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Rethinking gay marriage...

Being wise is to be able to sagaciously discern the means, motives, and actions of men. Essentially, it is making the right choices.

Interesting. I must inquire of your wisdom. Please explain to me how intuitively accepting as absolute a scripture which was compiled 1,600 hundred years before you were born from ancient texts that were written by politically motivated individuals, is the right choice? And while doing so, I know a cult leader who livers down the street who has a book that he claims was written by God, and if I intuitively believe he is correct, would my choice be more or less right than your choice since it is also based on blind faith?
 
I'm on my second marriage, and I've not hidden it from my Church. I go almost every week.....

It did result in excommunication from the church until 1977 in the US. So, we are both right. My grandmother was excommunicated for getting a divorce and remarried to a different man but she could have gone back to the church after 1977.
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Catholics are supposed to ask the church for an annullment through the church prior to getting a divorce in order to be able to remarry in the church.


Like I said, you can call yourself whatever you like, but if your beliefs are not consistent with the Church, then you're just not being honest.

Almost no one will believe everything exactly like the church does. And there are examples from history where the church's position changes with new knowledge and the times. Most Catholics do not believe in young Earth theories. All the Catholics I know believe that evolution and the origin of man coexist and both are plausible together. This belief has changed over time.

One of the things that I have noticed is that many Catholics differ on their belief on what pergatory is. Some believe that it is a holding place, others a place to redeem yourself for your sins if you aren't truly bad enough to go to hell but not quite good enough for heaven. And still others believe that a person can stay in pergatory for eternity, rather than heaven or hell.

The thing about any faith is how close a person believes with the tenets set down by that religion. It does not mean that a person who claims a faith must believe everything that that particular faith espouses.
 
Well, according to the bible, both are equidistant.

Feel free to expand upon your point further, especially your version of the Bible's descriptions of Hell.

BTW, do you take the Bible literally in every respect?
 
Do you understand the ancient biblical phrase: "wolves in sheep's clothing"? Consider it.

Yeah, I used that phrase to describe people who spread hate about people using the guise of religion.
 
Well, according to the bible, both are equidistant.

According to the Bible, man came before animals. Do you believe that?

In fact, when people like you come along I'm just going to start asking them a list of questions from the Bible to see exactly how much of it they actually believe.

Can a man survive in the belly of a fish?
Do you believe in talking serpents?
Do you believe that every human living today is descended from Noah?
 
According to the Bible, man came before animals. Do you believe that?


Ummm... CT... that's not accurate. In Genesis, God created birds and sea creatures on the 5th day, and land animals on the 6th day before creating man.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
 
Feel free to expand upon your point further, especially your version of the Bible's descriptions of Hell.

BTW, do you take the Bible literally in every respect?

In a nutshell, Hell is a place outside of Gods love. Heaven is the opposite. The punishment, as I understand it, is being denied heaven, not being "physically" tortured. No, I do not take everything in the bible literally, but nor do I attempt to find loopholes to justify behavior I know to be against god.
 
Out of curiosity, do you oppose state-sanctioned SSM, and if so, why?

I don't oppose Civil Unions. I believe using the word Marriage is insulting and is little more than a ploy by the "secularists" to down play organized religions in the US.

I believe in the separation of Church and state, and from a secular standpoint, don't see how Civil Unions can be illegal for anything other than religious reasons. I do believe we have the right to have morality in our laws, but we don't have the right to push belief through law.
 
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According to the Bible, man came before animals. Do you believe that?

In fact, when people like you come along I'm just going to start asking them a list of questions from the Bible to see exactly how much of it they actually believe.

Can a man survive in the belly of a fish?
Do you believe in talking serpents?
Do you believe that every human living today is descended from Noah?

"People like you"?

What am I like?
 
Just a random thought...if the traditional family is so important to God, then why is God a single parent?
i accually think the devil is god's mate hence the need for the devil to agree that love is the way.
 
You project your image of God and Christianity based on your whims and feelings, not on Scripture. I may as well say that heaven is a place with free candy, because I feel it so.
mine has as much validity as yours.
 
In a nutshell, Hell is a place outside of Gods love. Heaven is the opposite. The punishment, as I understand it, is being denied heaven, not being "physically" tortured. No, I do not take everything in the bible literally, but nor do I attempt to find loopholes to justify behavior I know to be against god.
so the loophole justifying condeming gods children from practicing said love is against god correct?
 
From what I understand from the bible, "All loving" doesn't mean "anything goes."
i'm sorry mac but if it isn't "anything goes" as you put it that implies god is not an ALL loving god and there are those god dose not love and accually hates which is against god imo and contradictory. my god is not a hypocrate either imo god has no choice god HAS to love everyone god is love and love is god but it is JUST my opinon.
 
so the loophole justifying condeming gods children from practicing said love is against god correct?

It's not a loophole. Free will is spelled out fairly well. People have the right to condemn themselves, as far as I'm concerned.
 
i'm sorry mac but if it isn't "anything goes" as you put it that implies god is not an ALL loving god and there are those god dose not love and accually hates which is against god imo and contradictory. my god is not a hypocrate either imo god has no choice god HAS to love everyone god is love and love is god but it is JUST my opinon.

This is also spelled out pretty well in the bible. It's called repentance and forgiveness.
 
You project your image of God and Christianity based on your whims and feelings, not on Scripture. I may as well say that heaven is a place with free candy, because I feel it so.
please tell me how "my god is an all loving god" goes against scripture?
 
I don't oppose Civil Unions. I believe using the word Marriage is insulting and is little more than a ploy by the "secularists" to down play organized religions in the US.

I believe in the separation of Church and state, and from a secular standpoint, don't see how Civil Unions can be illegal for anything other than religious reasons. I do believe we have the right to have morality in our laws, but we don't have the right to push belief through law.


Thank you for your answer.

May I ask why you think the use of the word "marriage" is insulting and a ploy by secularists?
 
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