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Republican Gov. John Kasich to speak at DNC

I picked John Kasich over Trump back in 2016.


Everyone wanted to elect an outsider, someone who wasn't a politician or lawyer, so Trump won.

You reap what you sew, and we sewed a turd.

Trump has changed the entire spectrum of past voting patterns.
More Democrats have become Trump supporters than there are followers of charlatan republican politicians like Jeff Flake,
Kasich, Romney, Bob Corker, John McCain, & former republican talking heads Steve Schmidt, Nicole Wallace & George Will to
name a few. These dinosaurs have almost no standing in there former party & have cast there lot with
the MSM the obvious reqiuem for losers.
 
Gee, what do you do when your fellow republicans are voting against you?

It's really not a big deal. I don't think a few high profile Republicans speaking at the DNC will change many minds. I remember when our Democratic Governor Zell Miller spoke at the RNC for G.W. Bush and had organized a Democrats for Bush committee. Didn't mean anything in the grand scope of things.

If one looks at the recent polls, averaging, 91% of Republicans say they'll vote for Trump, in 2016 88% actually did. 4% say they'll vote for Biden, in 2016 8% voted for Hillary, 1% say third party, in 2016 4% voted third party. 4% are undecided/not sure this year. So it seems Trump is doing slightly better in 2020 among Republicans than he did in 2016.

On the flip side of that coin for comparison, 95% of Democrats say they'll vote for Biden, in 2016 89% voted for Hillary. This is a big 6 point jump over 2016. 3% of Democrats say they'll vote for Trump, a drop of 5 points from 2016 and 1% say they'll vote third party. In 2016 3% of democrats did that.

It does seem this election is more polarized along party lines than even 2016 was. The only thing I'm certain of is that you're not going to have a huge third party vote as in 2016. 6% of the total electorate voted third party which included 12% of independents. This year it will be in the normal range of 1.0 to 1.5% total and probable less than 4% of all independents.
 
You think Kasich is a conservative?

I don't believe there are many actual "conservatives" left. Most people who co-opted that name are just fascist authoritarians these days. Just another Big Government group pushing Big Government policies.
 
Trump's fault the virus is here so he takes responsibility for the trump depression. Worst in us history.

that's both stupid and lacking rational support
 
Actually it's pretty universally accepted that trump has failed in his handling of the virus.

only among the TDS crowd and they will say anything to attack Trump

when you whine about Trump for 3+ years, no one is going to believe your current whines
 
only among the TDS crowd and they will say anything to attack Trump

when you whine about Trump for 3+ years, no one is going to believe your current whines

are all these republicans voting for Biden part of the TDS crowd?
 
are all these republicans voting for Biden part of the TDS crowd?

you mean the RINOS who Trump ran against in 2016? Kasich refused to attend the RNC in 2016 out of petulance
 
you mean the RINOS who Trump ran against in 2016? Kasich refused to attend the RNC in 2016 out of petulance

Is romney a rino? What about your hero georege w? Colin Powell? These are GOP leaders that believe trump is a failure. You are a partisan so you just can't see. Trump has failed in every role of the president. His economy is disastrous. His foreign Policy is *****. This is what happens when a con man becomes president.
 
Is romney a rino? What about your hero georege w? Colin Powell? These are GOP leaders that believe trump is a failure. You are a partisan so you just can't see. Trump has failed in every role of the president. His economy is disastrous. His foreign Policy is *****. This is what happens when a con man becomes president.
W had a hard on ever since Trump thrashed his brother, and Romney had Trump hate since Trump did what Romney couldn't do. Powell has always been a RINO
 
I can see a conservative not voting for Trump if they are pig headed and don't really care about the election. However, I cannot see someone who claims to be a conservative voting for Biden. If you vote for Biden, you do not support conservative ideals

Well..please make the list of conservative ideals that Trump has followed..

Is it the deficit that he caused to explode by increasing spending while decreasing taxes?

Was it the trade war he created?

Was it when he had his lawyer pay off his porn star mistress with campaign funds?

Was it when he used an executive order to take away legally owned property from law abiding citizens or make them destroy that property?

Was it when he said that he knew more than the generals?

Was he being conservative when he stated that he as President could overrun states rights and order them to "open their economies".

Was he being a conservative when he publicly denied the findings of several of our own intelligence agencies that showed that Russia attempted to interfere in the 2016 election.

Was he being a conservative when he has told so many lies that the media cannot keep up?

