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Refusing heart transplant for anti-vaxxer

Schism said:
Yes! Better than God! Amen!

God must have no clue how this virus works.
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He does...and He is patient in His waiting to see who cares more about their families and their fellow man.

And He'll be there to comfort those that they send into grief.
 
Chomsky said:
This is a very sad story.

I am not at all happy a healthcare provider is denying care to a fellow American, based upon his vax status.

That being said, the provider seems to have a valid medical reason to refuse.

It's sad all around . . .
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Seems like a good incentive now to get the vaccine. Every cloud has a silver lining?
 
Lursa said:
He does...and He is patient in His waiting to see who cares more about their families and their fellow man.

And He'll be there to comfort those that they send into grief.
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I'm pretty sure God is more concerned with arrogance than Covid.
 
Schism said:
I'm pretty sure God is more concerned with arrogance than Covid.
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More concerned than with death? And harming others? Risking abandoning your loved ones? Huh. I call bullshit.
 
noonereal said:
The heart will not be tossed, it will simply be used for someone who is apt to have a better outcome.
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I was describing a hypothetical scenario in which a patient receives the heart but is unvaccinated, catches COVID and goes tits up in record time.
That is pretty much the equivalent of tossing the heart in the trash.
The policy is logical...in order to be considered a candidate, your vaccinations, ALL of them, must be up to date.
They don't even want you to catch the FLU, much less COVID, so you will likely be bumped off the list if you pull that anti-vax nonsense over the flu shot, too.
 
weaver2 said:
Or you could just stop acting stupid and get vaccinated.
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I'm vaccinated and boosted. What other people decide is their business, not mine.
 
Schism said:
I'm vaccinated and boosted. What other people decide is their business, not mine.
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How organs are distributed isn't our business either. They leave that to medical professionals.

This is a case where someone wants a medical transplant but refuses to listen to their doctors so they wont get one.
 
Mach said:
Taking anti-vaxx "principles" to another level. What sort of a monster chooses anti-vaxx over being there for their kids?
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Victim blaming
 
Evilroddy said:
BlueTex:

In order to minimise complications from organ rejection, transplant patients are given a battery of immune suppressors to inhibit the immune system from attacking the new organ. A supressed immune system all but negates the otherwise real advantages of being vaccinated for a post-op organ recipient. Therefore the medical ethicist you quoted from the article is not being completely forthcoming IMHO. I suspect that once again politics is worming its way into what should be apolitical medical decisions.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.
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Good point Evilroddy. The first thing that came to my mind is how are they going prevent the patient from getting infected with covid when it's a proven fact that even the vaccinated get covid. The only thing this guy could do after the transplant is live in a bubble.

Another bs reason to deny medical care.
 
I know someone that has to lose a quite significant amount of weight before they can get a kidney, so I’m not really surprised.
 
Variant said:
How organs are distributed isn't our business either. They leave that to medical professionals.

This is a case where someone wants a medical transplant but refuses to listen to their doctors so they wont get one.
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I'd like to see them deny a person with HIV or AIDS. The left would go berserk and many lawsuits would follow.
 
There are many considerations that go into determining eligibility for donor organs. Smokers don't rate high for lungs, alcoholics don't rate high for livers and those who wiling expose themselves to a deadly virus don't rate high period. All risk factors must be taken into consideration.
 
Chomsky said:
This is a very sad story.

I am not at all happy a healthcare provider is denying care to a fellow American, based upon his vax status.

That being said, the provider seems to have a valid medical reason to refuse.

It's sad all around . . .
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They are not denying care.
This is my son, in happier times before his congenitally defective heart
began to fail in a very big way.

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Here he is today, in the cardiac ICU at UCLA Ronald Reagan Medical Center in Los Angeles.
He's pretty much out of options at this point, save for them getting his edema down to the
point where his weight is low enough again to be a candidate for a Dick Cheney Machine,
a "Left Ventricle Assist Device", or LVAD.

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In the top picture he weighed 195 pounds. When we brought him
in to UCLA three weeks ago, he was 363 pounds.
In October we brought him in at 384 pounds.
Almost ALL of it is WATER...he's like the Titanic.

Today he is 291, the last time they got him down to 270.
But the moment he's home, the water starts packing on again.

He is NOT, at this time, a candidate for EITHER a transplant OR an LVAD for the simple
reason that he's too heavy and would not survive either operation, or would not recover quickly
enough to avoid dying post-op anyway.

