Republican creates a bill to put 10 commandments in the classroom in public schools.

[Somerville]

Having studied a bit of history, I'm afraid I have to disagree with this website's claim about the age of the rules but I do think the 20 Rules Of Native American Code For Mankind To Live By could be posted in classrooms without offending too many rational persons. Any of the rules could be found in any of the many tribes in North America but there were too many differences between the cultures of the indigenous peoples for one set of rules to have been honored by all.

1. Rise with the sun to pray. Pray alone. Pray often. The Great Spirit will listen if you only speak.
2. Be tolerant of those who are lost on their path. Ignorance, conceit, anger, jealousy, and greed stem from a lost soul. Pray that they will find guidance.
3. Search for yourself, by yourself. Do not allow others to make your path for you. It is your road and yours alone. Others may walk it with you, but no one can walk it for you.
4. Treat the guests in your home with much consideration. Serve them the best food, give them the best bed and treat them with respect and honor.
5. Do not take what is not yours whether from a person, a community, the wilderness, or from a culture. It was not earned nor given. It is not yours.
6. Respect all things that are placed upon this earth – whether it be people or plants.
7. Honor other people’s thoughts, wishes, and words. Never interrupt another or mock or rudely mimic them. Allow each person the right to personal expression.
8. Never speak of others in a bad way. The negative energy that you put out into the universe will multiply when it returns to you.
9. All persons make mistakes. And all mistakes can be forgiven.
10. Bad thoughts cause illness of the mind, body, and spirit. Practice optimism.
11. Nature is not for us, it is a part of us. They are part of your worldly family.
12. Children are the seeds of our future. Plant love in their hearts and water them with wisdom and life’s lessons. When they are grown, give them space to grow.
13. Avoid hurting the hearts of others. The poison of your pain will return to you.
14. Be truthful at all times. Honesty is the test of one’s will within this universe.
15. Keep yourself balanced. Your Mental self, Spiritual self, Emotional self, and Physical self, all need to be strong, pure, and healthy. Work out the body to strengthen the mind. Grow rich in spirit to cure emotional ails.
16. Make conscious decisions as to who you will be and how you will react. Be responsible for your own actions.
17. Respect the privacy and personal space of others. Do not touch the personal property of others, especially sacred and religious objects. This is forbidden.
18. Be true to yourself first. You cannot nurture and help others if you cannot nurture and help yourself first.
19. Respect others religious beliefs. Do not force your belief on others.
20. Share your good fortune with others. Participate in charity.

 

[butterfly]

Hmm... Deny the primacy of your Progressive beliefs then fail to mention them at all. Are we supposed to forge

I see you're fond of twisting genuine replies.

 

[marduc]

This will open the door for the following to be posted alongside it:

THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS​

I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

 

[Gordy327]

Atheists would prefer all to join them in actively denying God. But they are comfortable silencing public religious expression. Either alternative promotes atheism.

That sure is some stupid conspiracy level BS right there!

Of course it is. Atheism is a religion of denial. And, denial is a jealous god.

And that is just doubling down on the stupid.

You wrote that posting the 10 commandments in a public school is forcing them on non Christians.

Suppressing Christian expression in spite of the Constitutional guarantee of free exercise is unacceptable.

You fail to understand a public school or any government agency cannot endorse or validate your religion for you.

 

[AZRWinger]

No, it's not.

Atheists do not believe in God. That isn't a religion. They cannot deny or be jealous of what they do not believe in.

Atheists are insistent on others joining them in their denial of God. In their ideal world religious symbols and texts are banned from the classroom and public square. It's the same goal championed by so called open minded Leftists

It would be.

So now you are back opposing teaching literacy to protect students from coercion.

Christians are free to express their beliefs. They are not free to force them on the rest of the population.

No, Christians aren't free to express our beliefs. By your definition posting a copy of the 10 commandments is coercion.

 

[Gordy327]

Atheists are insistent on others joining them in their denial of God. In their ideal world religious symbols and texts are banned from the classroom and public square. It's the same goal championed by so called open minded Leftists

What atheists would those be? I don't see atheists proselytizing or going door to door trying to get converts. That must be quite the fantasy in your mind.

