Republican Gov. John Kasich to speak at DNC

[99percenter]

you completely missed the point. If you claim to be a Christian, you must accept certain parts of the faith. If you are a Republican, you cannot support a gun banning, tax hiking ticket that has socialist written all over it

But you can support big govt? Sorry you don't get to pick and choose what conservativism is. Biden is a lot more conservative than trump so i dont blame gopers for supporting him.

 

[99percenter]

you completely missed the point. If you claim to be a Christian, you must accept certain parts of the faith. If you are a Republican, you cannot support a gun banning, tax hiking ticket that has socialist written all over it

no true scotsman fallacy.

 

[jaeger19]

you completely missed the point. If you claim to be a Christian, you must accept certain parts of the faith. If you are a Republican, you cannot support a gun banning, tax hiking ticket that has socialist written all over it

Wait.. you must "accept certain parts of the faith"?

Like not supporting gun banning? You mean like Trump BANNING bump stocks with an executive order? You mean like that?

Socialism? You mean trump giving out billions of subsidies to farmers because they are hurt by his anti free market trade war?

 

[TurtleDude]

Wait.. you must "accept certain parts of the faith"?

Like not supporting gun banning? You mean like Trump BANNING bump stocks with an executive order? You mean like that?

Socialism? You mean trump giving out billions of subsidies to farmers because they are hurt by his anti free market trade war?

if Las Vegas had happened with Obama and a Democrat majority in both houses, what do you think would have happened?

 

[TurtleDude]

no true scotsman fallacy.

what part of the Biden/Harris Platform is closer to the GOP values than Trump's? Given you claim to be very conservative while supporting gun bans, tax hikes, and leftwing judicial picks, I don't have much faith in a logical answer

 

[jaeger19]

y our arguments are silly. Obama Biden publicly supported all sorts of gun restrictions. Harry Reid was worried more about keeping his majority leader status than helping Biden's gun ban dreams

No..my arguments aren;t silly; Trump has not only banned bump stocks... but has supported stricter gun control laws such as expanded background checks and raising the age to buy a rifle. . Publicly stated that he didn;t have to wait for due process before taking someones firearms.. and publicly berated republicans for "being scared of the NRA".

The TDS is strong in you.

 

[99percenter]

if Las Vegas had happened with Obama and a Democrat majority in both houses, what do you think would have happened?

Sandy hook happened during obama. If that was not enough for gun control then nothing ever will be.

 

[TurtleDude]

Sandy hook happened during obama. If that was not enough for gun control then nothing ever will be.

Irrelevant-the bannerrhoids were screaming for background checks in reaction to a legally bought firearm (where a BGC was undertaken) that was stolen from its murdered owner.

 

[99percenter]

what part of the Biden/Harris Platform is closer to the GOP values than Trump's? Given you claim to be very conservative while supporting gun bans, tax hikes, and leftwing judicial picks, I don't have much faith in a logical answer

Biden does not support big govt. Trump does
Biden does not support protectionism. Trump does.

Trump is also pro gay marraige and used to be pro choice and pro single payer. Like I said you can't pick and choose what conservatism is. Biden is conservative on some issues. Trump is liberal on some issues.

And its pretty presumptuous of you to believe I will be voting for Biden. I probably won't. I have not made up my mind yet.

 

[jaeger19]

if Las Vegas had happened with Obama and a Democrat majority in both houses, what do you think would have happened?

Nothing but a bunch of rhetoric. As they did with all the other mass shootings before. The democrats know that they would pay a heavy toll for gun law legislation.. just as they did when they enacted the assault weapons ban. Its why Obama never pushed it. It plays well locally in the big cities.. but the political cost would be too high.

Meanwhile.. a republican who doesn;t care about guns.. i.e. Trump, . feels free to do whatever bans and expansion of gun control they wish.. because guys like you will fall all over themselves to support them...

 

[99percenter]

Nothing but a bunch of rhetoric. As they did with all the other mass shootings before. The democrats know that they would pay a heavy toll for gun law legislation.. just as they did when they enacted the assault weapons ban. Its why Obama never pushed it. It plays well locally in the big cities.. but the political cost would be too high.

Meanwhile.. a republican who doesn;t care about guns.. i.e. Trump, . feels free to do whatever bans and expansion of gun control they wish.. because guys like you will fall all over themselves to support them...

NRA support was at an all time high during obama. Trump comes in and they go bankrupt. If you like guns obama was your president.

 

[99percenter]

Irrelevant-the bannerrhoids were screaming for background checks in reaction to a legally bought firearm (where a BGC was undertaken) that was stolen from its murdered owner.