They're doing their best to keep him going but his options are almost nonexistent unless we can
find better ways to deal with his edema.
And since he, like my wife, was born with ONE kidney (albeit a healthy one, thankfully) that poor old
kidney has to work like Hell just to get him down to under 300.

There's simply NO POINT in getting a heart for him if he expires during surgery and also no point
if he dies shortly after the operation because of factors that can be controlled.
In his case, the question is, can they control his edema well enough long term that he can get
down to target weight, which for him is 220 to 240.

If he was unvaccinated, again it is a factor which can be controlled, by vaccination.
No point giving HIM a heart if he dies of COVID two weeks later.
Of course, since he isn't an IDIOT and since he wasn't RAISED by idiots, he is fully vaccinated and boosted.

No one would deny the guy in the article healthcare, he just does not currently meet the criteria for a transplant.
And unfortunately right now, neither does my son.
Difference is, the guy in the article only needs to get his shots.
My son wishes he was that lucky.
 
Overitall said:
Good point Evilroddy. The first thing that came to my mind is how are they going prevent the patient from getting infected with covid when it's a proven fact that even the vaccinated get covid. The only thing this guy could do after the transplant is live in a bubble.

Another bs reason to deny medical care.
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You still don't get it, do you.
The facts are there for anyone...if you've vaccinated and gotten a booster yes, you still might get COVID however the severity (that thing you are doing your best to IGNORE) is a fraction of what it is if you're NOT vaccinated.
You're doing this to pimp your antivax creds, nothing more.
 
AmNat said:
Victim blaming
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Anti-vaxx are victims? Victim complex.
The only victim here is his family and friends that stand to lose him to stupidity. Tragic.

Schism said:
I'd like to see them deny a person with HIV or AIDS. The left would go berserk and many lawsuits would follow.
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They use to deny them all the time, stop making stuff up. Now because of the powerful anti-HIV drugs, they can give transplants to some if their viral load is low enough, but its up to the center. Google could tell you this, but you're not looking for reality are you...
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
They are not denying care.
This is my son, in happier times before his congenitally defective heart
began to fail in a very big way.

View attachment 67371039

Here he is today, in the cardiac ICU at UCLA Ronald Reagan Medical Center in Los Angeles.
He's pretty much out of options at this point, save for them getting his edema down to the
point where his weight is low enough again to be a candidate for a Dick Cheney Machine,
a "Left Ventricle Assist Device", or LVAD.

View attachment 67371038

In the top picture he weighed 195 pounds. When we brought him
in to UCLA three weeks ago, he was 363 pounds.
In October we brought him in at 384 pounds.
Almost ALL of it is WATER...he's like the Titanic.

Today he is 291, the last time they got him down to 270.
But the moment he's home, the water starts packing on again.

He is NOT, at this time, a candidate for EITHER a transplant OR an LVAD for the simple
reason that he's too heavy and would not survive either operation, or would not recover quickly
enough to avoid dying post-op anyway.

They're doing their best to keep him going but his options are almost nonexistent unless we can
find better ways to deal with his edema.
And since he, like my wife, was born with ONE kidney (albeit a healthy one, thankfully) that poor old
kidney has to work like Hell just to get him down to under 300.

There's simply NO POINT in getting a heart for him if he expires during surgery and also no point
if he dies shortly after the operation because of factors that can be controlled.
In his case, the question is, can they control his edema well enough long term that he can get
down to target weight, which for him is 220 to 240.

If he was unvaccinated, again it is a factor which can be controlled, by vaccination.
No point giving HIM a heart if he dies of COVID two weeks later.
Of course, since he isn't an IDIOT and since he wasn't RAISED by idiots, he is fully vaccinated and boosted.

No one would deny the guy in the article healthcare, he just does not currently meet the criteria for a transplant.
And unfortunately right now, neither does my son.
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Best wishes and prayers for your family and the best outcome.
 
Schism said:
Next they'll be denied medical coverage and treatment for anything including broken bones or open wounds.

First responders will need to find a way to determine if an unconscious person has been vaccinated before they treat the patient.

It almost sounds like the AIDS/HIV scare of the 70's and 80's. I wonder if the unvaccinated will become a protected class of minorities like AIDS patients? I mean, didn't they engage in risky and unprotected activities as well?
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Sounds like someone is trying to get the ball rolling on punishing the unvaccinated. I wonder when they will start to apply this same standard to other care. If this is allowed I can envision the dam being burst wide open. Even though you can still get covid after being vaccinated these hyperventilating vaxxers will insist on seeing proof you're vaccinated before providing medical attention.
 
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