Boo Radley
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Repeal Obamacare and replace it with a single payer health care system.
Trust me, it's un-American to tell citizens how they're going to receive their healthcare.You are getting health insurance. And trust it comes in handy when you walk into a heart transplant center as a patient.
With what, a crystal ball? Have you categorically refrained from predictions? Or do Missourians only apply this standard with negative predictions -- or for things they dislike?As they say in Missouri - show me.
Is that why he fought not to delay the rest of Obamacare?....while calling for delay of the PPACA employer mandate, now tells us that 3 years is just not enough time to "implement them effectively". In other words, Obama is scared to death what economic harm....
Trust me, it's un-American to tell citizens how they're going to receive their healthcare.
With what, a crystal ball? Have you categorically refrained from predictions? Or do Missourians only apply this standard with negative predictions -- or for things they dislike?
Any major policy change involves uncertainties. What we can say is that the status quo isn't working. Premiums and costs spent years soaring; medical issues contribute to nearly half of all bankruptcies; employers are paying through the nose for insurance, and/or charging employees for it; care is only great for those who can afford to pay for it, and that's becoming a smaller slice of the pie.
And again: We can see that while Romneycare hasn't made MA paradise, it also hasn't resulted in an economic death spiral (e.g. unemployment rate is around the same as the national rate since at least 2003). I do not claim that every state will have the same results, but it stands to reason that Obamacare will neither be as wonderful as its proponents expect, or as disastrous as its detractors expect.
Is that why he fought not to delay the rest of Obamacare?
Wrong. It's un-American to tell second class American citizens that they need to get health coverage (whether they want it or not) and if they don't get health coverage then their loving government is going to take it out of their ass.It is considerably more un-American to have second class American citizens that do not get half way decent health care.
I was just trying to eliminate the ambiguity. Prior to that post, you didn't clearly say that Medicaid and free clinics are as bad as the medical care in 3rd world countries. Do you have any evidence to back that up?Yes, if you live in an inner city and have no means to pay your health care is not as good as in some third world countries. Why do you keep asking?
Are you saying that some people are too poor to buy insurance but too wealthy to qualify for Medicaid?MPG you are absolutely wrong.
And I can tell you have never been seriously ill while having no health care.
There are dozens of Nations considered third world that have far better health care for the poor.
Take Cuba for example.
In America, you are completely out of luck if you are uninsured.
I have lived it both ways. As a (small) small business owner, I had no employer to provide coverage. Without the combination of Obama care AND my private insurance, I'd be well under way to stage 2 cancer by now.
I have a very powerful personal story but I plan to write a large paper on that sometime in the future and I am not going to "half ass" explain it now.
Until you try to get help for your colon cancer or whatever ales you while having no insurance, you really just have no idea how pathetic "the emergency" room is as a solution. Need a stage 1 cancer removed? They'll take your blood pressure.... that is about it.
The Right seems so hideously cruel to me. But I guess maybe that some of them are simply like you, not a bad person at all, just someone that fails to realize just how bad the uninsured have it.
Its not that they "are" treated like 3rd world patients. They could only dream to be treated so well.
Wrong. It's un-American to tell second class American citizens that they need to get health coverage (whether they want it or not) and if they don't get health coverage then their loving government is going to take it out of their ass.
Are you saying that some people are too poor to buy insurance but too wealthy to qualify for Medicaid?
I was referring to the administration's refusal to delay other portions of Obamacare. The only part that's getting delayed is the mandate for small businesses.:lol: :doh Are you kidding me? What fight?
Comrade, it's un-American to help people who refuse to help themselves, period.Fella, it is Un-American to have a second class citizen, period.
Where in the Constitution does it say that having second class citizens in Un-American?Where in the Constitution does it address second class citizens?
Uh-uh. The deception is found in your asinine support of an even more asinine approach to healthcare.Besides, the whole way you are viewing the individual mandate is a deception.
You mean "If you will just get the freaking insurance, then the government will call off the dogs".If you will just get the freaking insurance, you are going to get a tax credit for much of your expense.
In other words, "Let us take care of you, or we'll have no choice but to force our care on you".This is being done FOR the people. Not against the people.
Please stop shilling for the Democrats, will you?If you do not qualify for the tax credit at all, then you are well above the level where some trivial penalty is going to affect you. And if the penalty does sound significant for you, then you are the person Obama Care is for.
Fine, I get it. You don't want it. Ok fine, you'll change your mind when you have colon cancer but the emergency room will only take your blood pressure. And thanks to Obama, now you will still be able to get coverage.
I was referring to the administration's refusal to delay other portions of Obamacare. The only part that's getting delayed is the mandate for small businesses.
It's also very clear Obama would veto any bills that would repeal PPACA.
Are you in favor of destroying this monster before it gets out of hand?
Remember, the oppression begins next January. Are you ready for it????
it's un-American to help people who refuse to help themselves, period.
Dude, it's not your place, or anyone else's, to tell Americans they must buy health insurance or be penalized. THAT, in and of itself, IS un-American.Seriously? Are you that out of touch?
Dude, it's not your place, or anyone else's, to tell Americans they must buy health insurance or be penalized. THAT, in and of itself, IS un-American.
You shouldn't. They should be allowed to negotiate with the healthcare providers. If they get tired of doing that, THEN they can pursue insurance if they wish.Why should I have to pay for their healthcare if they dont want to?
You shouldn't. They should be allowed to negotiate with the healthcare providers. If they get tired of doing that, THEN they can pursue insurance if they wish.
Dude, I said you shouldn't have to pay. You're chasing ghosts.When someone now goes to the hospital and does not pay, who does?
Dude, I said you shouldn't have to pay. You're chasing ghosts.
NO, under our current system for years we have been paying for people that refuse to pay. Lots of them. Why is that ok? I have to pay for others that dont pay every single time I use any part of healthcare so do you. The only way you and I dont have to do that is to force everyone that might use the system to pay for it. otherwise me and you have to. That aint American.
Dude, it's not your place, or anyone else's, to tell Americans they must buy health insurance or be penalized. THAT, in and of itself, IS un-American.
When someone does not have health insurance it affects all of us. And we pay for it when they rack up a $2,000 dollar bill for some $200 dollar problem at the emergency room.
That makes it everyone's problem when someone does not have health insurance. And everyone's problem is everyone's business.
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