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Really? See I thought that was GOD's decision? I mean, if man killing man is okie dokie (thou shalt not kill anyone?) then what is your claim to moral superiority in killing someone who's been convicted of a crime -- but who, after all, may not be guilty?
I guess ironic was the wrong word. Hypocritical would be the right word.
The great irony is that so many "pro-life" conservatives are also pro-death ... penalty. At least the Catholic Church is consistent in that regard.
If you're trying to get biblical....Jesus supported the death penalty in Matthew and Mark. Revelations did as well.
the great irony is that so many "pro-choice" liberals think Americans should not be able to choose to exercise their 2nd amendment rights, choose to use school vouchers, choose to have happy meal toys with kids meals at McDonalds or many other choices.
That's a moral argument. Do you not know the difference between morality and practicality?
Personally I agree with the moral argument for the death penalty, but its just not a pragmatic punishment in that it accomplishes nothing regarding deterrence of crime
This is due to the scumbag sympathizers increasing the costs of death penalty trials, appeals and other things that make the death penalty more expensive than a life sentence assuming the bias of scumbag sympathizers can be trusted when they say a death sentence is more expensive.or cost effectiveness.
This is addressed via a very long and comprehensive appeals process for death row, which is commonly 20+ years. And it's worth pointing out, convictions are not perfect in any area, so your issue is with the legal system which is not perfect. Using your logic, you'd want to also abolish the legal system, correct?
Not sure I understand what you mean.
Oooo, a clusterstrawman.
The ultimate punishment for committing the most heinous of crimes.
I think conservatives have somewhat of an obsession with death.
Whether it is the death penalty, war, or using skulls as avatars, there's something there that I can't explain.
Machismo and Conservatism?
The fact is the main purpose of the justice system is to punish offenders,so the death penalty serving as the ultimate punishment is practical. It is the scumbag sympathizer argument that criminals are somehow sick and that prisons should serve as something like a hospital for criminals.
The only reason why the death penalty is not that much of a deterrent is due to the fact it takes 10-20 years to execute someone. IN 10-20 years the only people who still remember the victims are the loved ones of the victims.Its basically amounts to punishing someone 10-20 years later after the fact they have been found guilty.
This is due to the scumbag sympathizers increasing the costs of death penalty trials, appeals and other things that make the death penalty more expensive than a life sentence assuming the bias of scumbag sympathizers can be trusted when they say a death sentence is more expensive.
But no guarantee that the state isn't murdering an innocent man....
A great many people who commit crimes are in fact sick with a mental illness, its a sweeping and dangerous generality to assume that all criminals are fully mentally competent. There are actually currently more mentally ill people serving time in prison than are receiving treatment in mental hospitals. http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/storage/documents/final_jails_v_hospitals_study.pdf
It's easy to prove that all criminals are not in fact free of some kind of sickness. That's not a "scumbag" argument its simple fact.
You're argument about deterrence is not supported,
Appeals should be based on the degree of evidence and testimony used to convict someone.For example Video evidence should mean no appeals.Trials, appeals and other things are a person's fundamental Constitutional rights, there is no argument for violating those you'd like to make is there?
If it didn't take 10-20 years to execute many of those criminals we could be number one or two. I am sure scumbag sympathizers will see being one of the top 5 as a bad thing.
There's no irony at all. Innocent life doesn't deserve death. Convicted criminals who have earned death - deserve death. The difference is the life in the womb hasn't done anything wrong except exist. If you can't figure that out without resorting to "irony" talking points, I can't help you.
I guess that's the difference between you and me. I'd rather see 999 guys serve life without parole than see the government execute one innocent man.Hey, I'll take 99 innocent executions to make sure we get every guilty one.
Can't argue with that logic. Should've killed all the kids that survived columbine to make sure that they got the shooter.Hey, I'll take 99 innocent executions to make sure we get every guilty one.
Hey, I'll take 99 innocent executions to make sure we get every guilty one.
I'm pretty sure that the top 4 countries have more than their fair share of innocents exectued. As deeply flawed as our legal system is, it probably gives condemned individuals more chances at retribution through the appeals process than any other.U.S. joins the top execution club. I would rank U.S. 1st because of it's mistaken convictions.
I'm pretty sure that the top 4 countries have more than their fair share of innocents exectued. As deeply flawed as our legal system is, it probably gives condemned individuals more chances at retribution through the appeals process than any other.
Absolutely, I'm in no way in favor of the death penalty, I'm just pointing out the flaw in implying that the 4 countries ahead of us don't execute massive amounts of innocents.Yet another argument against the death penalty.
Hey, I'll take 99 innocent executions to make sure we get every guilty one.
Can't argue with that logic. Should've killed all the kids that survived columbine to make sure that they got the shooter.
I wish I could [take] that statement seriously.
That's just because you're a sick puppy. But I think everyone here, including yourself, knows that.
Show me an executed prisoner who is/was truly innocent. Not just of the crime he/she was charged with, but truly innocent. I doubt you could actually find one.
I hold no great worth or value to a human life, Boo. I think that's pretty well known.
Sick alright. Sick and tired of throwing up in my mouth every time I look at the society that surrounds me on a daily basis. The stupidity, the immorality, and the shreer insanity of the vast majority of human beings I run into on a daily basis is stunning to me.
All of which makes it hard to take these posts seriously.
Personally, I like people. I'm reminded of the Whiskey Priest in the novel The Power and The Glory. He said that God can be found in the criminal as well as the judge, in sinner as well as the saint. It is in people that we see God. Not in self righteous desire for perfection.
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