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Republican creates a bill to put 10 commandments in the classroom in public schools.

He's either a troll, or he's unbelievably ignorant of the US constitution.
 
However, state Rep. Jacob Rosecrants, a Democrat from Norman who used to be a teacher, previously said requiring the Ten Commandments is not going to help teach kids.

"First of all, I believe that’s unconstitutional.
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Funny how Democrats concern for constitutionality complete disappears when come to gun control laws.
 
Individual said:
Thou shall not kill?
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Even that one is problematic. In literal meaning it endorses veganism, so kids ARE going to ask, and the teacher might be drawn further into unconstitutional discussion of theology.

"Thou shall have no other Gods beside me" is the worst. No public school can make any such rule, explicitly or implicitly.

"Honor thy father and thy mother (or you will die)" is troubling too. Suppose a child is being abused at home. What does this commandment urge them to do about it? They SHOULD report it to a teacher, to the school counselor, or to police ... but right there on the wall is a threat of death if they do so.


Some of the Commandments accord with modern law, so it's surprising no bible basher has proposed "The Four Amendments" for children. It's all or nothing for them I guess.
 
aociswundumho said:
Funny how Democrats concern for constitutionality complete disappears when come to gun control laws.
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ColdHardTruth said:
Stay on topic. We are not discussing gun control here.
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Once again, a rightie shows us their near-total ignorance of history. Yes, the subject is yet another attempt to force Christian beliefs onto school kids but both subjects are based on their interpretation of the Constitution - a matter that seems to be more affected by current events than history.
 
More about him...



 
Somerville said:
Yes, the subject is yet another attempt to force Christian beliefs onto school kids
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Yes, in a country where the house of representatives opens with a prayer.

Somerville said:
but both subjects are based on their interpretation of the Constitution - a matter that seems to be more affected by current events than history.
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Yes, as interpreted by the supremes, not you.
 
aociswundumho said:
Yes, in a country where the house of representatives opens with a prayer.



Yes, as interpreted by the supremes, not you.
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Yeah well, that just illustrates that sometimes the SC is wrong. "History and Tradition" 1, Constitution 0.
 
aociswundumho said:
My guess is his constituents are happy he's trying to do this.

Isn't this how democracy is supposed to work?
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It's remarkable how the Trump phenomenon has turned right wingers around from "the US is a republic not a democracy" and "the US is a nation of laws not men." Now apparently righties believe in democracy even above the constitution.
 
Ug make hammer said:
Even that one is problematic. In literal meaning it endorses veganism, so kids ARE going to ask, and the teacher might be drawn further into unconstitutional discussion of theology.

"Thou shall have no other Gods beside me" is the worst. No public school can make any such rule, explicitly or implicitly.

"Honor thy father and thy mother (or you will die)" is troubling too. Suppose a child is being abused at home. What does this commandment urge them to do about it? They SHOULD report it to a teacher, to the school counselor, or to police ... but right there on the wall is a threat of death if they do so.


Some of the Commandments accord with modern law, so it's surprising no bible basher has proposed "The Four Amendments" for children. It's all or nothing for them I guess.
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My comment was only referring to gun control.
Public schools, IMO, should focus on educating, not indoctrinating. Sunday school is for indoctrination.
 
As long as schools would be required to teach a course on Atheism as well, perhaps.
 
aociswundumho said:
Funny how Democrats concern for constitutionality complete disappears when come to gun control laws.
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OH for crying out loud!! Talk about a complete whataboutism and deflection. Can't stay on topic?

Whataboutism gives a clue to its meaning in its name. It is not merely the changing of a subject to deflect away from an earlier subject as a political strategy; it’s essentially a reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse than what the original party was accused of doing, however unconnected the offenses may be.

The tactic behind whataboutism has been around for a long time. Rhetoricians generally consider it to be a form of tu quoque, which means "you too" in Latin and involves charging your accuser with whatever it is you've just been accused of rather than refuting the truth of the accusation made against you. Tu quoque is considered to be a logical fallacy, because whether or not the original accuser is likewise guilty of an offense has no bearing on the truth value of the original accusation.
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What about 'whataboutism'?

If everyone is guilty of something, is no one guilty of anything?
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Whataboutism is an argumentative tactic where a person or group responds to an accusation or difficult question by deflection. Instead of addressing the point made, they counter it with “but what about X?”.
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Whataboutism: Behind the Deflecting Tactic in Arguments | FlaglerLive

Whataboutism is an argumentative tactic where a person or group responds to an accusation or difficult question by deflection. Instead of addressing the point made, they counter it with “but what about X?”
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That was one of the worst comebacks I have ever seen. Make no attempt to talk about the subject matter but instead tried to get us to................

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Individual said:
As long as schools would be required to teach a course on Atheism as well, perhaps.
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Schools are already required to promote atheism by the ban on religion imposed by "freedom from religion" crowd. Not even a moment of silence is permitted as it may offend the tender sensibilities of atheists who imagine children exposed to prayer.

The problem with the 10 commandments begins with the first one, thou shall have no God before me". This is an anathema to the so-called Progressive foundational belief in government as the Supreme authority. In Biden’s America this divine authority to smite one's enemy can be delegated down to an appointed Secretary of State editing the ballot.
 
We used to be required to say the Pledge of Allegiance in class everyday, and after a while it became rote and meaningless and then finally ignored altogether by most students. I suspect if this passed legal muster, the same would happen with this.
 
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