, roughly estimated, comes out to $41,870 in spending per federal taxpayer. Did you see anywhere near...

fee.org

<snip>
In the latest $1.9 trillion package, more than 90 percent of the spending is not directly related to containing COVID-19. Only 1 percent of the money, about $15 to $20 billion, is spent on vaccines. Meanwhile, hundreds of billions go to bailing out poorly managed state governments’ budget holes that predate the pandemic and $86 billion rescues failing pension plans. Meanwhile, billions more go to Obamacare expansion and subsidizing public schools long after the pandemic.
<snip>

Most of what you said there is true. I have always said the charges are all too lenient. How much do you think the fencing contractors and the multiple police agencies overtime cost? How about all the medical care for the 140 officers injured? None of it necessary were it not for the rioters. How much do you think the prosecutions and court time costs? My guess is if someone could calculate the entire thing, it would much exceed 30 million dollars.

You keep spinning everything to protect your God Trump. That's fine, however, most people know what happened.

And what happened at the capitol has nothing to do with Covid related expenses. Nice try though.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Was there a lynching?

Fortunately they were not able to reach Mike Pence or any other target of their wrath.

Does being unable to carry out the act absolve them in your eyes?

 

[Lycanthrope]

That as terrorist they were an incompetent group of riff raff doesn't forgive the criminal intent.

This.

 

[LostinThought]

As there were few arrests on 1/6 we can't know what type of weapon she had on her person, if any. It is extremely hard to put a bullet in a persons brain manually.

At best all we have is speculation. Honesty, I think this is just being talked about because there is very little else to cover about the capital riot. And with the committee still doing it's thing, it's going to be a good while still.

 

[RAMOSS]

"Many" is an interesting word.

"Many" would indicate that there were "many".

We KNOW that of the 30,000 or so mostly peaceful demonstrators, only about 40 or so did anything that could reasonably be defined as being violent.

Is 40 "many"? If so, by what standard?

40 out of the millions who voted for Trump? Out of the 30,000 or so in attendance? Even out of the 600 or so that actually walked over to the Capitol?

By any reasonable standard, there were not "many" doing anything outside of what Trump asked the folks to do. "Many" didn't even do what he asked. More "many" than the "many" who did.

The very, very few that did engage in any mischief were very likely acting on their own and, in passing, doing so mostly as individuals in non-group actions.

Definition of MANY

consisting of or amounting to a large but indefinite number; being one of a large but indefinite number… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

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that, of course, is misinformation, since a lot more have been accused of assaulting police officers.