Republican right abandoning Bush

[danarhea]

And that bodes very ill for this fall's elections. 45% of Conservatives now disapprove of Bush. Does that mean they will vote Democratic? Of course not. No Conservative in his right mind would, but why vote for a RINO either? In the end, many Conservatives are going to stay home? Unless something really spectacular happens between now and the election, the Democrats will take the House and maybe the Senate too. They are energized, but how can Republicans be energized as well when the GOP has sold Conservatism down the river?

A couple of months ago I started a thread giving a warning to Republicans to change or be out the door. I see the handwriting on the wall, as do many other Conservatives. In fact, the only way not to see the handwriting on the wall is to be fast asleep, as this administration is. They arent going to know what hit them until they are out of power. What is going to hit them? Apathy of their base, who know that parading as a Conservative, while doing the exact opposite is pure BS. They now understand.

I hate to say "I told you so", but I will before the year is out.

Article is here.

 

[jamesrage]

And that bodes very ill for this fall's elections. 45% of Conservatives now disapprove of Bush. Does that mean they will vote Democratic? Of course not. No Conservative in his right mind would, but why vote for a RINO either? In the end, many Conservatives are going to stay home? Unless something really spectacular happens between now and the election, the Democrats will take the House and maybe the Senate too. They are energized, but how can Republicans be energized as well when the GOP has sold Conservatism down the river?

A couple of months ago I started a thread giving a warning to Republicans to change or be out the door. I see the handwriting on the wall, as do many other Conservatives. In fact, the only way not to see the handwriting on the wall is to be fast asleep, as this administration is. They arent going to know what hit them until they are out of power. What is going to hit them? Apathy of their base, who know that parading as a Conservative, while doing the exact opposite is pure BS. They now understand.

I hate to say "I told you so", but I will before the year is out.

Article is here.

I think the reason why many vote republican is because of the fear that the democrats will screw us on many social issues,gun rights, economic issues and many other issues.Basic simple issues such as border control they refuse to do anything about except to cater to illegals.They treat terrorism as though this a issue that should be handled by appeasers, pasifist and other ******s who have no business what so ever running military operations, they try terrorist in civilian courts instead of a military tribunals.I can't wait for the day when there are more than just two parties and a few independants who run the white house and appear on ballots.

 

[LogicalReason]

I think the republicans in congress are distancing themselves from Bush because of his repeated blunders and the political problems that are being caused by those mistakes. Yet even with Bush scrueing up I can't see a large percent of republicans staying home or voting democratic... their (the republican base) insanely loyal to their party.

 

[danarhea]

I think the republicans in congress are distancing themselves from Bush because of his repeated blunders and the political problems that are being caused by those mistakes. Yet even with Bush scrueing up I can't see a large percent of republicans staying home or voting democratic... their (the republican base) insanely loyal to their party.

Of course, none will vote for a Democrat, but some WILL stay home. What makes this so bad is that the Republicans have driven many independents away, so erosion of the base will mean a much worse result.

I see the Democrats easily taking back the House. Possibly the Senate too, but that is up in the air. Thank God that our forefathers constructed our Constitution in such a way that the Senate changes much slower than the House does. This was done on purpose, of course, so that, although there were no political parties when the Constitution was written, the entire government could not switch back and forth between various interests on a whim. This design is what may well save the Republican party from total defeat in the Congressional elections this fall, and come 2008, after the Bushnevik faction has been purged from the party, the GOP will once again be strong and ready to fight for the presidency, and depending on how badly the Democrats screw up the House while they are in power, possibly Congress too.

 

[RightinNYC]

And that bodes very ill for this fall's elections. 45% of Conservatives now disapprove of Bush.

It's a good thing Bush isn't running for Senate or the House.

That poll number means absolutely nothing. What percent of Conservates currently disapprove of their Republican Congressmen/Senators?

 

[Pacridge]

It's a good thing Bush isn't running for Senate or the House.

That poll number means absolutely nothing. What percent of Conservates currently disapprove of their Republican Congressmen/Senators?

That's the issue. Plus even if they disapprove of their GOP rep. will they vote in a Dem to replace them? I doubt it, seriously doubt it.

 

[RightinNYC]

That's the issue. Plus even if they disapprove of their GOP rep. will they vote in a Dem to replace them? I doubt it, seriously doubt it.

Looking at the 2006 Election Poll summary at Rasmussen, it looks like right now, the Dems have a chance of gaining one, maybe two seats in the Senate, at most.

 

[My_name_is_not_Larry]

And that bodes very ill for this fall's elections. 45% of Conservatives now disapprove of Bush. Does that mean they will vote Democratic? Of course not. No Conservative in his right mind would, but why vote for a RINO either? In the end, many Conservatives are going to stay home? Unless something really spectacular happens between now and the election, the Democrats will take the House and maybe the Senate too.

