Republican creates a bill to put 10 commandments in the classroom in public schools.

[VySky]

If you ever wondered why republicans get accused of forcing their religious beliefs on others, THIS is why.

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He needs to be removed from office in disgrace.

How is it being forced if it’s a bill?

 

[VySky]

To the conservatives who want the Ten Commandments in schools....

Which version and why?

There is more than one version, so please clarify which one and why you think that version is the best one.

The 10 Commandments don’t have the significance they once had prior to Jesus death on the cross.

IOW, they have been overcome by events.

 

[butterfly]

Progressive and devout Christian are mutually exclusive.

Well, you don't get to judge that.

 

[AZRWinger]

Well, you don't get to judge that.

True that. The Lord will judge us all. But, it's fair to point out someone who lists themselves first as a Progressive and then as a devout Christian isn't practicing Christ's teachings to place Christianity above everything else. As radical Leftist Van Jones declares, Progressive Christianity is dropping the radical pose to achieve the radical result. Wrapping radical Progressive anti Christianity policies in a patina of Christianity is corruption.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

How is it being forced if it’s a bill?

There is a separation of church and state. What he is doing is illegal. He is trying to force HIS religious on public school students by putting the 10 commandments in each classroom.

This is grounds for his immediate removal.

 

[AZRWinger]

A nonsensical, unsubstantiated positive assertion.^

"silence" =/= "atheism". - ( Consult any dictionary for verification )

Atheists would prefer all to join them in actively denying God. But they are comfortable silencing public religious expression. Either alternative promotes atheism.

 

[dockside]

Atheists would prefer all to join them in actively denying God. But they are comfortable silencing public religious expression. Either alternative promotes atheism.

And, you, of course know this because that is what all atheists are saying, right here on DP. No atheist that I know has ever asked anyone else to join them in actively denying God. They only want others to stop trying in impose their religious beliefs on them. A live and let live attitude, IMO.

 

[AZRWinger]

There is a separation of church and state. What he is doing is illegal. He is trying to force HIS religious on public school students by putting the 10 commandments in each classroom.

This is grounds for his immediate removal.

No, there is a prohibition against establishing a state religion. There is also a guarantee of the right to freely practice religion. Posting a copy of the 10 commandments on the classroom wall as it is in the SCOTUS chamber doesn't force any student to adopt Christian beliefs any more than it compels the SCOTUS to rule based on them.

But hey, mob rule to protect atheists sensibilities is Democrat rule of law.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

No, there is a prohibition against establishing a state religion. There is also a guarantee of the right to freely practice religion. Posting a copy of the 10 commandments on the classroom wall as it is in the SCOTUS chamber doesn't force any student to adopt Christian beliefs any more than it compels the SCOTUS to rule based on them.

Yes, it does.

Not every student is Christian. Posting the 10 commandments would then be forcing Christianity on all students. It's not acceptable.

But hey, mob rule to protect atheists sensibilities is Democrat rule of law.

This is baseless right-wing tripe.

 

[Mircea]

Sure.

Um, militias are illegal. In fact, it was Burger who helped make them illegal.

All public schools are supposed to ban religious expression thanks mostly to court edicts.

Jesus would approve.

To the conservatives who want the Ten Commandments in schools....

Which version and why?

Please, they're too damn stupid to understand the question.

Posting a copy of the 10 commandments on the classroom wall as it is in the SCOTUS chamber doesn't force any student to adopt Christian beliefs any more than it compels the SCOTUS to rule based on them.

First of all, there's 613 Commandments, not 10.

None of us are surprised you don't know that.

Since the Hebrews plagiarized the commandments from the Egyptian Book of the Dead written more than a 1,000 years before X-Moses existed we can settle this by posting them instead of your commandments, right?

 

[AZRWinger]

And, you, of course know this because that is what all atheists are saying, right here on DP. No atheist that I know has ever asked anyone else to join them in actively denying God. They only want others to stop trying in impose their religious beliefs on them. A live and let live attitude, IMO.

