Republicans DO NOT Support Our Troops

[tr1414]

It's because of people like me who served & fought for their country that you can value freedom. But of cause YOU would never serve...would you?

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by tr1414:
It's because of people like me who served & fought for their country that you can value freedom. But of cause YOU would never serve...would you?

For someone who served his country, why do you live in a constant state of fear?

 

[tr1414]

lol the only thing I fear is that because of people like you, we are bending over backward as not to offend Muslims..... give me a break. WE KNOW WHO THE HEAD-CHOPPERS ARE. Send the the hell back to the **** hole they came from. But of cause people like you & the ACLU wont like that. Mark my words.... something VERY bad & big is going to happen here & THEN there will be a back lash like you wont belive. Try reading Unholy Alliance by David Horowitz, Hatred's Kingdom by Dore Gold, Militant Islam Reaches America by Daniel Pipes, Islam Unveiled by Robert Spencer, The Two Faces of Islam by Stephen Schwartz, The Crisis of Islam by Bernard Lewis, Beyond Iraq by Michael Evans, The War over Iraq by William Kristol, Prophet of Doom by Craig Winn, How to talk to a liberal (if you must) by Ann Coulter, Treason, by Ann Coulter, Slander by Ann Coulter, Shut up & Sing by Laura Ingraham, Coloring the New by William McGowan, The French Betrayal of America by Kenneth Timmerman, Bias By Bernard Goldberg, Arrogance by Bernard Goldberg, Right for the Heart by Phil Valentine, If it's Not Close They Can't Cheat by Hugh Hewitt, The Vast Left Wing Conspiracy by Byron York, Invasion by Michelle Malkin, In Defense of Internment by Michelle Malkin, When I was a Kid this was a Free Country by G. Gordon Liddy, Slouching Towards Gomorrah-Modern Liberalism & American Decline by Robert Bork, A Deficit of Decency by Zell Miller, They Think Your Stupid by Herman Cain, Weapons of Mass Distortion-The Coming Meltdown of the Liberal Media by Brent Bozell, Michael Moore is a Big Fat Stupid White Man by David Hardy, The Right Man by David Frum, G-d and Ronald Reagan by Paul Kengor, When Character was King by Peggy Noonan, Hating America by John Gibson, Men in Black by Mark Levin, The Savage Nation by Michael Savage, The Enemy Within by Michael Savage, Liberalism is a Mental Disorder by Michael Savage, The Death of the West by Patrick Buchanan, Let freedom Ring by Sean Hannity, Deliver us from Evil by Sean Hannity, The no Spin Zone by Bill O'Reilly, Who's Looking out for You? by Bill O'Reilly, Dereliction of Duty by Robert Patterson, Reckless Disregard by Robert Patterson, Mexifornia by Victor Davis Hanson, What's the Matter with Kansas? by Thomas Frank, Shakedown by Kenneth Timmerman,The future of Spacetime by Stephen Hawking, The universe in a Nutshell by stephen Hawking, Visions by Michio Kaku, The American Prophecies by Michael Evans.

That's just for starters....if some of you would READ some of the books I listed maybe your minds might open a crack..... but that might be asking too much.