Just because they disapprove of Bush doesn't mean they are going to stay home and forget about the republicans. Bush has gotten to be a liberal republican (not completely liberal but, he has sold conservatism) which is why the republican congress has distanced themselves from him. As long as the republicans in congress are conservative, they have nothing to worry about, (when it comes to the con's votes.).

They are energized, but how can Republicans be energized as well when the GOP has sold Conservatism down the river

It hasn't GOP is as conservative as GOP ever will be. Bush is the person who has sold conservatism. GOP does not equal Bush.

A couple of months ago I started a thread giving a warning to Republicans to change or be out the door. I see the handwriting on the wall, as do many other Conservatives. In fact, the only way not to see the handwriting on the wall is to be fast asleep, as this administration is. They arent going to know what hit them until they are out of power. What is going to hit them? Apathy of their base, who know that parading as a Conservative, while doing the exact opposite is pure BS.

agreed.

 

[disneydude]

^
Don't make me laugh. Bush becoming liberal:2rofll:

Bush is as far to the right as a person can possibly be. Bush sold the Republican party to the right wing radicals.


However, I do understand why true moderate Republicans would be upset. You no longer have a party. Who do you support?
The right wing isn't abandoning Bush. That is the only part of the public that he has remaining.

 

[My_name_is_not_Larry]

^
Don't make me laugh. Bush becoming liberal:2rofll:

Bush is as far to the right as a person can possibly be. Bush sold the Republican party to the right wing radicals.


However, I do understand why true moderate Republicans would be upset. You no longer have a party. Who do you support?
The right wing isn't abandoning Bush. That is the only part of the public that he has remaining.

apparantly you didn't listen to the state of the union address, if you did, you would agree that the right had more to fear than the left.

 

[disneydude]

Unfortunately, I did watch the state of the Union address.
(Out of morbid curiousity than anything else).

However, it was just more of the same and more pandering by Bush to the radical fringe.

As I said before, true "moderate" republicans have every right to be pissed off at this President, he sold them out to radical fringe groups.

But Bush is the rubber stamp of the right-wing, which is why they constantly overlook and apologize for every other inept thing he does as long as he backs them on gays and abortion.

 

[My_name_is_not_Larry]

Unfortunately, I did watch the state of the Union address.
(Out of morbid curiousity than anything else).

no wonder

However, it was just more of the same and more pandering by Bush to the radical fringe.

:rofl , he was, more or less, bashing the far-right!

As I said before, true "moderate" republicans have every right to be pissed off at this President, he sold them out to radical fringe groups.

ok, the far-right, don't like the moderates, the few republican moderates and democratic moderates, like bush. example? look at Sen. Nelson,(D) and John Mcain,(R).

But Bush is the rubber stamp of the right-wing, which is why they constantly overlook and apologize for every other inept thing he does as long as he backs them on gays and abortion.

Another reason why they don't like him, they're tired of apologizing.

 

[danarhea]

It's a good thing Bush isn't running for Senate or the House.

That poll number means absolutely nothing. What percent of Conservates currently disapprove of their Republican Congressmen/Senators?

You dont think a president's coattails are important? They have been in every offyear election in the past. If you still dont believe it, then ask Bill Clinton's supporters, who were completely surprised in the 1994 scalping, when the Dems lost more than 40 seats in the House in that Republican takeover.

 

[RightinNYC]

You dont think a president's coattails are important? They have been in every offyear election in the past. If you still dont believe it, then ask Bill Clinton's supporters, who were completely surprised in the 1994 scalping, when the Dems lost more than 40 seats in the House in that Republican takeover.

Clinton had a 50% approval rating right before the 1994 election. The reason the Reps won then wasn't because they hated Clinton, it was because individually, in each district and state, the Republican Party presented a Candidate that offered voters a better option than the current Democratic officials.

It doesn't matter if Bush has a 10% approval rating, what matters is the approval rating of each individual Congressperson. And even now, 60% of the country still approves of their own Congressman.

 

[danarhea]

Clinton had a 50% approval rating right before the 1994 election. The reason the Reps won then wasn't because they hated Clinton, it was because individually, in each district and state, the Republican Party presented a Candidate that offered voters a better option than the current Democratic officials.

It doesn't matter if Bush has a 10% approval rating, what matters is the approval rating of each individual Congressperson. And even now, 60% of the country still approves of their own Congressman.

I strongly disagree. The following is the lastest AP Ipsos poll, which shows that Congress has an overall approval rating of only 25%, with a disapproval rating of 71%.

