Racist talking points

[TheParser]

So in summary, you're afraid of black people because you're worried they'll punch you out of nowhere? Does this logic stop here or are you terrified of white people as well because they might shoot you?

No, I do not fear Caucasians shooting me. Of course, I realize that it might happen. After all, we are all taking a chance every time we get out of bed every morning. Mass shootings are very rare. Sucker punchings are not, despite the media doing its best to cover up such crimes.

But knowing that ethnicity X has an unusually large percentage of badly behaved young gentleman, I AM concerned whenever I see certain young gentlemen approaching. And I know that a lot of "liberals" do, too, although they would be loath to admit it.

The sanctimonious self-righteousness of "liberals" is galling.

Have a nice day!

 

[TheParser]

Should a black person feel safe entering a country and western bar?
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In 2021, she/he would be safer there than in many a neighborhood in any urban area!

Most Caucasians, regardless of their personal feelings, have accepted equal rights for everyone.

This galls the "liberals" who need "racism" in order to get votes.

 

[JMR]

No one moans and groans about Caucasians being picked on.

To the best of my knowledge, there are no riots and looting and murders when Caucasian criminals are arrested. There is no movement called "Caucasian Criminals' Lives Matter" that intimidates companies into giving "donations." (If you are alluding to the January 6 Capitol incident, let's not go there. I am talking about street crime and mass murders, etc.)


Have a nice weekend!

Are you suggesting that the protests of last year were due to George Floyd being ARRESTED? In case you are, I'd point out that many black criminals are routinely arrested. George Floyd was brutally killed during his arrest, quite publicly, and unnecessarily.

 

[TheParser]

"Racial diversity is our country's weakness"

Whoa!

Kudos to this website for allowing that one sentence.

I would be too chicken to post something as frank or even to push the "like/thanks" button.

(I am very worried about the homogeneous nature of Japan, for that government plans to let in 300,000 immigrants in the next five years.)

 

[TheParser]

The silent majority is neither silent nor the majority.

Respectfully disagree.

The majority of Americans (including MANY people of color) know that this "racism" accusation is nonsense.

And, yes, most of them are "silent," for they do not want to be canceled and because they know that nothing can be done about this racism scam.

 

[JMR]

Whoa!

Kudos to this website for allowing that one sentence.

I would be too chicken to post something as frank or even to push the "like/thanks" button.

(I am very worried about the homogeneous nature of Japan, for that government plans to let in 300,000 immigrants in the next five years.)

Obviously you missed that the poster @poweRob was adding an additional racist theme to the original list. Good to know you approve.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

In 2021, she/he would be safer there than in many a neighborhood in any urban area!

Most Caucasians, regardless of their personal feelings, have accepted equal rights for everyone.

This galls the "liberals" who need "racism" in order to get votes.

nah, it doesn't gall us at all, there are still racists in the good Ole US of A, if you have any doubts, just look for those people with swastika tattoos and carrying the rebel flag.
while my comment was half tongue in cheek, there are still places in the good Ole US of A a black man would not want to wander, like jugging in a white neighborhood maybe?
The killing of Ahmaud Arbery, an unarmed black jogger in Georgia, explained

The killing of Ahmaud Arbery, an unarmed black jogger in Georgia, explained

The white men arrested in the shooting have been indicted on murder charges.

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[TheParser]

Obviously you missed that the poster @poweRob was adding an additional racist theme to the original list. Good to know you approve.

Yes, I did miss the point.

Thanks for the clarification. And my apologies to the poster.

Yes, I approve of the population profile of Japan and a few European countries. I wish them the best of luck.

 

[poweRob]

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[Linuxcooldude]

What race has been responsible for the mass gun murders over the past few years, to include mass murders of Asians, Jews, Blacks, and Muslims? Should we immediately reference them when discussing the white race,or condemn the entire white race because of them?

Cherry picking the data. Mass shootings is typically extremely low, less than 1% of all shootings.

 

[COTO]

Not at all, but talking points are most often used to try to END a conversation than to continue in a more in-depth manner. These items, if offered, should be used as a BEGINNING of a conversation as not as a be-all, end-all of discussion about race.

Let's look at the points individually:

The idea that racism is “largely” over or dying out over time.

I agree this can unreasonably be used to avoid a discussion on how the purging of racism can be accelerated, but it can also signify a reasonable belief that no greater rate of societal shift is possible, or warranted, or wise.​

People of color are obsessed with race.