I'd still like to know how many liberals served their country.... I guess they don't have the "stones" for it.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by tr1414:
lol the only thing I fear is that because of people like you, we are bending over backward as not to offend Muslims..... give me a break. WE KNOW WHO THE HEAD-CHOPPERS ARE. Send the the hell back to the **** hole they came from. But of cause people like you & the ACLU wont like that. Mark my words.... something VERY bad & big is going to happen here & THEN there will be a back lash like you wont belive. Try reading Unholy Alliance by David Horowitz, Hatred's Kingdom by Dore Gold, Militant Islam Reaches America by Daniel Pipes, Islam Unveiled by Robert Spencer, The Two Faces of Islam by Stephen Schwartz, The Crisis of Islam by Bernard Lewis, Beyond Iraq by Michael Evans, The War over Iraq by William Kristol, Prophet of Doom by Craig Winn, How to talk to a liberal (if you must) by Ann Coulter, Treason, by Ann Coulter, Slander by Ann Coulter, Shut up & Sing by Laura Ingraham, Coloring the New by William McGowan, The French Betrayal of America by Kenneth Timmerman, Bias By Bernard Goldberg, Arrogance by Bernard Goldberg, Right for the Heart by Phil Valentine, If it's Not Close They Can't Cheat by Hugh Hewitt, The Vast Left Wing Conspiracy by Byron York, Invasion by Michelle Malkin, In Defense of Internment by Michelle Malkin, When I was a Kid this was a Free Country by G. Gordon Liddy, Slouching Towards Gomorrah-Modern Liberalism & American Decline by Robert Bork, A Deficit of Decency by Zell Miller, They Think Your Stupid by Herman Cain, Weapons of Mass Distortion-The Coming Meltdown of the Liberal Media by Brent Bozell, Michael Moore is a Big Fat Stupid White Man by David Hardy, The Right Man by David Frum, G-d and Ronald Reagan by Paul Kengor, When Character was King by Peggy Noonan, Hating America by John Gibson, Men in Black by Mark Levin, The Savage Nation by Michael Savage, The Enemy Within by Michael Savage, Liberalism is a Mental Disorder by Michael Savage, The Death of the West by Patrick Buchanan, Let freedom Ring by Sean Hannity, Deliver us from Evil by Sean Hannity, The no Spin Zone by Bill O'Reilly, Who's Looking out for You? by Bill O'Reilly, Dereliction of Duty by Robert Patterson, Reckless Disregard by Robert Patterson, Mexifornia by Victor Davis Hanson, What's the Matter with Kansas? by Thomas Frank, Shakedown by Kenneth Timmerman,The future of Spacetime by Stephen Hawking, The universe in a Nutshell by stephen Hawking, Visions by Michio Kaku, The American Prophecies by Michael Evans.

That's just for starters....if some of you would READ some of the books I listed maybe your minds might open a crack..... but that might be asking too much.

I'd still like to know how many liberals served their country.... I guess they don't have the "stones" for it.

I'll read one of yours, if you read one of mine!

 

[tr1414]

So I sugest some books you might want to read & your response is to quote a NAZI. Are you comparing the U.S. government to NAZI Germany? Unreal. I said it before & I'll say it again. LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER!!!! Much more so in some then in others.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by tr1414:
So I sugest some books you might want to read & your response is to quote a NAZI. Are you comparing the U.S. government to NAZI Germany? Unreal. I said it before & I'll say it again. LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER!!!! Much more so in some then in others.

I post that quote because given the current state of affairs and examples such as yourself, the Nazis' statement seems a little prophetic.

 

[tr1414]

Do me a favor.... quote that NAZI **** to someone else... it just makes you look like a jackass. You & clown boy should get together.... as long as your both back by bed check. You guys can rant like fools all you want, I'm done. Anyone that matters knows what you guys are by now.

 

[cnredd]

I'm done

Your best quote yet....

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by tr1414:
Do me a favor.... quote that NAZI **** to someone else... it just makes you look like a jackass. You & clown boy should get together.... as long as your both back by bed check. You guys can rant like fools all you want, I'm done. Anyone that matters knows what you guys are by now.

Sleep tight. Don't let the bad bugs bite.

 

[stsburns]

We only see what we want to see, do we? Did you read the article I included? Here's the examples that conveniently didn't register while you were interpreting my post.

I guess we'll see!

Example #1:
Senate Republicans have repeatedly voted down funding increases for vets to keep pace with inflation and meet rising needs.

Veterans are people who used to be in the Military? They have served well, and will also reap the benefits when getting civilian jobs, because they have many skills they can get a job on. Also you seem to forget that some have jobs and are collecting retirement, they should be fine! FYI: in most cases someone can retire out of the Military in about 15 years.

Example #2:
The Bush Administration tried to add an enrollment fee and double the prescription co-payment for VA health care.

Yea, but it can't keep my friend from getting his VA check for collage!

Example #3:
cutting almost $1 billion for medical administration, facilities and prosthetic research.

A source would be nice Billy!

Example #4:
Senate Republicans voted down Murray's plan to adequately pay for VA health care,

Isn't this the same example as "Example #2", double posting the same example, now that's a new low!

You don't consider these actions disrespect! If your going to put a guy in an environment where there is a good chance he can be severly maimed or injured, you don't think you should at the very least make sure that if that does happen, he will be taken care of. This is not disrespect to you?

