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Republican creates a bill to put 10 commandments in the classroom in public schools.

AZRWinger said:
Schools are already required to promote atheism by the ban on religion imposed by "freedom from religion" crowd.
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What schools have banned religion? Not promoting religion is not the same as promoting atheism.
AZRWinger said:
Not even a moment of silence is permitted as it may offend the tender sensibilities of atheists who imagine children exposed to prayer.
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Again, which schools? I'd wager many do have a moment of silence.
AZRWinger said:
The problem with the 10 commandments begins with the first one, thou shall have no God before me". This is an anathema to the so-called Progressive foundational belief in government as the Supreme authority. In Biden’s America this divine authority to smite one's enemy can be delegated down to an appointed Secretary of State editing the ballot.
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Now you're just flying out of left field with that nonsense.
 
Ug make hammer said:
He's either a troll, or he's unbelievably ignorant of the US constitution.
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He's also ignorant of history and religion.

The 10 Commandments (out of 613 Commandments in the mitzvah) were plagiarized from the Egyptian Book of the Dead written more than 1,000 years before X-Moses was born.
 
Ug make hammer said:
It's remarkable how the Trump phenomenon has turned right wingers around from "the US is a republic not a democracy" and "the US is a nation of laws not men."
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That is obvious bullshit and I've never claimed to believe it.

Ug make hammer said:
Now apparently righties believe in democracy even above the constitution.
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If it were up to me government-run schools wouldn't exist, and then we wouldn't have to worry about things like this.
 
aociswundumho said:
That is obvious bullshit and I've never claimed to believe it.



If it were up to me government-run schools wouldn't exist, and then we wouldn't have to worry about things like this.
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Like the old Confederacy. What a bleak prospect.
 
Ug make hammer said:
Yeah well, that just illustrates that sometimes the SC is wrong. "History and Tradition" 1, Constitution 0.
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Is it ok for blue states to ignore bad supreme court decisions which benefit the right wing?
 
humbolt said:
It’s too much. Maybe post just five to start.
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And include a picture of Trump who is Jesus' right-hand-man and true servant of God.

MAGA.
 
AZRWinger said:
Schools are already required to promote atheism by the ban on religion imposed by "freedom from religion" crowd. Not even a moment of silence is permitted as it may offend the tender sensibilities of atheists who imagine children exposed to prayer.

The problem with the 10 commandments begins with the first one, thou shall have no God before me". This is an anathema to the so-called Progressive foundational belief in government as the Supreme authority. In Biden’s America this divine authority to smite one's enemy can be delegated down to an appointed Secretary of State editing the ballot.
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I am a progressive and also a devout Christian. It is untrue that a moment of silence isn't permitted. If that is the case in your particular school system, you can mention there can be no law against a moment of silence. What, I wonder, is your view if the leadership in your school system is, let's say, Sikh. In the school system where my late husband taught, many professional faculty were Sikh because there was a nearby Gurdwara. In fact, it was next door to the Methodist Church where I was the associate pastor. I loved those people. We had much interaction, but I'm not certain I would want my young children being led in a Sikh prayer. It isn't our faith tradition. Further, there are some Protestant denominations whose traditions I'm not that comfortable with on a daily basis. So, what are your feelings on that particularly if you have children in early grade school.
 
Gordy327 said:
What schools have banned religion? Not promoting religion is not the same as promoting atheism.
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All public schools are supposed to ban religious expression thanks mostly to court edicts. Even religiously based social clubs are not permitted. The only accepted alternatives are silence and denial of God. Both are atheism

Gordy327 said:
Again, which schools? I'd wager many do have a moment of silence.
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Educate yourself.
Atheists might feel left out or coerced to prayer by a moment of silence so it's banned.
Gordy327 said:
Now you're just flying out of left field with that nonsense.
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Look at zealous stripping of Christian symbols and expression from the public square. Democrats are fond of circumventing religious practice through making public law superior
The State over religious conviction.
 
butterfly said:
I am a progressive and also a devout Christian. It is untrue that a moment of silence isn't permitted. If that is the case in your particular school system, you can mention there can be no law against a moment of silence. What, I wonder, is your view if the leadership in your school system is, let's say, Sikh. In the school system where my late husband taught, many professional faculty were Sikh because there was a nearby Gurdwara. In fact, it was next door to the Methodist Church where I was the associate pastor. I loved those people. We had much interaction, but I'm not certain I would want my young children being led in a Sikh prayer. It isn't our faith tradition. Further, there are some Protestant denominations whose traditions I'm not that comfortable with on a daily basis. So, what are your feelings on that particularly if you have children in early grade school.
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Progressive and devout Christian are mutually exclusive.
 
