Re-naming Columbus Day

[roguenuke]

Goonies Day

There, a name that should be complete nonsense for the way we actually celebrate the holiday.

 

[Gatsby]

The first thing that jumps out at me is the bullshit that he "never discovered America" because he never set foot on our shores. That's ridiculous for a historical site to say, since "America" refers to North and South America, not just the US. And, Columbus is celebrated throughout the continents of North and South America. He discovered "America" - nobody every said he discovered the "United States" which was still almost 3 centuries in Columbus' future. So the article starts off with a load of ****ing bullshit designed to poison the reader against him - like - oh, pshaw, can you believe it!? Columbus didn't even really discovery America! Our history teachers lied! - when, of course, he did discover America -- by discovering the new world which people in the Old World did not know was there.

The article then goes on to say "while he did reach the shores of Cuba, Dominican Republic...." etc -- which, of course contradicts what they just said. Those places are in North America- they are in the Americas, as are all of North, South, Central America, and the Caribbean.

But our national holiday was enacted by the United States government. We do not have a continent-wide government enacting holidays on behalf of anyone who was historically important to the entire land mass. Similarly, any other New World country that has a Columbus Day also did so at the national level...and depending on the country that may or may not make sense in terms of their nation's history.

To stick with your analogy of Mongolia celebrating Ghenghis Khan: Maybe that's inappropriate, maybe not. But it would be super-weird if, say, Sri Lanka or Singapore had a Ghenghis Khan Day...even though he never set foot there, merely because they're islands nominally associated with the land mass of Asia.

 

[Eriech]

I had to look up this red herring:

Elizabeth Warren - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Otherwise known as Pocahontas

 

[Integrityrespec]

Re-naming Columbus Day

How about leave it alone. Stop trying to change history. Haters!

 

[noonereal]

Re-naming Columbus Day

You will not be able to erect any statues or name any holidays that are not for black Americans for at least 30 years .

 

[venice_ca]

You will not be able to erect any statues or name any holidays that are not for black Americans for at least 30 years .

Not a bad idea especially considering the amount of time recognition has been denied Blacks.

 

[noonereal]

Not a bad idea especially considering the amount of time recognition has been denied Blacks.

Yeah, but criminals?

Isn't that a bit much?

 

[IQ57]

What a waste of a pole.

Unreal.

Thanks.

 

[Rumpelstil]

How about leave it alone.

@ re-naming
Far be it from me to demand anything of that sort.
My suggestions were more or less plays on words and not meant seriously.

 

[Slartibartfast]

People tend not to get off work or school on that day, its quickly becoming an unimportant holiday anyway.

 

[Rumpelstil]

I had to look up "Goonies"

>>>> https://www.thegoondocks.org/ <<<<

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Columbus never set foot in North or South America. The man thought he was in India.

He discovered "America" -- HIspniola is part of "america" --

And at first he did think he was in the East Indies - as that is where he had set out to go. So what? That's because NOBODY KNEW AMERICA WAS THERE. So, he sailed across the sea, and discovered it - for Span.

Who cares if he never set foot in "north or south america?" He also never set foot in Aruba. So?

 

[Lucky 1]

Ok, maybe I'm missing something here.

Why would we rename Columbus day????

If you want to add any of these other choices...just do it!

Just about everyday of the year has multiple things assigned to it already anyway!

If you want Columbus Day to also be toenail day....no problem!

 

[MrNiceGuy]

People tend not to get off work or school on that day, its quickly becoming an unimportant holiday anyway.

One more western (white) symbol dismantled. Replacing it with an "of color" symbol is, of course, "justice."

 

[Slartibartfast]

One more western (white) symbol dismantled. Replacing it with an "of color" symbol is, of course, "justice."

Cultural change do be like that sometimes.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

The “they” in “they named their country after him” were Spanish colonial rulers, settling and ruling land forcefully appropriated from the native inhabitants. Not exactly neutral in their loyalties.

The country is still named Colombia.

Almost all the countries in the world are lands that were forcefully appropriated from some peoples at some point.

Give England back to the Celts, I always say. Shit, the Romans took it from the Celts and the Anglo-Saxons took it from the Romans, and the Normans took it from the Anglo-Saxons, and now we're stuck with a Royal Family who are really German ruling a country in Britain that isn't even full Brit - they're just a little Brit-ish.....



Shit, the Swedes need to move, too. Give Sweden back to the Laplanders!

 

[bomberfox]

Do they?
Do they really?
Then I would suggest "Indianer Day!"

In German it is like this:

Inder = inhabitants of India
Indianer = indigenous inhabitants of North America

Because they arent indians and didnt come from india?

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Cultural change do be like that sometimes.

Cultural change sometimes starts to sound more like, oh, what's the word, oh, yes, "constant and unceasing bitching and moaning about pretty much everything."

 

[Rumpelstil]

Who cares if he never set foot in "north or south america?" He also never set foot in Aruba. So?

Some people have actually not realized yet that there is more to America than just the USA.
Maybe the USA should be renamed and given a name that does not contain "America" in it.
So that those people might see with surprise that there still is an America left.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Cultural change sometimes starts to sound more like, oh, what's the word, oh, yes, "constant and unceasing bitching and moaning about pretty much everything."

Show me a time in history when people weren't bitching about pretty much everything.

 

[ecofarm]

Old World meets New World

That's what the celebration is legitimately about. A coming together of the world. A unification. Was it all good? No. But it was the final unification of the Earth.

Only a moron believes the celebration is about a person. A fascist and horribly stupid moron focuses on an individual. Because the idiot scum can only understand hero fantasies.

So a bunch of fascist scum morons are focused on worshiping an individual. That's the situation here. "Give us someone to worship!! We're stupid fascists!!"

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Show me a time in history when people weren't bitching about pretty much everything.

The early1980s. There was a short period of time there where I think, culturally, overall, bitching about every imagined slight had reached the lowest trough.

 

[Luce]

The early1980s. There was a short period of time there where I think, culturally, overall, bitching about every imagined slight had reached the lowest trough.

For a moment, I though you said the early 1800s, and I was gonna shit.

The early 1980s, though, I can agree with. By 1986, though, we were right back to it.

 

[Evilroddy]

Best idea!

Rumpel:

In Canada "Indian" is a tricky term since 1875-76. In 1875 the Canadian Government crafted a law that treated our First Nations very badly. The law was called the Indian Act and came into effect in 1876. In that act the term "Indian" was a legal label for a primitive human being without full human rights. "Indian Status" deprived you of many rights and severely limited your opportunities in life. Indian Status was a tool of assimilation and attempted cultural genocide. The Indian Act was studied by South African authorities as a template to design their Apartheid System and Homelands System. Indian has many negative connotations among Canadian First Nations people. The Indian Act, albeit in a more gentle form, is still in effect in Canada today and is still a tool of assimilation today. So "Indian" is a loaded term for First Nations Peoples in many parts of North America.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

For a moment, I though you said the early 1800s, and I was gonna shit.

The early 1980s, though, I can agree with. By 1986, though, we were right back to it.

I think Gen X is the only generation that just doesn't bitch about much, except wanting people to get off their case and quit THEIR bitching about everything.

I think if today's college kids went back in time my college days, they'd all faint.