Repercussions? Sellafield nuclear site terror arrests made

[Infinite Chaos]

Five men are being held under the Terrorism Act after being arrested close to the Sellafield nuclear site in Cumbria, according to police.

The men, who are all from London and aged in their 20s, were arrested on Monday shortly after 1630 BST.

The arrests were made after Civil Nuclear Constabulary officers conducted a stop check on a vehicle close to the Sellafield site, in Cumbria.BBC Cumbria

These guys were apparently filming in the area - maybe this is genuine but I'm glad security services were on the ball here: and fast.

This is only the first of many such instances over the next few months and years after the death in Pakistan of Osama Bin Laden

 

[PeteEU]

Or it could be anti-nuclear protesters documenting something.. I would not jump to conclusions too fast else the "security services" will start using their power and our fear to doing mass arrests like they did in the US after 9/11.

 

[tessaesque]

Also, we're kind of still dealing with a nuclear crisis in Japan...so nuclear energy is a hot-button issue at the moment. I don't know if we can say "OMG, this is because of Osama"...there are a lot of what-ifs and unknowns...

 

[Grant]

Or it could be anti-nuclear protesters documenting something.. I would not jump to conclusions too fast else the "security services" will start using their power and our fear to doing mass arrests like they did in the US after 9/11.

No, of course not. No connection at all between terrorism and their countries of origin. To suggest otherwise is 'racist'.

"The BBC understands the men were taking photographs and they are Bangladeshi".

They're just photography buffs.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

No, of course not. No connection at all between terrorism and their countries of origin.

If we accept a "connection at all between terrorism and their countries of origin," which countries would that leave? Which countries' citizens would be allowed to take pictures there without "reasonable" suspicion?

I am not addressing whether or not these people were up to no good or not, rather just the criterion espoused.

 

[Grant]

If we accept a "connection at all between terrorism and their countries of origin," which countries would that leave? Which countries' citizens would be allowed to take pictures there without "reasonable" suspicion?

I am not addressing whether or not these people were up to no good or not, rather just the criterion espoused.

Yes, it's all so confusing, isn't it Simon W.Moon?

Where does most terrorism originate? What defining connections are there between modern day terrorists?

Who really knows?

Right now, as one poster suggests, the important thing is to keep our eyes on the nuclear situation in Japan. That's probably what was on the minds of these Bangladeshis.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

There's no news released to draw any conclusions from. . . .all we know are a few scant details.

We know more about how Osama was killed than we know about this situation. I'm not about to connect dots that might not even be there.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Yes, it's all so confusing, isn't it Simon W.Moon?
Where does most terrorism originate? What defining connections are there between modern day terrorists?
Who really knows?
Right now, as one poster suggests, the important thing is to keep our eyes on the nuclear situation in Japan. That's probably what was on the minds of these Bangladeshis.

So you're conceding that the criterion you supplied is insufficient.

 

[Grant]

There's no news released to draw any conclusions from. . . .all we know are a few scant details.

We know more about how Osama was killed than we know about this situation. I'm not about to connect dots that might not even be there.

Yes, that's very sensible of you. There is probably no connection between them being Bangladeshi and taking photographs of a nuclear site in Cumbria.

It happens all the time.

 

[Grant]

So you're conceding that the criterion you supplied is insufficient.

Oh yes! Quite so, Simon W. Moon.

Nothing to see here. Let's all move along.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Oh yes! Quite so, Simon W. Moon.
Nothing to see here. Let's all move along.

If you're not willing to discuss and support your PoV, why come to a debate site?

 

[justabubba]

If you're not willing to discuss and support your PoV, why come to a debate site?

my guess is to share the "fear"

be afraid. be very afraid

 

[Grant]

If you're not willing to discuss and support your PoV, why come to a debate site?

I'm trying to find common ground with my British friends who feel that a few Bangladeshis taking photos of a nuclear site in Cumbria is not big deal.

Others might make the claim that because Britain has become the hot spot for terrorists in western Europe that there might be some connection between Islamic terrorism and the taking of photographs of a nuclear site, so I'm trying to look at it from a British point of view. Perhaps this understanding and change of perspective will foster better understanding between such sincere friends.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Yes, that's very sensible of you. There is probably no connection between them being Bangladeshi and taking photographs of a nuclear site in Cumbria.

It happens all the time.

You don't know anything, either, beyond that little tidbit - that's up to them to determine and it might lead somewhere but it might not.

If they determine these individuals were doing nothing wrong are you going to reverse your jump-to-conclusion?

Kind of hard to secure an area that's in the middle of a populous and farmland - are they going to interrogate every localmen and commoner who lives there because of this - I hope not.

 

[Grant]

You don't know anything, either, beyond that little tidbit - that's up to them to determine and it might lead somewhere but it might not.

If they determine these individuals were doing nothing wrong are you going to reverse your jump-to-conclusion?

My guess is that it will lead to nothing. It all seems quite innocent enough.

What could go wrong?

 

[Aunt Spiker]

My guess is that it will lead to nothing. It all seems quite innocent enough.

What could go wrong?

