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Republicans to attack healthcare law funding

Thu Nov 4, 2010 2:10pm EDT

McConnell takes hard line, says wants repeal

Senate Democrats: law protects against insurance abuses (Adds Democratic reaction, analysts comments)

By Richard Cowan

WASHINGTON, Nov 4 (Reuters) - U.S. congressional Republicans will try to repeal President Barack Obama's healthcare law next year but their leader in the Senate acknowledged on Thursday they will likely have to settle for far more modest changes.

Two days after Republicans scored big victories in congressional elections, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell took a hard line against Obama's landmark law and showed no sign of compromise when the new Congress opens for business in January. "We can and should propose and vote on straight repeal repeatedly" of the healthcare law, he said.

McConnell's remarks, in a speech delivered to the conservative Heritage Foundation, acknowledged that Obama would veto such legislation, which probably would be blocked by the president's fellow Democrats in the Senate anyway.

More realistically, McConnell said Republicans, who will hold a majority in next year's House of Representatives, should aim to hobble the healthcare law by "denying funds for implementation" of the measure. Annual spending bills for agencies, including ones that implement the healthcare law, are normally written first in the House.

UPDATE 2-US Republicans to attack healthcare law funding | Reuters
Now read below.....

Wednesday, February 17, 2010

Poll: Start over on health reform

A Zogby International poll released Tuesday shows that 57 percent of Americans do not like either of the competing health care bills produced by the Senate and House and say Congress should start over, as a group of bipartisan lawmakers head to a health care.

Poll: Start over on health reform - Washington Times
Near 60 percent of Americans wanted Congress to start over. Then after it passed.....

March 24, 2010 6:30 PM

Poll: Most Want GOP to Keep Fighting on Health Bill

A CBS News poll released Wednesday finds that nearly two in three Americans want Republicans in Congress to continue to challenge parts of the health care reform bill.

The poll finds that 62 percent want Congressional Republicans to keep challenging the bill, while 33 percent say they should not do so. Nearly nine in ten Republicans and two in three independents want the GOP to keep challenging. Even 41 percent of Democrats support continued challenges.

Poll: Most Want GOP to Keep Fighting on Health Bill - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
Why they thought they should press ahead with something so many Americans clearly did not want I don't know, but what happened Tuesday shouldn't be a surprise. The Republicans will attempt to carry out the will of the majority of voters. The Democrats can co-operate or continue to fight, which would likely lead to more losses for them in 2012.
 

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Yep, the voters are just beating down the doors of Congress DEMANDING that their insurers be allowed to kick them off plans after they get sick, discriminate against them for preexisting conditions. They are just FURIOUS that the government stepped in to make sure that all children have health care, and that all adults will soon be able to purchase it. :lol:

You do realize that of those people who say they don't like the bill, at least some of them are unhappy because it didn't go far ENOUGH?
 

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I have a suggestion. Let's go item by item and ask what they want removed. Would republcians find that fair?
 

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Yep, the voters are just beating down the doors of Congress DEMANDING that their insurers be allowed to kick them off plans after they get sick, discriminate against them for preexisting conditions. They are just FURIOUS that the government stepped in to make sure that all children have health care, and that all adults will soon be able to purchase it.
If you asked any number of the dozens of Dems that lost their job on Tuesday, they'd agree with you.
 

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~55% in the house.
Minority in the senate.
No white house.

MANDATE OF THE PEEEEOPPPPLLLLEEE!
 

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~55% in the house, representing largest seat gain in history
A significantly larger minority in the senate
No white house - but then, it was not up for election, else it would be.
I fixed all of that for you. You're welcome.
G'head. Ignore what the people said on Tuesday - 2012 will be a flood of red.
 

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If you asked any number of the dozens of Dems that lost their job on Tuesday, they'd agree with you.
Why would I ask them? Why would they have access to any different information than I do? :confused:
 

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Defund it.

Then send a repeal bill, including a newly written healthcare reform bill that people actually want, to Obama so he can veto it.

Then do it again, and again, and again, and again. Make Obama get that veto pen out over and over.

Then beat him by 20 points in 2012.
 

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Defund it.
Impossible.

Erod said:
Then send a repeal bill, including a newly written healthcare reform bill that people actually want, to Obama so he can veto it.
Would never even make it to Obama's desk.

Erod said:
Then do it again, and again, and again, and again. Make Obama get that veto pen out over and over.
So you'd rather that the Republicans just make asses of themselves rather than actually contributing to any useful legislation.

Erod said:
Then beat him by 20 points in 2012.
:roll:
It amazes me that partisans can always predict with such certainty the results of the next election, two years out. And somehow those predictions always seem to be a landslide in their party's favor. Hmm, how about that.
 

