Red State is a Poor State

[Conservative]

Bush won reelection by the hair of his ohio chin. Obama smoked Romney by 332 electoral votes. If we counted popular vote Gore would have been 43, and today the House would be Democrat.

Today we have a 17.3 trillion dollar debt up from the 10.6 trillion he inherited. You never did answer the question is there ever a point where debt is of concern to you and what do you think the govt. could do with the 250 billion in debt service being paid on that debt today?

You really have bought the media spin and have a bad case of Bush Derangement Syndrome based solely on ignorance. Bush isn't in office and has been out for over 6 years so isn't it time for Obama and his supporters to accept the responsibility for failure?

 

[Conservative]

Considering I pay for your retirement, Conservative is in the entitlement party.

Your ignorance is staggering, you pay for my SS not my retirement because LBJ put SS on budget and because it has been spent by previous Administrations on everything other than my retirement. In the private sector you would be thrown in jail for raiding the pension fund but not with the govt. My contributions have been spent in this giant ponzi scheme the Democrats have created. Keep buying the rhetoric and maybe, just maybe we will have that European Socialist country you desire.

 

[Conservative]

The fact is that if it was not for President Obama, OBL would likely still be alive today. Not only did he give the order, he made it a campaign promise. Oh yeah, President Bush famously said he no longer cared about OBL.

Great, now tell us how getting Bin Laden has made us safer?

 

[Fenton]

Thanks to the Bush administrations foot work and enhanced interrogation techniques.

You people wanted Bush and Cheney Perp walked for that BTW.

Is there any other "accomplishment" you would like to Mention ?

The economy ? Health Care ?

 

[Ockham]

The fact is that if it was not for President Obama, OBL would likely still be alive today. Not only did he give the order, he made it a campaign promise. Oh yeah, President Bush famously said he no longer cared about OBL.

The facts are as I stated. What part of my statement in Post #309 or #312 do you disagree with?

 

[calamity]

Today we have a 17.3 trillion dollar debt up from the 10.6 trillion he inherited. You never did answer the question is there ever a point where debt is of concern to you and what do you think the govt. could do with the 250 billion in debt service being paid on that debt today?

You really have bought the media spin and have a bad case of Bush Derangement Syndrome based solely on ignorance. Bush isn't in office and has been out for over 6 years so isn't it time for Obama and his supporters to accept the responsibility for failure?

Bush dug us into a deep hole, just like Herbert Hoover.

 

[calamity]

Great, now tell us how getting Bin Laden has made us safer?

Only after you explain how invading Iraq did. :roll:

 

[jaeger19]

Spoken like that true little liberal you are. Nothing you have posted shows any knowledge of business at all so go back to bashing conservative economic policies all the while showing your ignorance

So regarding pensions, you actually believe Bain Capital set up those pension programs when they took over a company? Interesting. Guess the question is why was Bain brought into such successful companies? Your ignorance regarding business policies is staggering.

Of course not all investors fail but tell that to the GM/Chrysler investors and bond holders when Obama took over the company?

Just too funny.. "bashing conservative economic policies" huh? Really.. so its a conservative policy then to break your contractual obligations for pension funds and then put it on the government insurance program?

And no.. Bain did not set up those pension programs when they took over the company... However, they negotiated the deal that included those pension programs and when they took over the company they had a contractual obligation to fund those pension programs, not to mention that down the road, they negotiated another deal and promised to fund those pension programs and to fund their healthcare.

Your lack of knowledge of business is staggering
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Not all investors fail? Great.. so you admit that you were wrong about that.. well good for you. At least its a start.

And yes.. investors and bondholders took a hit when the government bailed out GM. SO? Whats your point? You got one right for once?

 

[calamity]

Your ignorance is staggering, you pay for my SS not my retirement because LBJ put SS on budget and because it has been spent by previous Administrations on everything other than my retirement. In the private sector you would be thrown in jail for raiding the pension fund but not with the govt. My contributions have been spent in this giant ponzi scheme the Democrats have created. Keep buying the rhetoric and maybe, just maybe we will have that European Socialist country you desire.

Since you and three others paid for the retirement of one person back when Jimmy and Ronnie were president while only one other person helps me pay yours today, you should be more respectful. If I choose to quit working, you're screwed.

 

[pbrauer]

Great, now tell us how getting Bin Laden has made us safer?

They captured intelligence material from his place of hiding.

 

[jaeger19]

That is such a cop out. It's how you deny failure.

Millions of people, just like me, who never took a dime from the government (unlike you, who collects SS and Medicare), used to vote GOP until roughly 2004. We saw the light and ran from the party of crazy people as fast as possible.

So true.. its why our party lost two elections that it should have won. Its why the our party will continue to lose as long as all it does is post anger and hate at anyone that doesn't believe its false rhetoric.

Take heart though Calamity. The vast majority of republicans are not like Conservative... there are real conservative republicans like myself that understand that we need to get back to business and do what's right for the country and its citizens.

 

[Ockham]

They captured intelligence material from his place of hiding.

So you then must know what exactly the intelligence material was and how it was used to make the leap that it made us safer then. How many people's lives did it save exactly? What were these saved people's names?

 

[calamity]

So true.. its why our party lost two elections that it should have won. Its why the our party will continue to lose as long as all it does is post anger and hate at anyone that doesn't believe its false rhetoric.