I agree this isn't true categorically. However, are some people (some DP members, for instance) obsessed with race? Absolutely. A wise man either doesn't engage such people on the topic, or engages them selectively, cautiously, and with a willingness to abort. One can't reason with an obsessed person.​

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How to tell if a member is obsessed? One good way is to search their post record and thread record. If they've created 30+ threads on the same topic or narrow pool of topics, they're undoubtedly regurgitating the same arguments again and again, which is a bright red flag that they're obsessed.​

Alleging discrimination is itself racist and divisive.

It certainly can be. Any specific instance is going to be debatable, and any debatable point is going to have people reaching different conclusions.​

Claiming discrimination is “playing the race card,” opportunistic, hypocritical demagoguery.

It certainly can be. Same as above.​

Civil rights are a crutch for those who lack merit or drive.

They certainly can be. Same as above.​

If we can address class inequality, racial inequity will take care of itself.

Yet another eminently debatable point of contention.​

Racism will always be with us, so it’s a waste of time to talk about it.

I'm an engineer, and I can sympathize with the point of view that, "If we have no way of fixing this problem, or no way of fixing the problem more effectively than we're currently fixing it, then complaining about the persistence of the problem serves no useful purpose."​

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Hence if one accepts the premise that racism in our society and its effects are being purged at the greatest sustainable rate possible--which is a debatable but not unreasonable premise--then I would have to say that "it’s a waste of time to talk about [racism]" is a perfectly logical conclusion to draw from this premise. Just as it's a waste of time to complain at length about how much better life would be if every day was 25 hours long.​

In summary, I agree that every one of these arguments can be used in a careless way to end an argument, but I can also see countless situations where each one can and should lead to the conclusion of a discussion. Hence I'm not sure what the point of your OP is, except possibly to warn, "Hey everyone. Here are some arguments that can be improperly used to shut down discussion."--which anybody who's been on a debate forum for more than two days is frankly already aware of.

 

[watsup]

Let's look at the points individually:

The idea that racism is “largely” over or dying out over time.

I agree this can unreasonably be used to avoid a discussion on how the purging of racism can be accelerated, but it can also signify a reasonable belief that no greater rate of societal shift is possible, or warranted, or wise.​

People of color are obsessed with race.

I agree this isn't true categorically. However, are some people (some DP members, for instance) obsessed with race? Absolutely. A wise man either doesn't engage such people on the topic, or engages them selectively, cautiously, and with a willingness to abort. One can't reason with an obsessed person.​

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How to tell if a member is obsessed? One good way is to search their post record and thread record. If they've created 30+ threads on the same topic or narrow pool of topics, they're undoubtedly regurgitating the same arguments again and again, which is a bright red flag that they're obsessed.​

Alleging discrimination is itself racist and divisive.

It certainly can be. Any specific instance is going to be debatable, and any debatable point is going to have people reaching different conclusions.​

Claiming discrimination is “playing the race card,” opportunistic, hypocritical demagoguery.

It certainly can be. Same as above.​

Civil rights are a crutch for those who lack merit or drive.

They certainly can be. Same as above.​

If we can address class inequality, racial inequity will take care of itself.

Yet another eminently debatable point of contention.​

Racism will always be with us, so it’s a waste of time to talk about it.

I'm an engineer, and I can sympathize with the point of view that, "If we have no way of fixing this problem, or no way of fixing the problem more effectively than we're currently fixing it, then complaining about the persistence of the problem serves no useful purpose."​

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Hence if one accepts the premise that racism in our society and its effects are being purged at the greatest sustainable rate possible--which is a debatable but not unreasonable premise--then I would have to say that "it’s a waste of time to talk about [racism]" is a perfectly logical conclusion to draw from this premise. Just as it's a waste of time to complain at length about how much better life would be if every day was 25 hours long.​

In summary, I agree that every one of these arguments can be used in a careless way to end an argument, but I can also see countless situations where each one can and should lead to the conclusion of a discussion. Hence I'm not sure what the point of your OP is, except possibly to warn, "Hey everyone. Here are some arguments that can be improperly used to shut down discussion."--which anybody who's been on a debate forum for more than two days is frankly already aware of.

Fair enough. I just get tired of the constant negativity towards blacks in general by the right wingers both here in DP and on other forums and on FOX and other right wing outlets, and probably more than we realize in real life. Honest and erious discussion about race can't be had when the intent of right wingers is to constantly be negative towards blacks. As I've said elsewhere, they have trained their minds such that when "black" or "race" is mentioned, their mind immediately starts searching for something negative to say. It's sick and disgusting.