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Impossible.
LOL, it's basically already done. Much of it is not yet funded, and now never will be.

We'll repeal this POS when we kick him out in two years.
 

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LOL, it's basically already done. Much of it is not yet funded, and now never will be.
Actually almost all of it is entitlement spending, which is automatic and requires no congressional vote. There are a few bits and pieces of the law that are discretionary spending which could potentially be defunded...but they are small parts of the law, and aren't really that controversial.

Erod said:
We'll repeal this POS when we kick him out in two years.
Sure you will. :lol:
 

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"Victorious at the polls, congressional Republicans asserted their newfound political strength on Thursday, vowing to seek a quick $100 billion in federal spending cuts and force repeated votes on repeal of President Barack Obama's prized health care overhaul."

So, the above will be the Republican's first order of business...

1- Help our struggling economy? No, attacking President Obama is much more important. So check

2- Help regenerate jobs while providing universal and affordable job training for millions of Americans? No, however President Obama must be taught a lesson. So check


- I see a theme here folks.-


3- Help small business owners stay in business while guiding them into hiring more employees again? No, yet it's our Godly mission as Republicans to punish President Obama. So check

4- Provide the millions of Americans and our guest with affordable health coverage? God no! These poor Americans must understand if you are not wealthy you do not deserve quality health coverage. And simply screw our guests yet when our Republican lawns need trimming, it's Paulo we will call. Repeal. So check

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5- Deregulate everything President Obama helped regulate so far? Yes that is a double check. Large businesses including those in energy and finance do not need regulations; they simply need a harsh talking too....
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So, the first order of business in the house is to clearly punish President Obama. I cannot see how anyone with common sense cannot see this also. This will be a horrible situation for a president who is trying. Now he has to combat against very rich and angry Republicans who's agenda was not meant to help this struggling nation as a whole, rather to play parisian politics and bring America back to the socially, racially, politically, and economically divided country we were and always have been it seems. At least President Obama got folks to see we can be equals one day.
 

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Yep, the voters are just beating down the doors of Congress DEMANDING that their insurers be allowed to kick them off plans after they get sick, discriminate against them for preexisting conditions. They are just FURIOUS that the government stepped in to make sure that all children have health care, and that all adults will soon be able to purchase it. :lol:

You do realize that of those people who say they don't like the bill, at least some of them are unhappy because it didn't go far ENOUGH?
57% did not like the Democrats health care bill and wanted them to start OVER. Is there some part of that that's not understandable? Maybe the Democrats will hear us in 2012 after another major "shellacking" as Obama put it. 2012 is perfect as 21 Democrat Senate seats are up then.
 

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Actually almost all of it is entitlement spending, which is automatic and requires no congressional vote. There are a few bits and pieces of the law that are discretionary spending which could potentially be defunded...but they are small parts of the law, and aren't really that controversial.

Sure you will. :lol:
Both Biden and Pelosi came out publicly and said they would retain control of the House. How many seats did they lose?
 

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57% did not like the Democrats health care bill and wanted them to start OVER. Is there some part of that that's not understandable?
Yeah. Some of those 57% were people who wanted the law to do MORE, not LESS.
 

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Yeah. Some of those 57% were people who wanted the law to do MORE, not LESS.
Well, more isn't always better. Maybe the health care changes just need to be relevant and perhaps, reduce costs - like we heard the original bill was supposed to do and then we found out it didn't because it because Congress left an unprotected copy with ideological idiots in closed rooms.
 

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Well, more isn't always better. Maybe the health care changes just need to be relevant and perhaps, reduce costs - like we heard the original bill was supposed to do and then we found out it didn't because it because Congress left an unprotected copy with ideological idiots in closed rooms.
Oh please. The health care reform law is virtually identical to the law that Republican Mitt Romney passed in Massachusetts. :roll:
 

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Yeah. Some of those 57% were people who wanted the law to do MORE, not LESS.
Got any evidence from a reliable source to back that up how many or are you just talking out of your backside?

The Relevance of Biden and Pelosi is most liberals don't know a lick about what they are talking about. That must be why so few post links to reliable sources to back up their assertions.

I'll defer to Reagan on that matter.

"Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so."

- Ronald Reagan, Rendezvous with Destiny, October 27, 1964
 

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Oh please. The health care reform law is virtually identical to the law that Republican Mitt Romney passed in Massachusetts. :roll:
Yes it is and at the 4 year mark it was already in serious financial trouble.