No, Christians aren't free to express our beliefs. By your definition posting a copy of the 10 commandments is coercion.

Yes they are. You're just playing the victim here.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Atheists are insistent on others joining them in their denial of God. In their ideal world religious symbols and texts are banned from the classroom and public square. It's the same goal championed by so called open minded Leftists

I have never seen this happen. Atheists do not believe in God, but they do not go out and knock on doors and tell people to join them.

So now you are back opposing teaching literacy to protect students from coercion.

I never said anything about that. I said religion doesn't belong in the classroom.

No, Christians aren't free to express our beliefs. By your definition posting a copy of the 10 commandments is coercion.

You are free to express your beliefs. You are not free to post them in public classrooms. Not every child is a Christian and it would be unfair to force them to have to look at the tenants of a religion they do not belong to.

The good news is that if they want to see the 10 commandments, they can go to church on Sunday and see them there.

 

[AZRWinger]

I have never seen this happen. Atheists do not believe in God, but they do not go out and knock on doors and tell people to join them.

I never said anything about that. I said religion doesn't belong in the classroom.

You are free to express your beliefs. You are not free to post them in public classrooms. Not every child is a Christian and it would be unfair to force them to have to look at the tenants of a religion they do not belong to.

You refuse to discuss what you wrote. Instead you just repeat the same talking points.

The good news is that if they want to see the 10 commandments, they can go to church on Sunday and see them there.

There you go. The free exercise of religion is redefined to quarantine worship to confinement within sanctuary walls on designated restrictive times. Yeah, that's freedom.

 

[mrjurrs]

If you ever wondered why republicans get accused of forcing their religious beliefs on others, THIS is why.

MSN

He needs to be removed from office in disgrace.

Unconstitutional on its face.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

Atheists would prefer all to join them in actively denying God. But they are comfortable silencing public religious expression.

Courthouses and schools are not simply "public." Courts have authority over all citizens, and schools have authority over children. The first amendment requires that government authority not be given to any one church, and this includes posting the Ten Commandments anywhere on the premises.

You could likely work a cross, a star of David, or a crescent into the design of the actual building. That's deniable, but the Commandments are orders from God and should never be mixed up with the authority of the state.

Particularly when government holds to be illegal some things which were overlooked in the Commandments (like child abuse or slavery), while holding to be legal other things which are forbidden in the Commandments (like dishonoring your parents, or worshiping more than one God.)

Either alternative promotes atheism.

Wrong. Teachers and administrators in public schools may not promote any religion. That is NOT the same thing as promoting Atheism.

Your fallacy is the "fallacy of the missing middle."

 

[The Stars Tremble]

No, there is a prohibition against establishing a state religion. There is also a guarantee of the right to freely practice religion. Posting a copy of the 10 commandments on the classroom wall as it is in the SCOTUS chamber doesn't force any student to adopt Christian beliefs any more than it compels the SCOTUS to rule based on them.

It has a "chilling effect" on the religious expression of some students. This is enough to violate freedom of speech.

But hey, mob rule to protect atheists sensibilities is Democrat rule of law.

The constitution is the very opposite of "mob rule."

 

[The Stars Tremble]

Suppressing Christian expression in spite of the Constitutional guarantee of free exercise is unacceptable.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The religious clause is separated by a semicolon, so it stands alone.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Again, your fallacy is the fallacy of the missing middle. Government cannot allow "exercise" of religion in places where its employees have authority (courthouses, police stations, schools, government offices), because that would violate the first ten words. Free exercise applies everywhere else (including apparently the US Congress.)

 

[The Stars Tremble]

The problem lies with the 'Christians' who block the religious expressions of those of different faiths. If a teacher reads a Bible verse, then a Qu'ran verse, followed by a passage from the Rig Vedas, I wouldn't have a problem - AS LONG AS THE WORDS FROM THOSE OTHER FAITHS ARE NOT DENIGRATED. However, such a discussion is not really suitable in a high school classroom, the kids generally haven't had enough exposure to cultures outside of their neighbourhood to understand how widely-varying beliefs may be compared., though this may not be true in large city schools.