I don't have fears that some bumbling terrorists are going to compromise a nuclear facility even if they tried - they're not collective or organized enough. The structural makeup of the average facility is designed to be rugged and able to handle their issues - obviously mother nature poses more of a threat. If terrorists could do some harm they would hve by now.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I'm trying to find common ground with my British friends who feel that a few Bangladeshis taking photos of a nuclear site in Cumbria is not big deal.

Personally idk if it's a big deal or not. As I noted earlier, "I am not addressing whether or not these people were up to no good or not, rather just the criterion espoused."

But merely using the criterion you suggested, a "connection at all between terrorism and their countries of origin," is insufficient.

Others might make the claim that because Britain has become the hot spot for terrorists in western Europe that there might be some connection between Islamic terrorism and the taking of photographs of a nuclear site...

Well, there could be a connection. But merely being from a country where people have committed acts of terrorism is an insufficient connection.

 

[Grant]

I don't have fears that some bumbling terrorists are going to compromise a nuclear facility even if they tried - they're not collective or organized enough. The structural makeup of the average facility is designed to be rugged and able to handle their issues - obviously mother nature poses more of a threat. If terrorists could do some harm they would hve by now.

Yes, these bumbling terrorists have not yet murdered anyone in great numbers. In fact their maximum at one go so far has been less than three thousand. The trains in Spain were mainly just a pain. Nothing to see here. No plans afoot as far as anyone can tell.

 

[Grant]

Personally idk if it's a big deal or not. As I noted earlier, "I am not addressing whether or not these people were up to no good or not, rather just the criterion espoused."

But merely using the criterion you suggested, a "connection at all between terrorism and their countries of origin," is insufficient.

Well, there could be a connection. But merely being from a country where people have committed acts of terrorism is an insufficient connection.

Yes, we shouldn't jump to conclusions. Too often when buses are blown up in Israel, or children are murdered on their way to school in Afghanistan, or bombs go off in supermarkets, people assume this to be the work of Muslims. These perceptions need to be changed, and Bangladeshis taking photographs of a nuclear site in Cumbria is a good place to start. Maybe they just enjoyed the fresh air and wandering through the Cumbrian countryside.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Yes, these bumbling terrorists have not yet murdered anyone in great numbers. In fact their maximum at one go so far has been less than three thousand. The trains in Spain were mainly just a pain. Nothing to see here. No plans afoot as far as anyone can tell.

PEOPLE are different htan bringing down an entire nuclear facility.

What, honestly, od you think they'd be able ot accomplish even if they tried - even without a hike in security due to obl being assinated?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Yes, we shouldn't jump to conclusions. Too often when buses are blown up in Israel, or children are murdered on their way to school in Afghanistan, or bombs go off in supermarkets, people assume this to be the work of Muslims. These perceptions need to be changed, and Bangladeshis taking photographs of a nuclear site in Cumbria is a good place to start. Maybe they just enjoyed the fresh air and wandering through the Cumbrian countryside.

Thanks for trying to put words in my mouth, but I can handle it all on my own.

The criterion you provided is too vague to be practically actionable. There needs to be more for law enforcement and security forces to act upon.

It has dick-all to do with changing perceptions or w/e other straw-man you're whuppin'.

 

[Grant]

PEOPLE are different htan bringing down an entire nuclear facility.

What, honestly, od you think they'd be able ot accomplish even if they tried - even without a hike in security due to obl being assinated?

I have no idea what they might accomplish or try to accomplish. I've never seen this nuclear site, have not seen the photos they've taken, and have no wish to cause the British people any harm whatsoever. How am I supposed to know what was going on in their minds, or what their capabilities might be?

I find the idea of three Bangladeshis wandering around taking photographs of a nuclear site in Cumbria to be quite amusing, as well as the quick suggestion of innocence as to their motives. It has the makings of a great comedy sketch suggestive of the Three Stooges appearing on the Goon Show, with everyone taking themselves quite seriously.

 

[justabubba]

I have no idea what they might accomplish or try to accomplish. I've never seen this nuclear site, have not seen the photos they've taken, and have no wish to cause the British people any harm whatsoever. How am I supposed to know what was going on in their minds, or what their capabilities might be?

I find the idea of three Bangladeshis wandering around taking photographs of a nuclear site in Cumbria to be quite amusing, as well as the quick suggestion of innocence as to their motives. It has the makings of a great comedy sketch suggestive of the Three Stooges appearing on the Goon Show, with everyone taking themselves quite seriously.

the first four words were adequate to convey your perspective

 

[Grant]

Good work, Justabubba!

You've selected your name well!

 

[Aunt Spiker]

I have no idea what they might accomplish or try to accomplish. I've never seen this nuclear site, have not seen the photos they've taken, and have no wish to cause the British people any harm whatsoever. How am I supposed to know what was going on in their minds, or what their capabilities might be?

I find the idea of three Bangladeshis wandering around taking photographs of a nuclear site in Cumbria to be quite amusing, as well as the quick suggestion of innocence as to their motives. It has the makings of a great comedy sketch suggestive of the Three Stooges appearing on the Goon Show, with everyone taking themselves quite seriously.

No - my point isn't 'they ARE innocent' my point is 'we are not at liberty to be the ones to decide the heft of their actions'
Which is why I hate reporting on situations in which there's really nothing to say about it - no facts and no details = nothing but speculation. Speculation and assumptions are NOT news.