Massachusetts Takes a Step Back From Health Care for All

By ABBY GOODNOUGH
Published: July 14, 2009

BOSTON — The new state budget in Massachusetts eliminates health care coverage for some 30,000 legal immigrants to help close a growing deficit, reversing progress toward universal coverage just as Congress looks to the state as a model for overhauling the nation’s health care system.

The affected immigrants, permanent residents who have had green cards for less than five years, are now covered under Commonwealth Care, a subsidized insurance program for low-income residents that is central to the groundbreaking health care law enacted here in 2006.

Critics of the cut, which would save an estimated $130 million, say it unfairly targets taxpaying residents and threatens the state’s health care experiment at a critical time.

“It either sends the message that health care reform cannot be done, period,” said Eva Millona, executive director of the Massachusetts Immigrant and Refugee Advocacy Coalition, “or it opens the door to doing it halfway and excluding immigrants from the process.”

Gov. Deval Patrick has proposed restoring $70 million to the program, which would partly restore the immigrants’ coverage. But legislative leaders have balked, saying vital programs for other groups would have to be cut as a result. The cut, which would affect only nondisabled adults from 18 to 65 years old, would take effect in August unless the legislature approves Mr. Patrick’s proposal.

“The governor has made a very good and compelling case relative to providing for legal immigrants,” Robert A. DeLeo, the speaker of the State House of Representatives, said Monday. “On the other hand, there is only so much money that we have.”

With tax collections down by $2.7 billion in the fiscal year that ended June 30 and still dropping, lawmakers may have no choice but to make further cuts in the $27 billion budget approved this month. That makes Mr. Patrick’s proposal all the more problematic, according to the Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation, a nonpartisan watchdog group.

If the full $130 million cut survives, hospitals that provide free care to the poor will need to spend an additional $87 million this year treating immigrants who lose their coverage, according to the Massachusetts Hospital Association. That would come on top of a $40 million cut in the state’s Health Safety Net, which reimburses such hospitals, said Tim Gens, the association’s executive vice president.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/15/us/15insure.html?_r=1
 

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Oh please. The health care reform law is virtually identical to the law that Republican Mitt Romney passed in Massachusetts. :roll:
And that one sucked too... just look at how well Mass. is doing with it.
 

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And that one sucked too... just look at how well Mass. is doing with it.
You might not LIKE Romney's law in Massachusetts, but the national law's similarity to Romney's law should indicate to you that it was not designed by a bunch of "ideological idiots" unless you consider Mitt Romney to be a radical left-wing nutjob.
 
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You might not LIKE Romney's law in Massachusetts, but the national law's similarity to Romney's law should indicate to you that it wasn't passed by a bunch of "ideological idiots" unless you consider Mitt Romney to be a radical left-wing nutjob.
You think Republicans can't be ideological idiots? LOL

First, the bill was short sighted and Washington already knew Mass. was having a problem with it. Then, to your point, they take what could have been supported by both Republicans and Democrats and turned it into a free for all bill that looked just like the problem in Mass. Great idea.... let's **** it up like Massachussets did.. yeah... and we'll do it behind closed doors so we'll have to pass it to find out what's actually in it. Brilliant!

Comon --- it's sucks and you know it. Back to my orignal point -- more is not always better. A few things could be changed to actually help our healthcare system, instead of the bill now which condemns it to rotting.
 

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Got any evidence from a reliable source to back that up how many or are you just talking out of your backside?
I didn't feel like digging too much, so here's the first Google result I got:
AP Poll: Many think health overhaul should do more - Yahoo! News

Prof. Peabody said:
The Relevance of Biden and Pelosi is most liberals don't know a lick about what they are talking about. That must be why so few post links to reliable sources to back up their assertions.

I'll defer to Reagan on that matter.
Yeah...I don't do the stupid partisan hackery stuff. I just do policy, and occasionally political analysis. If you want someone to argue with about how much liberals suck, you'll have to look elsewhere. :2wave:
 

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I didn't feel like digging too much, so here's the first Google result I got:
AP Poll: Many think health overhaul should do more - Yahoo! News

Yeah...I don't do the stupid partisan hackery stuff. I just do policy, and occasionally political analysis. If you want someone to argue with about how much liberals suck, you'll have to look elsewhere. :2wave:
The poll found that about four in 10 adults think the new law did not go far enough to change the health care system, regardless of whether they support the law, oppose it or remain neutral. On the other side, about one in five say they oppose the law because they think the federal government should not be involved in health care at all.

The AP poll was conducted by Stanford University with the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. Overall, 30 percent favored the legislation, while 40 percent opposed it, and another 30 percent remained neutral.
Your source does not validate your post that people who were opposed to it were opposed because it does not go far enough.
 
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