People in the Military are trained to kill people with their bare hands, and have gone through extensive training to servive in just about any whether conditions, and feed on just about any creature. I think they will do just fine, Talk to some soldiers, then get back to me Billy! But its still amazes me of the basic troop knowledge, that you always seem to forget!

Like I said. We only believe what we want to believe. For me, I have had it up to hear with all these excuses regarding this war. I'm not going to rationalize a wrong!

Belief is completely of choice. Billy-"I'm not going to rationalize a wrong" then what are you promoting? :donkeyfla :surrender <-Just a guess?

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by stsburns:
People in the Military are trained to kill people with their bare hands, and have gone through extensive training to servive in just about any whether conditions, and feed on just about any creature. I think they will do just fine, Talk to some soldiers, then get back to me Billy! But its still amazes me of the basic troop knowledge, that you always seem to forget!

I don't have a clue as to "troop knowledge". I've never been in the military.

Originally posted by stsburns:
Belief is completely of choice. Billy-"I'm not going to rationalize a wrong" then what are you promoting

I would just like to thank you for showing your more diplomatic side this time. As for what you said, I see your point. Athough I don't think I'm wrong, there is truth to what you say.

 

[stsburns]

I don't have a clue as to "troop knowledge". I've never been in the military.

Do you know anyone who is in the Military, or has served. That is where I get alot of my Military information from. Soldiers, Veterans, Retired Military, etc...

I would just like to thank you for showing your more diplomatic side this time. As for what you said, I see your point. Athough I don't think I'm wrong, there is truth to what you say.

Thanks, calling people names doesn't do many any good. I usually like to leave the readers hanging, or leave with a question to decide either my modivation, or modivation of the person I'm critisizing. Thanks for hearing me out, and me do the same to you! :2wave: :mrgreen:

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by stsburns:
Do you know anyone who is in the Military, or has served. That is where I get alot of my Military information from. Soldiers, Veterans, Retired Military, etc...

Several members of my family served in the military. But we don't get along.

 

[ANAV]

I have been in the military during the most recent four presidential administration, and historically the Republicans have given larger pay raises to the military than the Democrats. Not only that, but greater funding has been provided to services which aid military families.

In W Bush's first year in office the military received its largest pay raise in 20 years. http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jan2002/n01072002_200201072.html The average military member received an increase of 6.9%. And in addition, special incentive pays like combat pay, sea service pay, and submarine duty pay have risen significantly since 2000.

I lived the dark days of the military when Clinton was in office. It was hard for me to stay in the military when my Commander and Chief lied under oath. The military is rich with honor and tradition, but our man at the top of the chain of command displayed his lack of honor by committing perjury and then was not rightfully charged. It sent a very poor message to the troops. "It's OK for your top leader to commit a crime, he's above the law," was the sentiment. If a common citizen had committed the same crime, then he would have been prosecuted. Not to mention if a military member commits adultery and breaks his marriage vows that he made to God in a church, he or she would be punished under the UCMJ.

Clinton proved he had no moral values, and for that he is an embarrassment to the honorable members of the armed service. I'm not sure, but did any Democrat speak out and publicly say that the Clinton was immoral? Is there anybody on this board who does not think the he was immoral?

The best way to support the troops is by supporting the job they do and rewarding them for doing it. And the leaders, uniformed and suits, need to set the standard by setting the example.

 

[tr1414]

Several members of my family served in the military. But we don't get along.

Wow.... there's a shock... they must be SANE.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by tr1414:
Wow.... there's a shock... they must be SANE

I prefer to think it is the other way around.

 

[tr1414]

Well... that's what insane people think... remember the first step in getting better is to admit that there's a problem & trust me, you have a big one.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by tr1414:
Well... that's what insane people think... remember the first step in getting better is to admit that there's a problem & trust me, you have a big one.

Care to cite examples where you walked your talk on this [admitting what you need to correct about yourself].

They asked Bush to name any mistakes he has made as President. He couldn't name any. Which is a joke. Are you without flaws? Where do you think you need help?