AP-Ipsos *​

5/1-3/06 25 71 -46

Data was from Polling Report

While this, in itself, does not speak directly to local races, and I do agree that 60% do approve of their own congressmen, that does not translate into the energization of the base. This is why the Republicans are going to lose the House this fall.

As for Bill Clinton, you are wrong. While his approval rating when he left office was relatively high, his approval rating was poor in 1994. As a matter of fact.....

At the time his ambitious health care proposals crumbled in 1994, disapproval was far higher — 60 percent.

What these numbers and trends translate into is the fact that the coattail effect is very important in Congressional races, a fact that Republcans are now trying to ignore, but which will bite them on their collective keesters come this November, unless a spectacular turnaround occurs between now and then. The GOP pollsters already know this, and have stated so.

 

[RightinNYC]

I strongly disagree. The following is the lastest AP Ipsos poll, which shows that Congress has an overall approval rating of only 25%, with a disapproval rating of 71%.

AP-Ipsos *​

5/1-3/06 25 71 -46

Data was from http://www.pollingreport.com

While this, in itself, does not speak directly to local races, and I do agree that 60% do approve of their own congressmen, that does not translate into the energization of the base. This is why the Republicans are going to lose the House this fall.

As for Bill Clinton, you are wrong. While his approval rating when he left office was relatively high, his approval rating was poor in 1994. As a matter of fact.....



What this translates into is the fact that the coattail effect is very important in Congressional races, a fact that Republcans are now trying to ignore, but which will bite them on their collective keesters come this November, unless a spectacular turnaround occurs between now and then. The GOP pollsters already know this, and have stated so.

Re: Clinton

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Thanks to crack Post political researcher Zachary Goldfarb, The Fix can compare where Bush currently stands to where presidents in the last three midterm elections found themselves at this same point in the cycle. The numbers for 2002, 1998 and 1994 are an aggregate of independent polls out at the time.

President Election Cycle Approval
Bush 2006 38%
Bush 2002 82
Clinton 1998 67
Clinton 1994 50

Of the 100 or so polls taken of Clinton in the year of 1994 accumulated here, not one shows a disapproval higher than 53. The average is around 47-47.

My point in this is that it wasn't so much Clinton in 1994, as it was the individual representatives and the Contract with America.

And Re: The effect of people hating Congress is minimal. It's all about individual Reps. Hell, I hate congress and always have. I don't think they do good at pretty much anything. But I love my congressman.If you look at it, race by race, the reps are not losing the house.

And hey, things are looking up, even in the completely unrelated and useless polls:

"Thinking ahead to this November's elections, if the congressional election were held today, would you vote for the Democratic candidate in your district or the Republican candidate in your district?" If unsure: "Well, if you had to vote, which way would you lean?" O

Republican Democrat Unsure
% % %
5/2-3/06 38 41 21
2/28-3/1/06 34 48 18

That's a 7 point loss for the dems and a 4 point gain for the reps in just 2 months. It's gonna be fine in the end.

 

[danarhea]

Re: Clinton

One


Of the 100 or so polls taken of Clinton in the year of 1994 accumulated here, not one shows a disapproval higher than 53. The average is around 47-47.

My point in this is that it wasn't so much Clinton in 1994, as it was the individual representatives and the Contract with America.

And Re: The effect of people hating Congress is minimal. It's all about individual Reps. Hell, I hate congress and always have. I don't think they do good at pretty much anything. But I love my congressman.If you look at it, race by race, the reps are not losing the house.

And hey, things are looking up, even in the completely unrelated and useless polls:

"Thinking ahead to this November's elections, if the congressional election were held today, would you vote for the Democratic candidate in your district or the Republican candidate in your district?" If unsure: "Well, if you had to vote, which way would you lean?" O

Republican Democrat Unsure
% % %
5/2-3/06 38 41 21
2/28-3/1/06 34 48 18

That's a 7 point loss for the dems and a 4 point gain for the reps in just 2 months. It's gonna be fine in the end.

Care to make a little wager, just for fun? Who is your favorite baseball team? If you win, I will wear that team's logo as my avatar for a month. If I win, you have to wear the Houston Astros logo. Agreed?

I have played this game twice with Deegan, and both times.................

He handed my a$$ to me. LOL.

Want to try for a hat trick?

 

[danarhea]

Oops. Add Brant Bassett to the hookeresque crowd at the Watergate. He was known as "Nine Fingers" at the poker parties there.

Looks like the who's who of the CIA were all playing poker, and enjoying hookers at the Watergate Hotel. How will this be spun? National security? Checking hookers for VD, so as not to get the lawmakers who were there infected? I'm sure they will come up with something.

