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ttwtt78640 said:
Gun deaths refers to some other thread - this one is about mass shooting events.
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Yeah, but the proofs used are only showing Gun Deaths, so, ya'know...
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Only if your idea of crime prevention is to simply hope that criminals will not cheat and seek guns elsewhere. With tons of drugs coming into town, these folks don't lack for black market connections.
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Crime prevention is to attack the problem from it's abilities to do the most damage. It's the ease of crimes that makes them popular.
 
jet57 said:
No it means that Chicago is because all the gangs go to Indiana and Wisconsin for their guns.

Reading is fundamental.
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Well, ain't that funny. That means Chicago is riddled with gangs - really bad people.
Maybe the mayor should do something about that ...

But, heck, no. The mayor seems to think that Chicago wouldn't have violent criminals if it weren't for the neighboring states "leading them into temptation". :lamo
 
Barnacle said:
Well, ain't that funny. That means Chicago is riddled with gangs - really bad people.
Maybe the mayor should do something about that ...

But, heck, no. The mayor seems to think that Chicago wouldn't have violent criminals if it weren't for the neighboring states "leading them into temptation". :lamo
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Yeah well, since you don't know what you're talking about I guess that's the best answer you can muster up.

What - if - those gangsters couldn't get their guns outside of Illinois?
 
jet57 said:
Show me.
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You want me to show you how to download data to a spreadsheet? Seriously?

There's probably a YouTube video for how to go about it and if you don't have a spreadsheet program already you can download Libre Office for free.
 
jet57 said:
Yeah well, since you don't know what you're talking about I guess that's the best answer you can muster up.

What - if - those gangsters couldn't get their guns outside of Illinois?
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Border to Mexico is wide open ...
 
jet57 said:
Crime prevention is to attack the problem from it's abilities to do the most damage. It's the ease of crimes that makes them popular.
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Exactly, (plus the tax free profits) thus criminals like to deal with folks that can deliver drugs and guns to them 24/7/365. Why leave a paper trail at a FFL dealer when you don't have to?
 
Lutherf said:
California is on the West coast of the US, South of Oregon. If you put your finger on the Pacific Ocean and move East to the US there's a good chance you'll find California.


You actually have to want to find the data. If it helps, you can use the "search database" function on the site which is here - Search Results (Incidents) | Gun Violence Archive

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I actually pulled the data from this page - Mass Shootings
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I would like to know if there is any data correlating a decrease in murders with increases in gun restrictions. If the laws work you should be able to show it in the data

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trouble13 said:
I would like to know if there is any data correlating a decrease in murders with increases in gun restrictions. If the laws work you should be able to show it in the data

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I have never seen such data.

I did, a while back, take a look at the change in the homicide rate for the UK and Australia after they implemented their ban. I also looked at the homicide rate for the US before and after the AWB. In all cases there was a decrease but the US decreased a whole lot more than the UK or Australia that placed outright bans on firearms. The US decrease began before the AWB and continued after so it's more likely that something other than the ban had an impact. In all likelihood that "something" was a change in sentencing guidelines and enhanced sentences for crimes committed while in possession of a firearm.
 
It seems to me this, like many things, should be examined on a per-capita basis.

Otherwise places like Texas & California will be overweighted, and places like Delaware & Rhode Island will be underweighted.
 
Chomsky said:
It seems to me this, like many things, should be examined on a per-capita basis.

Otherwise places like Texas & California will be overweighted, and places like Delaware & Rhode Island will be underweighted.
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If you take a look at homicide data as a whole you'll find that the highest per capita rates tend to be metropolitan areas. That really makes sense population density provides the criminal with more targets and more anonymity which translates to a lower chance of getting caught. Homicides tend to follow other crimes so areas with a lot of other crime issues also seem to have higher homicide rates.
 
Lutherf said:
You want me to show you how to download data to a spreadsheet? Seriously?

There's probably a YouTube video for how to go about it and if you don't have a spreadsheet program already you can download Libre Office for free.
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I want you to prove your assertion.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Exactly, (plus the tax free profits) thus criminals like to deal with folks that can deliver drugs and guns to them 24/7/365. Why leave a paper trail at a FFL dealer when you don't have to?
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Aaaaand that's why they go to easy states to get their guns!
 
ttwtt78640 said:
They have connections to multi-billion dollar criminal operations all over the world.
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Chicago street gangs? So, do they order a 1000 AK47s from the Ukraine 'er what? Oh, they get'em from the Medellín Cartel...


:lamo
 
jet57 said:
That's where most if it comes from right? Why? Most of the raw material for heroin comes from Afghanistan; why?
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Supply without demand is useless. Demand creates the motive to generate the supply.

No demand, no supply. We, the US create the demand for south American and afghan drugs, the same way residents of IL creates the demand for guns from neighboring states.

Basic economics.
 
jet57 said:
I want you to prove your assertion.
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My good man, the data is there. The fact that you're too lazy to click the links I provided and then do a little counting in no way negates my claim.
 
jet57 said:
Chicago street gangs? So, do they order a 1000 AK47s from the Ukraine 'er what? Oh, they get'em from the Medellín Cartel...


:lamo
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If your mission is just to blast some punk in the other gang then you use a throwaway gun - that's why so many guns are recovered. Why keep a gun that ties you to the crime?
 
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