You're claiming athiests don't actively proselytize? Absurd. Because no atheist you know tries to get others to join them it isn't happening. The means atheists want to use to protect them from so-called imposition of religion is to impose censorship banning religious expression, claim that imposing regulations violating religious beliefs is equal treatment and stripping religious from the public square is protecting liberty. These are all identical to Marxist tactics.

 

[dockside]

You're claiming athiests don't actively proselytize? Absurd. Because no atheist you know tries to get others to join them it isn't happening. The means atheists want to use to protect them from so-called imposition of religion is to impose censorship banning religious expression, claim that imposing regulations violating religious beliefs is equal treatment and stripping religious from the public square is protecting liberty. These are all identical to Marxist tactics.

Actively proselytize to me means passing laws to make it illegal or difficult to have a religious belief. If that was done, and the religious brought lawsuits to stop it, I'd support those lawsuits as government endorsing religion or the lack of a religious belief is something the government is prohibited from doing by the constitution. Attempting to keep the government from endorsing a religious belief is not imposing a religion on anyone.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

You're claiming athiests don't actively proselytize? Absurd. Because no atheist you know tries to get others to join them it isn't happening. The means atheists want to use to protect them from so-called imposition of religion is to impose censorship banning religious expression, claim that imposing regulations violating religious beliefs is equal treatment and stripping religious from the public square is protecting liberty. These are all identical to Marxist tactics.

No, they are not.

Not every student in school is Christian. Their are Jewish students, Muslim students, Hindu Students, etc... Putting the 10 commandments in a classroom is the same as the school being a Christian school. In public schools, this is unacceptable. There is NOTHING Marxist about it.

 

[butterfly]

True that. The Lord will judge us all. But, it's fair to point out someone who lists themselves first as a Progressive and then as a devout Christian isn't practicing Christ's teachings to place Christianity above everything else. As radical Leftist Van Jones declares, Progressive Christianity is dropping the radical pose to achieve the radical result. Wrapping radical Progressive anti Christianity policies in a patina of Christianity is corruption.

The order wasn't by any means the order of importance. I am a Christian first. I am not more radical than the Sermon on the Mount, but I wish I were.

 

[AZRWinger]

Yes, it does.

Not every student is Christian. Posting the 10 commandments would then be forcing Christianity on all students. It's not acceptable.

This is baseless right-wing tripe.

Not every student is atheist. Yet, atheism is the only approved religion.

By your definition, when a student reads something or has it read to them it's coercion. It follows that for their own protection students must not be taught to read. Preposterous.

 

[AZRWinger]

The order wasn't by any means the order of importance. I am a Christian first. I am not more radical than the Sermon on the Mount, but I wish I were.

Hmm... Deny the primacy of your Progressive beliefs then fail to mention them at all. Are we supposed to forge

Actively proselytize to me means passing laws to make it illegal or difficult to have a religious belief. If that was done, and the religious brought lawsuits to stop it, I'd support those lawsuits as government endorsing religion or the lack of a religious belief is something the government is prohibited from doing by the constitution. Attempting to keep the government from endorsing a religious belief is not imposing a religion on anyone.

From the Oxford dictionary proselytize is
"convert or attempt to convert (someone) from one religion, belief, or opinion to another."

Atheists certainly proselytise. Their preferred method is compulsion through court orders.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Not every student is atheist. Yet, atheism is the only approved religion.

Atheism is not a religion.

By your definition, when a student reads something or has it read to them it's coercion. It follows that for their own protection students must not be taught to read. Preposterous.

That is not what I said.

I said forcing the religious tenants of a single religion into public school is NOT acceptable.

 

[AZRWinger]

Atheism is not a religion.

Of course it is. Atheism is a religion of denial. And, denial is a jealous god.

That is not what I said.

I said forcing the religious tenants of a single religion into public school is NOT acceptable.

