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I saw one new thing (~3:40). I didn't know before that the "activists" had attacked the helicopter.
One question... Why would they bring the soldiers downstairs? Surely they could be extracted to better medical facilities by the IDF. They are endangering the soldier's lives by preventing extraction. It could also look (to the IDF) like they are being kidnapped for nefarious purpose.
These metal objects fired at the helicopter I can't see how you know what they are throwing at the helicopter, because the news papers couldn't tell what they were firing at the helicopter. I for one couldn't tell what the hell they were throwing up at the helicopter, and yes International water do mater in this, and I am not sure on the kidnapping part yet, so I am undecided on that part.
These metal objects fired at the helicopter I can't see how you know what they are throwing at the helicopter, because the news papers couldn't tell what they were firing at the helicopter. I for one couldn't tell what the hell they were throwing up at the helicopter, and yes International water do mater in this, and I am not sure on the kidnapping part yet, so I am undecided on that part.
The boat was not safe then. They had people of their own dying downstairs. Obviously given that their was gun shot going on upstairs it was safer for the soldier to take him down.
well it seemed to be killing people, that would be why he would be safer downstairs out of fire.Your telling me that an incapicated soldier was not safe upstairs? Then who was doing the attacking? Th gunfire upstairs was probably soldiers trying to get to their wounded and presumably endangered comrade.
Look, if someone in your house gets hurt... do you drag them down to the cellar and apply pressure? No, you call an ambulance. Well, the soldier's ambulance (in the form of a medical bird or boat) was waiting for them right outside, and that med-vehicle could transport them to a real hospital in quicktime.
Are you telling me that they had to bring the soldiers downstairs because "acitivists" on the deck were trying to kill incapacitated people? What does that say about the "activists"? Could they need to defend themselves from incapacitated people, by killing them?
Ultimately, the question is: why would an incapicitated soldier's life be in danger during extraction from the deck, if people were merely defending themselves.
Anyway, even if the activists were trying to shelter the soldiers from further violence at the hands of other "activists", it created the impression of kidnapping and the IDF could not be sure why the men were being kidnapped. It escalated the conflict, needlessly if we are to believe that "activists" merely defended themselves.
I saw one new thing (~3:40). I didn't know before that the "activists" had attacked the helicopter.
One question... Why would they bring the soldiers downstairs? Surely they could be extracted to better medical facilities by the IDF. They are endangering the soldier's lives by preventing extraction. It could also look (to the IDF) like they are being kidnapped for nefarious purpose.
The video, like the Israeli one is not clear when it is filmed. However there is blood right at the beginning so it is suggesting their has already been serious injury.
They definitely looked to me like they were catapulting the helicopter and when I first looked I thought they had shot it down, though I see it retreated, possibly injured.
I think it is trying to show that guns were being aimed at them and they shot at the helicopter for that reason.
It isn't really any more conclusive than the Israeli one.
You didn't well it been all over the news channles, and the fact that you could hear fireing after they said that they were civilans
Here is a the raw Footage that they had on their
The soldier could get much better treatment by being allowed/assisted to go to his med-vehicle that is waiting outside.
Why can't he go to it? I'm sure it is not because Israeli soldiers are trying to kill him. Is someone else trying to murder him?
I'm sorry, but a picture of someone putting a bandage to his head does not absolve the kidnappers or mean their intentions were good. It doesn't take a genius to snap a couple pictures and cover their ass, providing support for the "we were trying to help them" line.
Remember, I was the first person to suggest that some "activists" were intervening and helping the soldiers, but there is no excuse for bringing them downstairs instead of allowing them to be extracted. It's like getting paper towels instead of calling an ambulance and then claiming "I was trying to do the right thing". It doesn't ring true... at all.
Watched the video twice. Regardless of what the American guy in the red vest on the stairs stated.....From the appearance and apparel they were wearing, those did not look like Israeli soldiers to me. One wearing a Tshirt with horizontal stripes?? And the old guy with the gray beard, pants down and checkered undershorts?? Didn't really strike me as military issue.
Color me a little confused....??
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I agree.
however, the comment on the undershorts...... you don't have to wear military issue underwear.
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