Take heart though Calamity. The vast majority of republicans are not like Conservative... there are real conservative republicans like myself that understand that we need to get back to business and do what's right for the country and its citizens.

I hope so because the Democrats are in need of a counterweight consisting of sane people with reasonable policies and ideas.

 

[pbrauer]

So you then must know what exactly the intelligence material was and how it was used to make the leap that it made us safer then. How many people's lives did it save exactly? What were these saved people's names?

Are those serious questions? No wonder Jack Cashill's your guy.:lamo

 

[Ockham]

Are those serious questions? No wonder Jack Cashill's your guy.:lamo

Great, now tell us how getting Bin Laden has made us safer?

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They captured intelligence material from his place of hiding.

So how do you know any intelligence material found saved lives? Answer: You don't. I'm just pointing that painfully obvious fact out. Shall I correct you some more?

 

[Conservative]

Bush dug us into a deep hole, just like Herbert Hoover.

So the media told you and you believe it. How did President Bush hurt you and your family? What exactly has Obama done to get us out of that hole? Obamacare? class warfare? minimum wage increase? Stimulus providing for shovel ready jobs without shovels? 3.9 trillion dollar budgets? 6.7 trillion increase in the debt? Stagnant economic growth? record numbers dependent on the taxpayers for welfare programs? High unemployment, discouraged workers, under employed?

Guess it doesn't take much to turn you against a Republican and support someone with a D or L(Liberal) after their name. Results sure don't matter in your world or you couldn't support Obama over Bush when the Obama results in every category are worse.

 

[Conservative]

They captured intelligence material from his place of hiding.

So you watched Zero Dark Thirty? What exact intelligence did they capture and who has been brought to justice over that material?

 

[Conservative]

So true.. its why our party lost two elections that it should have won. Its why the our party will continue to lose as long as all it does is post anger and hate at anyone that doesn't believe its false rhetoric.

Take heart though Calamity. The vast majority of republicans are not like Conservative... there are real conservative republicans like myself that understand that we need to get back to business and do what's right for the country and its citizens.

LOL, it is that attitude that gave us Obama twice and how has that turned out for us?

 

[pbrauer]

So you watched Zero Dark Thirty? What exact intelligence did they capture and who has been brought to justice over that material?

No, I didn't watch a Hollywood movie. I know we got intelligence data, but what or how it is/was used is probably a secret.

 

[Conservative]

No, I didn't watch a Hollywood movie. I know we got intelligence data, but what or how it is/was used is probably a secret.

It has been an incredible secret as terrorism is alive and well. Wouldn't you think that Obama would be trumpeting successes after getting Bin Laden? The fact is nothing of value apparently has been captured as evidenced by the lack of results

 

[calamity]

So the media told you and you believe it. How did President Bush hurt you and your family? What exactly has Obama done to get us out of that hole? Obamacare? class warfare? minimum wage increase? Stimulus providing for shovel ready jobs without shovels? 3.9 trillion dollar budgets? 6.7 trillion increase in the debt? Stagnant economic growth? record numbers dependent on the taxpayers for welfare programs? High unemployment, discouraged workers, under employed?

Guess it doesn't take much to turn you against a Republican and support someone with a D or L(Liberal) after their name. Results sure don't matter in your world or you couldn't support Obama over Bush when the Obama results in every category are worse.

Good grief. Obama is about as liberal as GHWB. He's a moderate Republican with a funny name.

Bush destroyed the country's economy and made life miserable for tens of millions. As it affected me, he created a significant divide between Christians and non-believers, between über-nationalists and those of us who don't wear a little flag on our lapels, between those in gated communities and we who appreciate community organizers...to name just a few things.

 

[apdst]

Bush dug us into a deep hole, just like Herbert Hoover.

It's scary that you actually believe that.

 

[Gonzo Rodeo]

Why are liberals so bad at the difference between correlation and causation?

The southern states (the poorer states) have an older population. "Poverty" is measured by income; fixed income doesn't account for accrued wealth.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Good grief. Obama is about as liberal as GHWB. He's a moderate Republican with a funny name.

Bush destroyed the country's economy and made life miserable for tens of millions. As it affected me, he created a significant divide between Christians and non-believers, between über-nationalists and those of us who don't wear a little flag on our lapels, between those in gated communities and we who appreciate community organizers...to name just a few things.

As fun as it is to blame Bush for absolutely everything (I don't like him either), you're getting quite a bit of course now. Christians have been driving a tremendous divide between themselves and non-believers for the past 2,000 years. Using threats and government coercion to oppress non-believers is pretty much the standard Christian modus operandi.

 

[Conservative]

Good grief. Obama is about as liberal as GHWB. He's a moderate Republican with a funny name.

Bush destroyed the country's economy and made life miserable for tens of millions. As it affected me, he created a significant divide between Christians and non-believers, between über-nationalists and those of us who don't wear a little flag on our lapels, between those in gated communities and we who appreciate community organizers...to name just a few things.

That is simply your uniformed and uneducated opinion sold to you by a media with an agenda. Name for me the economic results that Obama has generated that has been better than Bush. You have a lot invested in hatred and that simply is based upon ignorance certainly not the facts. You want to use 2008 as an example of the Bush economy when the reality is it was the Democrats more interested in regaining the WH than doing their job that helped create the problem.

Rather sad that we have people like you who buy what you are told, have no concept of civics, and continue to believe as you do 6 years after he left office. All that does is divert from the present and the Obama results.