 

[Pacridge]

Oops. Add Brant Bassett to the hookeresque crowd at the Watergate. He was known as "Nine Fingers" at the poker parties there.

Looks like the who's who of the CIA were all playing poker, and enjoying hookers at the Watergate Hotel. How will this be spun? National security? Checking hookers for VD, so as not to get the lawmakers who were there infected? I'm sure they will come up with something.

Does this belong in this thread?

 

[RightinNYC]

Care to make a little wager, just for fun? Who is your favorite baseball team? If you win, I will wear that team's logo as my avatar for a month. If I win, you have to wear the Houston Astros logo. Agreed?

I have played this game twice with Deegan, and both times.................

He handed my a$$ to me. LOL.

Want to try for a hat trick?

Works for me, I'll even whip up a special little Yankees avatar for you. :lol: So is the bet whether the Dems will win back the house, or just pick up seats?

 

[jamespol]

Works for me, I'll even whip up a special little Yankees avatar for you. :lol: So is the bet whether the Dems will win back the house, or just pick up seats?

I like Rasmussen, it tend to be accurate. It leans Republican, but that is what a poll should do, because many Democrats do not vote. Since a lot of them are felons, or as Missouri is doing, making voting laws to prevent them from voting.

I think the makeup of the Senate after this election will be 53 Republicans, 46 Democrats and 1 Independent.

I think the House will be close.. I think they will gain in the House.. but not quite a majority, it will be close.

Well, I guess Republicans might gain seats if they bash gays and blacks agains, and campaign about issues that don't affect the masses. Then once they are in office, they take away everyones health converage (that is what happened in missouri)
James

 

[jamesrage]

It's a good thing Bush isn't running for Senate or the House.

That poll number means absolutely nothing. What percent of Conservates currently disapprove of their Republican Congressmen/Senators?

I am conservative and I disaprove of some of the congressmen/senators.I disaprove of the fact they have done nothing to crack down on the traitors who hire and do business illegals,I disaprove of the fact they have done nothing about the borders,I disaprove of the fact they have not cracked down on the leakers,the seditionist traitors like Turban Durban,Coward Dean and John Benidict Arnold Kerry.They have not protected marriage like they said they would,They have not said crap about mexican drug cartels dressed up like the mexican military sneaking into our country to help vermin drug dealers,they fought this war as a police action injstead of a military action,they have not cracked down on the traitors in the media,they give our money away to Africa and other countries and they try terrorist in a civilian court instead of a military court so some vermonous rat lawyer can get him off the death penalty.

 

[jamespol]

Republicans have done absolutely nothing.

1. Where is immigration reform?
2. Where is welfare reform? Where is "taking-people-off-of-dependency."
3. Where is the fiscal responsibiliy?
4. Are we really winning the war on terror?
5. Where is social security reform?

Youve gotta love the US Congress. A bunch of religious zealots who can not spend money.


James

 

[RightinNYC]

Republicans have done absolutely nothing.

1. Where is immigration reform?

1. 
   
   On its way, hopefully.
   

   [*]Where is welfare reform? Where is "taking-people-off-of-dependency."

   
   Didn't know that was a prime issue this cycle.
   

   [*]Where is the fiscal responsibiliy?

   
   Certainly not with Bush or Stevens. Look at Coburn or McCain, or check out www.porkbusters.org for more info.
   
   

   [*]Are we really winning the war on terror?

   
   I live 4 blocks from the WTC, and I'm not dead. I'd consider that to be a pretty good job.
   
   

   [*]Where is social security reform?

Give it 10 years. Neither party is getting that handled in this atmosphere, as dumb as it is.

Youve gotta love the US Congress. A bunch of religious zealots who can not spend money.

Oh, they've got no problem spending it, its not spending it that kills them.....

 

[Hoot]

I am conservative and I disaprove of some of the congressmen/senators.I disaprove of the fact they have done nothing to crack down on the traitors who hire and do business illegals,I disaprove of the fact they have done nothing about the borders,I disaprove of the fact they have not cracked down on the leakers,the seditionist traitors like Turban Durban,Coward Dean and John Benidict Arnold Kerry.They have not protected marriage like they said they would,They have not said crap about mexican drug cartels dressed up like the mexican military sneaking into our country to help vermin drug dealers,they fought this war as a police action injstead of a military action,they have not cracked down on the traitors in the media,they give our money away to Africa and other countries and they try terrorist in a civilian court instead of a military court so some vermonous rat lawyer can get him off the death penalty.

When are you going to realize that republicans just say these things to get votes?

If Bush wanted to do something about abortion, he could, but to keep the issue alive gives conservatives a good issue on which to run campaigns.

That's politics, that's life.

Once elected, their biggest concern is filling their pockets.