Actually the commandment reads in the King James Version: "3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
A rational person might think that the person(s) who wrote the commandments accepted the reality of the existence of multiple deities but that the Israelites could only worship YHWH - just ignore those other guys and dolls in the celestial sphere. We talked about this in my high school, I graduated from a Catholic school, and I remember wondering about the plural statement. Then of course, there's that other commandment -

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God

A commandment that has been ignored in the Church since the earliest days.

"No idol of God, Gods, or Devils" seems like an unnecessary restriction if people already follow the first commandment. I think it's a bit like child porn: if people can be persecuted and killed just for possessing an idol, that deals with heretics who it would be hard to prove the innermost beliefs of.

Churches are not in violation of the 5th Commandment, if they have a life-sized statue of Jesus right there in the chapel. What they're prohibited from is making an image of God (or the Devil, or anything "supernatural"). Mostly they comply, though it's hard to respect a church which would cancel Michelangelo.

 

[AZRWinger]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The religious clause is separated by a semicolon, so it stands alone.

A semicolon separates two independent but closely related clauses. Its use in the 1A indicates freedom of religion is as important as freedom of speech.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Again, your fallacy is the fallacy of the missing middle. Government cannot allow "exercise" of religion in places where its employees have authority (courthouses, police stations, schools, government offices), because that would violate the first ten words. Free exercise applies everywhere else (including apparently the US Congress.)

Kindly cite the Constitutional text creating these imaginary zones of government authority allowed to suppress religion. Not some grammatical backflip; the plain text selectively excluding these areas from Constitutional guarantees.

Again your fallacy places Constitutional rights at the whim of bureaucrats creating zones of authority.

 

[Gordy327]

A semicolon separates two independent but closely related clauses. Its use in the 1A indicates freedom of religion is as important as freedom of speech.

Kindly cite the Constitutional text creating these imaginary zones of government authority allowed to suppress religion. Not some grammatical backflip; the plain text selectively excluding these areas from Constitutional guarantees.

Again your fallacy places Constitutional rights at the whim of bureaucrats creating zones of authority.

Specify where the government is suppressing religion!

 

[lwf]

No, there is a prohibition against establishing a state religion. There is also a guarantee of the right to freely practice religion. Posting a copy of the 10 commandments on the classroom wall as it is in the SCOTUS chamber doesn't force any student to adopt Christian beliefs any more than it compels the SCOTUS to rule based on them.

But hey, mob rule to protect atheists sensibilities is Democrat rule of law.

I assume, then, that you would be fine with the government also forcing all public schools to post the Five Pillars of Islam in a conspicuous place in every school in the country? Along with the Four Puruṣārthas? What about the Seven Tenets of Satanism?

If not, why not?

 

[dockside]

No, there is a prohibition against establishing a state religion. There is also a guarantee of the right to freely practice religion. Posting a copy of the 10 commandments on the classroom wall as it is in the SCOTUS chamber doesn't force any student to adopt Christian beliefs any more than it compels the SCOTUS to rule based on them.

But hey, mob rule to protect atheists sensibilities is Democrat rule of law.

So why bother posting them? If it's just meant for those of the Christian/Jewish faiths, don't they hear and learn of those commandments in their churches and synagogues? Plus, posting them in a "government" school is exactly what the 1st Amendment forbids - the government imposing religious beliefs of just one religion on the populace. Get educated.

 

[Blue Dog]

This was never meant to succeed. It was an elected rep who wanted to gain national attention and increase fund raising in the process.

It is pathetic that so many people who are supposed to represent us in government seemed more concerned with political stunts…

 

[Gordy327]

It is pathetic that so many people who are supposed to represent us in government seemed more concerned with political stunts…

Not to mention scoring political points too. Just look at how frenzied certain theists get when it comes to the idea of government displays of religion. It's like they want everything to be plastered with Jesus, the Bible, or a cross.

 

[Luce]

I want MY religious code on the walls of schools.

And no, that's not the 10 commandments.