 

[Stace]

Ummm.... How are the republicans not supporting the soldiers? You never gave any examples of how the republicans are disrespecting soldiers. I have never personally disrespected any soldiers, but I do know a few people who have, and they were all democrats. People who have Anti-war sentiment basically say that they support the soldiers, but that the war is pointless. Thats like you doing your job and people saying to you I respect you, but your job is pointless and I can't see why anyone would do it anyway. I think that is quite disrespectful. I see that your post is just a rant really, because you never told how republicans disrespect soldiers. I don't know if you meant to talk about the soldiers pay after they come back? Yes, I do agree with you about how the democrats are also to blame. I think soldiers should get paid more, if thats what this post is about.

Oh boy, I get to go through my favorite spiel again.....

I just got out of the Air Force a few months ago, and I never supported the war. My husband was in the Army and did two rotations in Iraq, and he didn't support the war. Does this mean that we didn't support ourselves? Uh....no.

And as far as soldiers getting paid more, that's an iffy situation. Soldiers that are still in the barracks/dorms, absolutely. I brought home about $800 a month while in the dorms.....but once I got married and moved off base, I got a considerable raise because of BAS and BAH. Since my husband and I were in different branches, we both received the single rate BAH. So for the last year of our enlistments, with me as an E-4 and him as an E-5, we were bringing home about $4,000 a month. Then again, BAH is also dependent upon the cost of living of where you're stationed.

With the 2006 pay increase, an E-1 with less than 2 years of service makes $1273.50 a month before taxes. That comes out to about $7.95 an hour if you base it off of a 40 hour work week, with four weeks in a month. An O-1 with less than 2 years of service makes $2416.20 a month before taxes, which comes out to $15.10 an hour based upon the same factors. When you look at it that way, absolutely the enlisted folks need a raise. But, some will argue that they DO get raises, every year in fact. Is it enough of a raise? Not really, but though a lot of people will complain that we don't pay our troops enough, those same people are the ones who don't want to pay higher taxes to provide the troops with those pay raises.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by IValueFreedom:
Don't go too cazy now... I agree 100% that this article is bogus.

This is a joke. Saying the article is 100% bogus without even trying to find out yourself with your own sources as to whether it is true is a total joke. Your statement is completly ridiculous. First off, many things in the article I posted are a matter of public record. So that right there sinks your 100% theory. But what really gets me is you go on to say this:

Originally posted by IValueFreedom:
There are many reasons as to why I do not agree with the War in Iraq, the Bush administration, and Bush himself. But they are based on logic and reasoning. Not misguided facts (as much as I can help it, I'm not perfect).

What was logical about calling the article in my post "bogus" without researching its authenticity beforehand? Just because its an Op-Ed does not mean the assertions are false. And if you think it does, you probably need to brush up on your logic and reasoning. More specifically, fallacies of logic that your are guilty of here.

I don't like hypocrits. So what should I think after your "100% bogus" statement you post up this little jewel:

Originally posted by IValueFreedom:
Try not to make such blanket generalizations please, it only breeds contempt towards the other side.

Since were on the subject of blanket generalizations, lets go back and look at your first post:

Originally posted by IValueFreedom:
It seems really biased to me.

Looks to me someone came up with a conclusion and then researched for facts to support it. This is not how newsworthy information should be done.

Left wing bias.

There is no information given on any of those 4 examples that shows WHY that is a bad choice.

I'm not saying this information is wrong, but simply that this article is being fueled by a strong agenda.

IMO, this article deserves a casual read and then a "huh" response followed by casting it aside for real journalism. This is an editorial in disguise.

Blankets are cheap, I take it. However, these blankets are just plain wrong. Its one thing to have an opinion, but if you're going to make a declaration of some sort, you better have a leg to stand on. Case in point:

Originally posted by IValueFreedom:
There is no information given on any of those 4 examples that shows WHY that is a bad choice.

This statement here, you say I didn't give examples as to why it is bad for Veterans to have to pay more at the Pharmacy, or more for their health care, or why cutting VA funding in a time of war is a bad thing. I thought those truths would be self evident. If you need examples on why those things are bad, maybe you need to rediscover your humanity.