 

[NatMorton]

While the article below is not specific to racist talking points, it does contain a quick list of some that we hear quite often from our right wing/Republican racist friends. You Keep in mind that today’s racism does not consist of name-calling such as using the n-word, but rather of what seems to be a constant need on the part of the racist types to find nothing but negatives to express about blacks. Anyway, here are some of the talking points that they use:

“A few common themes include:

The idea that racism is “largely” over or dying out over time.
People of color are obsessed with race.
Alleging discrimination is itself racist and divisive.
Claiming discrimination is “playing the race card,” opportunistic, hypocritical demagoguery.
Civil rights are a crutch for those who lack merit or drive.
If we can address class inequality, racial inequity will take care of itself.
Racism will always be with us, so it’s a waste of time to talk about it.”

For more info: https://www.opportunityagenda.org/e...-talking-about-race-racism-and-racial-justice

Remember, when you can't find actual racism it's always helpful if you can redefine the term to suit the given situation.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

Remember, when you can't find actual racism it's always helpful if you can redefine the term to suit the given situation.

I've said that many times myself. If actual racism can't be found, re-define the definition in which it still suggests it.

 

[COTO]

Fair enough. I just get tired of the constant negativity towards blacks in general by the right wingers both here in DP and on other forums and on FOX and other right wing outlets, and probably more than we realize in real life. Honest and erious discussion about race can't be had when the intent of right wingers is to constantly be negative towards blacks. As I've said elsewhere, they have trained their minds such that when "black" or "race" is mentioned, their mind immediately starts searching for something negative to say. It's sick and disgusting.

I would break "black-bashing" (let's call it) on DP into three separate categories:

1. The phenomenon you're describing, whereby a member makes some disparaging comment or cites some unflattering fact/statistic about blacks, either spontaneously or in a discussion where the material serves no useful purpose.
   
   
2. The 'legitimate' case where a member makes some disparaging comment or cites some unflattering fact/statistic about blacks in a discussion where the material does serve as valid counterpoint to an argument being advanced in the thread.
   
   
3. The 'reactionary' case where a DP member is advancing an argument such as "Whites don't...", "Because of whites...", "Whites are to blame...", "A white person thinks...", i.e. explicitly blaming white people for some evil (or at the very least, framing a social issue as whites versus non-whites in broad generalities). This leads to defensiveness on the part of white members, who understandably don't like being stereotyped, blamed, or broadly criticized.
   
   Typically, in this case, the black-bashing is a counterpoint intended to emphasize that blacks are an equal or greater cause of a particular social evil, or, more generally, to emphasize that there are factors which suggest whites shouldn't be uniquely or exclusively blamed.

Based on my own limited observations, I'd peg the breakdown on DP at 10%/10%/80%. That is, some black-bashing is legitimate, an equal part is totally illegitimate, and the vast majority it simply members fighting fire with fire, criticism with criticism, blame with blame.

 

[ecofarm]

Almost all sucker punchers are young gentlemen of ethnicity X.

Flat prison racism right out of the gate.

lol

 

[watsup]

Remember, when you can't find actual racism it's always helpful if you can redefine the term to suit the given situation.

I always use the primary definition of the term, which is a feeling of superiority over a particular race. That really seems to be the goal of the right wingers in their unrelenting negativity towards the black race in general.

 

[watsup]

Remember, when you can't find actual racism it's always helpful if you can redefine the term to suit the given situation.

Actually, it's the right wingers who insist on "dumbing down" the definition of racism so that they can, for instance, use the talking point that "everyone is racist in a way" and therefore avoid discussing the centrality of the racism situation in the United States.

 

[watsup]

I've said that many times myself. If actual racism can't be found, re-define the definition in which it still suggests it.

It's what right wingers do constantly. "Dumb it down" in order to avoid inDepth discussion.

 

[RealityNow]

The Racist and Bigots of Confederacy Mentality, Confederacy Grooming and Confederacy Agenda, are well known in this site... Most who have been on this site, can spot them in an instance.

• Even a first time visitor to this site can identify them by their one liner slap stick, denial spins and deflecting gaming.

Society is familiar with their "code words", "code phrases" and their aim to try and think they can be cleaver in how they promote their Jim Crow Racist Ideals.

simple analogy: One can put lipstick on a pig, a bow tie around its neck, and paint it's hoof's in flashy colors.... and even a child can recognize its still a pig.
Its easy to see how some are hoping they can re-create their Jim Crow youth and some want to demonstrate the grooming they get from their Jim Crow Era Parents.