Hmm. so the problem is legally bought guns?

 

[TurtleDude]

Hmm. so the problem is legally bought guns?

how would a background check have prevented Adam Lanza's shooting spree?

How would a waiting period have prevented Adam Lanza's shooting spree?

How would registration have prevented Adam Lanza's shooting spree?

and even if guns were completely banned-as you wish-how is that going to stop someone who is intent of committing 26 death penalty eligible crimes, from getting a firearm?

 

[99percenter]

how would a background check have prevented Adam Lanza's shooting spree?

How would a waiting period have prevented Adam Lanza's shooting spree?

How would registration have prevented Adam Lanza's shooting spree?

and even if guns were completely banned-as you wish-how is that going to stop someone who is intent of committing 26 death penalty eligible crimes, from getting a firearm?

If his mom didnt have the guns the shooting doesn't happen. If he went on a knife rampage the principal or any other teacher would have been able to stop him before he killed any of those kids. There is no black market for guns so don't even come up with that stupid idea. All the mass murders in the US have been done with legally bought guns.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Hmm. so the problem is legally bought guns?

Nope, the problem is criminal intent. As TD noted, the gun was stolen after its owner was killed by someone with no prior criminal record.

 

[99percenter]

Nope, the problem is criminal intent. As TD noted, the gun was stolen after its owner was killed by someone with no prior criminal record.

So like i suggested private ownership of guns is the problem.

 

[ttwtt78640]

So like i suggested private ownership of guns is the problem.

No more than private ownership of knives (aka freedom) causes stabbings.

 

[TurtleDude]

If his mom didnt have the guns the shooting doesn't happen. If he went on a knife rampage the principal or any other teacher would have been able to stop him before he killed any of those kids. There is no black market for guns so don't even come up with that stupid idea. All the mass murders in the US have been done with legally bought guns.

another conservative position-banning all privately owned guns? we ban heroin and more people die of heroin overdoses every year than have been killed by shooters using AR 15s in the last 50 years

 

[TurtleDude]

So like i suggested private ownership of guns is the problem.

very conservative people want to end private ownership of firearms?

 

[TurtleDude]

If his mom didnt have the guns the shooting doesn't happen. If he went on a knife rampage the principal or any other teacher would have been able to stop him before he killed any of those kids. There is no black market for guns so don't even come up with that stupid idea. All the mass murders in the US have been done with legally bought guns.

you are lying and that is a stupid argument anyway because mass murders are a small part of gunshot murders. 80% or more of murders committed in the USA are perpetrated by people with felony records so every time a felon kills someone with a gun, they did it with a gun that they did not legally buy. and many mass murders are gang related-they just don't get the press that cases involving white mass murderers get.

 

[99percenter]

very conservative people want to end private ownership of firearms?

Never said i do. That is the problem with mass shootings. Studies actually prove this. You can make the argument it's worth it for freedom like many conservatives do, but don't be intellectually dishonest and suggest that the mass shootings in the US would continue with strict gun laws.

 

[TurtleDude]

Never said i do. That is the problem with mass shootings. Studies actually prove this. You can make the argument it's worth it for freedom like many conservatives do, but don't be intellectually dishonest and suggest that the mass shootings in the US would continue with strict gun laws.

we don't know if they would or not given there are 400 million guns and open borders. what we do know is that people who don't worry or care about death sentences or toe-tag parole aren't going to worry about the consequences of obtaining an illegal weapon. People like you pretend that strict gun laws would keep people from obtaining guns, which is so blatantly stupid, we have to laugh at it

 

[99percenter]

we don't know if they would or not given there are 400 million guns and open borders. what we do know is that people who don't worry or care about death sentences or toe-tag parole aren't going to worry about the consequences of obtaining an illegal weapon. People like you pretend that strict gun laws would keep people from obtaining guns, which is so blatantly stupid, we have to laugh at it

 

[TurtleDude]

more stupidity-none of those countries have the amount of firearms we have nor the open borders. You are presuming that if your desired gun bans started today, that would prevent mass shootings. that is really stupid. as is comparing the USA to those countries

 

[99percenter]

more stupidity-none of those countries have the amount of firearms we have nor the open borders. You are presuming that if your desired gun bans started today, that would prevent mass shootings. that is really stupid. as is comparing the USA to those countries

But why does US have the overabundance of guns? Is there a reason for that? You and I already know what that is. You might be right. Maybe there are too many guns out there and we are at the point of no return and banning guns is futile at this juncture because of the over saturation of guns.