You wrote that posting the 10 commandments in a public school is forcing them on non Christians.

Suppressing Christian expression in spite of the Constitutional guarantee of free exercise is unacceptable.

 

[Luce]

Wait. Are we talking about religious fanatics or guns?

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Of course it is. Atheism is a religion of denial. And, denial is a jealous god.

No, it's not.

Atheists do not believe in God. That isn't a religion. They cannot deny or be jealous of what they do not believe in.

You wrote that posting the 10 commandments in a public school is forcing them on non Christians.

It would be.

Suppressing Christian expression in spite of the Constitutional guarantee of free exercise is unacceptable.

Christians are free to express their beliefs. They are not free to force them on the rest of the population.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Wait. Are we talking about religious fanatics or guns?

We are talking about a religious fanatic who wants to put the 10 commandments in every school classroom.

 

[Luce]

Schools are already required to promote atheism by the ban on religion imposed by "freedom from religion" crowd. Not even a moment of silence is permitted as it may offend the tender sensibilities of atheists who imagine children exposed to prayer.

The problem with the 10 commandments begins with the first one, thou shall have no God before me". This is an anathema to the so-called Progressive foundational belief in government as the Supreme authority. In Biden’s America this divine authority to smite one's enemy can be delegated down to an appointed Secretary of State editing the ballot.

Why do we need a moment of silence? Just to satisfy the urgings of religious maniacs?

Pray on your own time.

 

[Somerville]

Not every student is atheist. Yet, atheism is the only approved religion.

By your definition, when a student reads something or has it read to them it's coercion. It follows that for their own protection students must not be taught to read. Preposterous.

The problem lies with the 'Christians' who block the religious expressions of those of different faiths. If a teacher reads a Bible verse, then a Qu'ran verse, followed by a passage from the Rig Vedas, I wouldn't have a problem - AS LONG AS THE WORDS FROM THOSE OTHER FAITHS ARE NOT DENIGRATED. However, such a discussion is not really suitable in a high school classroom, the kids generally haven't had enough exposure to cultures outside of their neighbourhood to understand how widely-varying beliefs may be compared., though this may not be true in large city schools.

Schools are already required to promote atheism by the ban on religion imposed by "freedom from religion" crowd. Not even a moment of silence is permitted as it may offend the tender sensibilities of atheists who imagine children exposed to prayer.

The problem with the 10 commandments begins with the first one, thou shall have no God before me".

Actually the commandment reads in the King James Version: "3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
A rational person might think that the person(s) who wrote the commandments accepted the reality of the existence of multiple deities but that the Israelites could only worship YHWH - just ignore those other guys and dolls in the celestial sphere. We talked about this in my high school, I graduated from a Catholic school, and I remember wondering about the plural statement. Then of course, there's that other commandment -

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God

A commandment that has been ignored in the Church since the earliest days.

 

[Risky Thicket]

My guess is his constituents are happy he's trying to do this.

Isn't this how democracy is supposed to work?

Theocracy is anathema to democracy.

 

[Somerville]

Of course it is. Atheism is a religion of denial. And, denial is a jealous god.

You wrote that posting the 10 commandments in a public school is forcing them on non Christians.

Suppressing Christian expression in spite of the Constitutional guarantee of free exercise is unacceptable.

So, you wouldn't mind a copy of Surah 17 being posted in public school classrooms

1. "Worship only God," (17:22);
2. "Be kind, honourable and humble to one's parents," (17:23-24) ;
3. "Be neither miserly nor wasteful," (17:26-29);
4. "Do not engage in 'mercy killings' for fear of starvation," God will provide. (17:31);
5. "Do not commit adultery," (17:32);
6. "Do not kill unjustly," (17:33);
7. "Care for orphaned children,"(17:34);
8. "Keep one's promises:" (17:34);
9. "Be honest and fair in one's interactions," (17:35);
10. "Do not be arrogant in one's claims or beliefs," (17:36-37).