Please..please give me the list of all the conservative values.. fiscal responsibility, smaller government, personal responsibility that Trump has been a champion of.
 
only among the TDS crowd and they will say anything to attack Trump

when you whine about Trump for 3+ years, no one is going to believe your current whines

Hmmm...please explain your rationale.

According to you.. and you were a lawyer.. if you built a case against someone over 3 plus years.. and had a strong case.. it was actually a weak case.. because you had 3 plus years of evidence...

So please explain your rationale here.
 
It's really not a big deal. I don't think a few high profile Republicans speaking at the DNC will change many minds. I remember when our Democratic Governor Zell Miller spoke at the RNC for G.W. Bush and had organized a Democrats for Bush committee. Didn't mean anything in the grand scope of things.

If one looks at the recent polls, averaging, 91% of Republicans say they'll vote for Trump, in 2016 88% actually did. 4% say they'll vote for Biden, in 2016 8% voted for Hillary, 1% say third party, in 2016 4% voted third party. 4% are undecided/not sure this year. So it seems Trump is doing slightly better in 2020 among Republicans than he did in 2016.

On the flip side of that coin for comparison, 95% of Democrats say they'll vote for Biden, in 2016 89% voted for Hillary. This is a big 6 point jump over 2016. 3% of Democrats say they'll vote for Trump, a drop of 5 points from 2016 and 1% say they'll vote third party. In 2016 3% of democrats did that.

It does seem this election is more polarized along party lines than even 2016 was. The only thing I'm certain of is that you're not going to have a huge third party vote as in 2016. 6% of the total electorate voted third party which included 12% of independents. This year it will be in the normal range of 1.0 to 1.5% total and probable less than 4% of all independents.

The problem with percentages here though is that I believe fewer people are identifying themselves as republicans (and perhaps as democrats as well).. so its not surprising that Trump may have a higher percentage of republicans willing to vote for him.. but its a shrinking number of republicans.

I think that having republicans.. particularly prominent and popular republicans.. that speak out against trump.. will make it easier for former republicans..and those that are on the fence with trump.. hold their nose and vote for Biden over trump
 
I think just about every element of your argument is flawed, but it is too late at night for me to provide the numerous links necessary for its refutation. Remind me if I don't get back to it.

Well.. I would love to hear why you think its flawed.

Hillary did lose the election. Despite getting the popular vote..... why?
 
Well..please make the list of conservative ideals that Trump has followed..

Is it the deficit that he caused to explode by increasing spending while decreasing taxes?

Was it the trade war he created?

Was it when he had his lawyer pay off his porn star mistress with campaign funds?

Was it when he used an executive order to take away legally owned property from law abiding citizens or make them destroy that property?

Was it when he said that he knew more than the generals?

Was he being conservative when he stated that he as President could overrun states rights and order them to "open their economies".

Was he being a conservative when he publicly denied the findings of several of our own intelligence agencies that showed that Russia attempted to interfere in the 2016 election.

Was he being a conservative when he has told so many lies that the media cannot keep up?

Please..please give me the list of all the conservative values.. fiscal responsibility, smaller government, personal responsibility that Trump has been a champion of.

tell us what conservative principles Biden supports. you claim to be a conservative and you support Biden
 
The problem with percentages here though is that I believe fewer people are identifying themselves as republicans (and perhaps as democrats as well).. so its not surprising that Trump may have a higher percentage of republicans willing to vote for him.. but its a shrinking number of republicans.

I think that having republicans.. particularly prominent and popular republicans.. that speak out against trump.. will make it easier for former republicans..and those that are on the fence with trump.. hold their nose and vote for Biden over trump

You're correct as far as I'm concerned. If one goes by Gallup, in Nov 2016 Republicans made up 27% of the electorate to 31% for the Democrats. As of 12 Aug 2020, the numbers Gallup gives is 26% Republican, 30% Democratic. Independents made up 40% in 2016 and as of 12 Aug 2020. That's just part of the story.

In 2006 the numbers were Republicans 31%, Democrats 37%, Independents 30%. It's that last group that catches my eye. A growth of 10 points or percentage since 2006 while the Democrats lost 7 points and the GOP lost 4. As a result I think there is much more involved here than just Trump. It seems to me that a lot of folks don't want to identify themselves with either party as they once did.

Bare with me, independents can be broken down into three groups, independents lean Republican, independents lean democratic and pure or true independents with no leans. Out of the 30% of the electorate who identified themselves as independents in 2006 8 leaned toward the Republicans, 11 toward the Democrats and 11 with no leans, as true or pure independents. Which would put Republicans and Republican leaners at 39%, Democrats and Democratic leaners at 49% in 2006 with 11% actually true or pure independents with no leans.