The Racist Bigotry is overtly visible, even when they try to be covert in how they express it. ​

 

[watsup]

I would break "black-bashing" (let's call it) on DP into three separate categories:

1. The phenomenon you're describing, whereby a member makes some disparaging comment or cites some unflattering fact/statistic about blacks, either spontaneously or in a discussion where the material serves no useful purpose.
   
   
2. The 'legitimate' case where a member makes some disparaging comment or cites some unflattering fact/statistic about blacks in a discussion where the material does serve as valid counterpoint to an argument being advanced in the thread.
   
   
3. The 'reactionary' case where a DP member is advancing an argument such as "Whites don't...", "Because of whites...", "Whites are to blame...", "A white person thinks...", i.e. explicitly blaming white people for some evil (or at the very least, framing a social issue as whites versus non-whites in broad generalities). This leads to defensiveness on the part of white members, who understandably don't like being stereotyped, blamed, or broadly criticized.
   
   Typically, in this case, the black-bashing is a counterpoint intended to emphasize that blacks are an equal or greater cause of a particular social evil, or, more generally, to emphasize that there are factors which suggest whites shouldn't be uniquely or exclusively blamed.

Based on my own limited observations, I'd peg the breakdown on DP at 10%/10%/80%. That is, some black-bashing is legitimate, an equal part is totally illegitimate, and the vast majority it simply members fighting fire with fire, criticism with criticism, blame with blame.

I disagree. The right wing racists don't need to be provoked in any way to start spouting their negativity. For proof, look at all the threads started by the right wingers that are based in negativity towards blacks. It happens over and over and over. Plus much of the claims about white as regards racism are STRAWMEN stated by the right wingers themselves so that they can then rail against the liberals who supposedly say them. That happens most of the time--unprovoked Strawmen by right wingers so that they can become defensive where none was mandated.
As far as #2, the so-called "legitimate" negativity towards blacks, it's because that is how the right winger has trained his mind: when the words black or race come up, the mind is triggered to find and post a "legitimate" negativity towards blacks, but when that is the "go to" position well, sir, that is the very definition of racism---an automatic reaction of negativity.

 

[watsup]

The Racist and Bigots of Confederacy Mentality, Confederacy Grooming and Confederacy Agenda, are well known in this site... Most who have been on this site, can spot them in an instance.

• Even a first time visitor to this site can identify them by their one liner slap stick, denial spins and deflecting gaming.

Society is familiar with their "code words", "code phrases" and their aim to try and think they can be cleaver in how they promote their Jim Crow Racist Ideals.

simple analogy: One can put lipstick on a pig, a bow tie around its neck, and paint it's hoof's in flashy colors.... and even a child can recognize its still a pig.
Its easy to see how some are hoping they can re-create their Jim Crow youth and some want to demonstrate the grooming they get from their Jim Crow Era Parents.

The Racist Bigotry is overtly visible, even when they try to be covert in how they express it. ​

Over on another thread, I noted that one of the poster was very "coy" in the manner in which he showed his negsticity towards blacks without actually saying the word. "Coy" actually meaning dishonest. Many of them use this method to try to deny their intent.

 

[Fletch]

I always use the primary definition of the term, which is a feeling of superiority over a particular race. That really seems to be the goal of the right wingers in their unrelenting negativity towards the black race in general.

What right wingers are you talking about? Since you seem to believe every right winger feels this way you should be able to name a few names.

 

[aociswundumho]

What race has been responsible for the mass gun murders over the past few years, to include mass murders of Asians, Jews, Blacks, and Muslims?

The race of mass shooters represents US demographics:

Broadly speaking, the racial distribution of mass shootings mirrors the racial distribution of the U.S. population as a whole. While a superficial comparison of the statistics seems to suggest African American shooters are over-represented and Latino shooters underrepresented, the fact that the shooter’s race is unclear in around five percent of cases, along with the different time frames over which these statistics are calculated means no such conclusions should be drawn.

Mass shootings by shooter’s race U.S. 2025| Statista

Between 1982 and August 2025, 84 out of the 155 mass shootings in the United States were carried out by white shooters.

www.statista.com

 

[watsup]

What right wingers are you talking about? Since you seem to believe every right winger feels this way you should be able to name a few names.

Sorry, can't do. By DP rules, racists can't actually be called racists without being dinged. The hard part would be finding a right winger who posts about race who is not actually racist.