And lastly, this little gem:

Originally posted by IValueFreedom:
Don't put words in my mouth. I said nothing like that, nor believe that in the least. THIS ARTICLE IS BIASED. As such, I do not believe that it should be taken as a credible news source, or something that should weight in on anyone's opinion on the subject. This article is not using logic and reasoning, instead they're misconstruing facts in order to defend their position. IT SHOULD BE READ FOR ENTERTAINMENT VALUE ONLY.

I'm the one who is sorry if you can't see that this is the case. As I personally believe that you're intelligent enough to realize if this is slanted against Bush or not, you're blinded to all things except what you wish to see if you think this is legit.

Prove to me this is not using logic and reasoning when I see government spending on the VA reduced, and then state that this is a bad thing and it does not support the troops when they come home, why this should be blown off as entertainment. If being concerned about the sick and injured coming back from the battlefield is biased, why would I say this:

Originally posted by billo:
And for any Democrats that think they can get off scot free, you are just as much to blame...

I hold both parties responsible. I just hold the republicans more responisible because they are the party in power and they are so f_cked as human beings. And just because that is my personal opinion does not make the article bogus.

Don't believe me. Find out for yourself (before you put your foot in your mouth).

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by Tetracide
It's not even a news source. It's an op-ed site. Which is funny, because Billy used it as factual reference in his original post. That's like me posting commentary by Rush Limbaugh. You're just going to laugh, just like I did when I read your first post.

I'm not going to respond to your tripe because it is unfounded, unsubstantiated. However, I am going to call you a ****ing idiot for thinking that I and millions others don't support our troops. Not only is it preposterously idiotic to say such a thing, but it is also deeply insulting to a patriot such as myself.

If anything, it is the Left that disrespect our troops more so than the Right. Penis Durbin and his Nazi and Soviet gulag comment, and the giddy nature the Left takes when a report of U.S. soldiers death in Iraq.

If all I had to hang my hat on was the continued body count of American soldiers, I would quit the show. I would not want to embrace a philosophy that was bent on American failing just so my argument gained a little substance.

I don’t even know you, and I’m already telling you to **** off.

I would love to tell you what I think of you. But since were not in the basement, its against the rules. However, calling me a "...****ing idiot..." Or telling me to "...**** off" is OK by me. I'm not gordonstravels. I don't get offended by foul mouth garbage.

 

[MSgt]

Another dumb ass thread.

How about this....The Republican and Democratic Party should just shut up and let the military and CIA do what we know we need to do.

While performing the necessary "restraining," funding, and "checking" of our actions, they also just get in the way. The real world issues we are facing have nothing to do with being Republican or a Democrat.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by GySgt:
Another dumb ass thread.

How about this....The Republican and Democratic Party should just shut up and let the military and CIA do what we know we need to do.

While performing the necessary "restraining," funding, and "checking" of our actions, they also just get in the way. The real world issues we are facing have nothing to do with being Republican or a Democrat.

Objecting to an SOB that starts two wars then turns around and reduces VA funding is dumb ass?

Interesting.

 

[MSgt]

Objecting to an SOB that starts two wars then turns around and reduces VA funding is dumb ass?

Interesting.

President Bush has liberated two countries from abusive leaderships. They are both building democracies. The Global Left will be first to say, "He started two wars." The Global left also, obviously, does not understand what is going on. We didn't start anything. We have been ignoring their determintaion to be at war with us long enough.


What's dumb ass is the fact that no matter what happens or occurs with the military..both dumb ass parties find ways to use the military to garnish votes. I do not subscribe to the notion that the "Republican Party doesn't support this" or "the Democratic Party doesn't support that." They are both stupid and they both place their political agendas above EVERYTHING else.

And who gives legitimacy to this behaviour? The sheep of America that continue their bull ****.

This....is dumb ass.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by GySgt:
Whats dumb ass is the fact that no matter what happens or occurs with the military..both dumb ass parties find ways to use the military to garnish votes.

I do not subscribe to the notion that the "Republican Party doesn't support this" or "the Democratic Party doesn't support that." They are both stupid and they both place their political agendas above EVERYTHING else.

And who gives legitimacy to this behaviour? The sheep of America that continue their bull ****.

This....is dumb ass.

I agree with this:

Originally posted by GySgt:
They are both stupid and they both place their political agendas above EVERYTHING else.

But that's not what this thread is about. It's about assholes that say they support the troops while at the same time taking away their ability to heal.