2020 breaking down independents, 16 out of the 40 lean toward the Republicans, 18 out of 40 toward the Democrats with only 6% being true or pure independents with no leans. The total is 42% making up Republicans and leaners, 48% making up Democrats and Democratic leaners. In other words, both major parties have shrunk, but those who left still identify as independent leaners with their former party. The number of true independents have also shrunk.

History has shown on average 90% of those who identify themselves as Republicans and Democrats will vote for their party's candidates regardless of who that is. But leaners vote on average 70% of the time for the party's candidates they lean toward. An easy equation if one desires to figure out the popular vote which I use in my monthly forecasts.

I think the bottom line here is that more and more people are reluctant to identify with either major party today, but the majority who were proud to state their party affiliation back in 2006, most still vote for candidates of their old affiliation although today, they want to be known as independents. Make sense? Numbers are fascinating to me.
 
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Well.. I would love to hear why you think its flawed.

Hillary did lose the election. Despite getting the popular vote..... why?

You fellows said the same thing to me when I pointed out that Hillary was unlikely to win.
No.. progressive policies are NOT popular nationally. They are popular with large democratic voting areas.. but not nationally.
PLEASE please don't tell me that "Democratic areas" don't count.

I have previously referred to the PEW research surveys which indicate that MANY progressive policies are popular nationwide. There are pockets of resistance, it is true, but not majorities - pretty much anywhere, but the data is not county-by-county fine. Some even have majority support among Republicans. For example,
"The share of Americans who say gun laws in the U.S. should be made stricter has increased from 52% in 2017 to 60% this year, according to a survey conducted in September 2019. Smaller shares say U.S. gun laws are about right (28%) or should be less strict (11%)."
Around nine-in-ten Republicans and Republican-leaning independents (92%) and Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents (91%) say they favor preventing people with mental illnesses from buying guns. And large majorities of both Democrats (93%) and Republicans (82%) favor background checks for private gun sales and sales at gun shows.

Not in the states you need to win the electoral college.
You'll have to be more specific than that. I think I can get there pretty fast. Your claim, you'll need to support it.

Medicare for all... scares the bejeesus out of seniors.
Only when people use scare tactics, and lie about what it means. Most continue to say ensuring health care coverage is government’s responsibility

Your anti gun policy turns off 40% of voters mostly in those western and midwest states you need.
Wrong. Sorry, just pointed that out. You'd like to think that, for partisan reasons, but that just isn't true.

Global warming and getting rid of fossil fuels? Works great in your democratic cities..and scares the bejeesus out of the midwest and west and other areas that rely on fossil fuels for their economy.
Again, wrong. U.S. Public Views on Climate and Energy
Majorities of Americans say the federal government is doing too little for key aspects of the environment, from protecting water or air quality to reducing the effects of climate change. And most believe the United States should focus on developing alternative sources of energy over expansion of fossil fuel sources, according to a new Pew Research Center survey
About two-thirds of U.S. adults (67%) say the federal government is doing too little to reduce the effects of climate change, and similar shares say the same about government efforts to protect air (67%) and water quality (68%) – findings that are consistent with results from a 2018 Center survey.

While there is strong consensus among Democrats (90%, including independents who lean to the Democratic Party) on the need for more government efforts to reduce the effects of climate change, Republican views are divided along ideological, generational and gender lines. A majority of moderate or liberal Republicans (65%, including GOP-leaning independents) say the federal government is doing too little to reduce the effects of climate change. In contrast, only about one-quarter of conservative Republicans (24%) say the same, while about half (48%) think the government is doing about the right amount and another 26% say it is doing too much.

but hey... if Biden loses.. you can console yourself with "but but but... he won the popular vote".
Biden is not likely to lose. He's polling at over 50% in many of the swing States. I know that is not going to assuage your panic, but life happens.
 
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his incompetence has lead to a great economy, great judges and low unemployment.
Oh boy you seriously don't believe this do you? The economy sucks and unemployment is at a historic high. His judges are two right wing activists. One of them is a rapist.
 
Oh boy you seriously don't believe this do you? The economy sucks and unemployment is at a historic high. His judges are two right wing activists. One of them is a rapist.

the only reason the economy (which is in better shape than it was under Obama) is due to the chinese virus

when You call Kavanaugh a "rapist" it demonstrates that you are willing to spew obvious lies. Why would a person who claims to be very conservative be whining about right wing judges unless your confused definition of conservative means hard core socialist
 
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