AZRWinger said:
All public schools are supposed to ban religious expression thanks mostly to court edicts. Even religiously based social clubs are not permitted. The only accepted alternatives are silence and denial of God. Both are atheism.
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That is false. A public school cannot promote or endorse a religion. But that is not s tacit approval of atheism. Religion is effectively (or should be) a non-issue in schools. Explain how silence is denial of God or atheism. Silence is silence.
AZRWinger said:
Educate yourself.
Atheists might feel left out or coerced to prayer by a moment of silence so it's banned.
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You first! If there's simple, how do you know one is praying or not? Kids can think whatever they want in that moment, including a silent prayer if they're so inclined. How would anyone else know?
AZRWinger said:
Look at zealous stripping of Christian symbols and expression from the public square. Democrats are fond of circumventing religious practice through making public law superior
The State over religious conviction.
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Your bias obviously clouds your rationality. Religious expression is still allowed. But it must be available to all religions too. It seems mostly Christians who take issue with sharing the space.
AZRWinger said:
Progressive and devout Christian are mutually exclusive.
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Good. Religion tends to be regressive and backwards.
 
aociswundumho said:
Funny how Democrats concern for constitutionality complete disappears when come to gun control laws.
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Ok, make another thread based on that topic.

In this thread, we are talking about if it is legal to impose the 10 commandments in public schools which would fly in the face of the 1st Amendment.
 
AZRWinger said:
Schools are already required to promote atheism by the ban on religion imposed by "freedom from religion" crowd. Not even a moment of silence is permitted as it may offend the tender sensibilities of atheists who imagine children exposed to prayer.

The problem with the 10 commandments begins with the first one, thou shall have no God before me". This is an anathema to the so-called Progressive foundational belief in government as the Supreme authority. In Biden’s America this divine authority to smite one's enemy can be delegated down to an appointed Secretary of State editing the ballot.
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Telling schools not to favor one religion over another is not atheism.

Many schools have a course that is sometimes called "Comparative Religion" where the world's religions are compared to each other...but your side then claimed it was indoctrination against Christianity. The class passes the law as it doesn't promote one over another, but simply explains there are other religions out there.

Your moment of silence comment is largely speaking, not correct. Oh, I'm sure you could find an example or two....but overall, no. A moment of silence is also for anyone who claims to be an atheist as they are not required to pray to anything.
 
aociswundumho said:
Yes, in a country where the house of representatives opens with a prayer.



Yes, as interpreted by the supremes, not you.
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Basically, there is no problem with an opening legislative prayer as long as it follows certain rules like these, as ruled by the Supreme Court:

"...legislative prayer must be solemn and respectful in tone; must invite lawmakers to reflect upon shared ideals and common ends; must not belittle nonbelievers or religious minorities;must not preach conversion; and must not apply pressure (direct or indirect) on those in attendance to participate. Finally, the Court ruled that the prayer should include an express statement that those attending the legislative session are not required tostay during its delivery or participate in any way. In sum, legislatures must ensure that clergy-led prayers are inclusive, suited to the legislative setting, and geared towards the ends of the legislative process."

So, in essence, the Supreme Court ruled that this was okay as long as other religious leaders are allowed to lead the opening prayer as well. Now, let's go on to the concept of lawmaker led prayer. The Supreme Court ruled that a legislative body could not limit to itself to lead a prayer and limit it only to the religion of those who are in the legislative body. This means that even though Congress could be, and has been in the past, 100% Christian, they still have to allow the ability for non-Christians to lead prayers and need to provide that distinction from time to time.

So, Congress can open with a prayer...with the understanding that it could be a non-Christian prayer and no one is obligated to even be present for the prayer. Not exactly what I think you may have been trying to imply.

Side note: the daily opening prayer for Congress also has one more limitation to it. It can be no more than 150 words long.
 
ColdHardTruth said:
If you ever wondered why republicans get accused of forcing their religious beliefs on others, THIS is why.


He needs to be removed from office in disgrace.
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Sounds Catholic
 
To the conservatives who want the Ten Commandments in schools....

Which version and why?

There is more than one version, so please clarify which one and why you think that version is the best one.
 
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