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Question: When rights conflict with one another, is there a primacy of rights?[W:349

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Bob Blaylock said:
Yes, it is. It always has been, and it always will be.
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No one can help you then. You ignore reality.
 
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I note that nobody who supports forcing this photographer to take part in sick perversions against his will have been willing to address the question that I have raised.

I'll ask it again, though I doubt I'll get the answer that has, so far, not been forthcoming.

If, instead of a sick mockery of a wedding, it was a Westboro Baptist gathering, would you support forcing the photographer to accept an assignment that involves him in that event, if he wishes to have nothing to do with it?
 
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sangha said:
No, that is not the definition of involuntary servitude, and even if it was, it still doesn't apply to the circumstances. The photographer willingly and voluntarily chose to run their business as a public accommodation. There was no coercion.
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wrong .......when i go into business, i dont surrender my rights of any kind.

only when a crime has been committed, of something which could violate a right of CITIZEN, like destruction of life or property can government curtail me.......discrimination is not a CRIME.


Involuntary Servitude

Slavery; the condition of an individual who works for another individual against his or her will as a result of force, coercion, or imprisonment, regardless of whether the individual is paid for the labor.

The term involuntary servitude is used in reference to any type of slavery, peonage, or compulsory labor for the satisfaction of debts. Two essential elements of involuntary servitude are involuntariness, which is compulsion to act against one's will, and servitude, which is some form of labor for another.

Involuntary Servitude - lawbrain.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_servitude
 
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ernst barkmann said:
wrong .......when i go into business, i dont surrender my rights of any kind.
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Of course not.

But a public accommodation does not have the right to refuse service to someone because they are a member of a protected class

It is impossible to "surrender" a right which you don't have in the first place
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
I note that nobody who supports forcing this photographer to take part in sick perversions against his will have been willing to address the question that I have raised.

I'll ask it again, though I doubt I'll get the answer that has, so far, not been forthcoming.

If, instead of a sick mockery of a wedding, it was a Westboro Baptist gathering, would you support forcing the photographer to accept an assignment that involves him in that event, if he wishes to have nothing to do with it?
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If she was an event photographer, and they asked and paid, yep. It's Her Job.
 
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TiredOfLife said:
No one can help you then. You ignore reality.
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Reality is what it is.

Homosexuality is an abomination and a perversion against God and nature. It is not currently politically-correct to acknowledge this unalterable truth, but it remains the truth nevertheless; and any who deny it or condemn others for upholding it are in no position to accuse anyone else of “ignoring reality”.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
Reality is what it is.

Homosexuality is an abomination and a perversion against God and nature. It is not currently politically-correct to acknowledge this unalterable truth, but it remains the truth nevertheless; and any who deny it or condemn others for upholding it are in no position to accuse anyone else of “ignoring reality”.
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The world, especially the US, is leaving you in the dust. Feel free to preach into the wind, that is your right.
 
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TiredOfLife said:
If she was an event photographer, and they asked and paid, yep. It's Her Job.
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So, at least you're consistent, but do you really not see how tyrannical and how immoral it is to force anyone, to that degree, to violate the dictates of his own conscience?

Surely the right of a person to act in accordance to his own understanding of good and evil outweighs the right of anyone else to compel his services against his will, in connection with something that he finds immoral.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
So, at least you're consistent, but do you really not see how tyrannical and how immoral it is to force anyone, to that degree, to violate the dictates of his own conscience?

Surely the right of a person to act in accordance to his own understanding of good and evil outweighs the right of anyone else to compel his services against his will, in connection with something that he finds immoral.
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When you sign up to serve the public that's what you do. You don't get to pick and choose. It's a business, not a church.
 
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sangha said:
Of course not.

But a public accommodation does not have the right to refuse service to someone because they are a member of a protected class

It is impossible to "surrender" a right which you don't have in the first place
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if i violate someone's rights.....that is a criminal action...its a crime.

if i commit a crime, government has the authority per the constitution ......to MAKE me do things against my will.

if i commit no crime, ...then i have not violated anyone's rights......there is no criminal law violated.

government has no authority to force me to to do things against my will, when no crime has taken place.

statutory laws, do not override constitutional law........and rights of people.

discrimination laws are statutory laws.....

Statutory law or statute law is written law (as opposed to oral or customary law) set down by a legislature (as opposed to regulatory law promulgated by the executive or common law of the judiciary) or by a legislator (in the case of an absolute monarchy).[1] Statutes may originate with national, state legislatures or local municipalities. Statutory laws are subordinate to the higher constitutional laws of the land.


Statutory law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Re: Question: When rights conflict with one another, is there a primacy of rights?

sangha said:
Of course not.

But a public accommodation does not have the right to refuse service to someone because they are a member of a protected class

It is impossible to "surrender" a right which you don't have in the first place
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i have a right to association and property, ...these are known rights...........

i dont have to associate with you ......if i choose not to.

discrimination law of the constitution are for the government ONLY,...not the people or business, they are not limited by the constitution
 
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what is discrimination? essentially is moral behavior, and how one interacts with another.

since Jesus spoke and told us to "love each other", this would put discrimination as a sin.

government is not a moral authority to teach citizens....... to or not to sin.

discrimination laws placed on people/ business are not constitutional.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


can anyone show me in the constitution, were limitations are placed on the people / business ?

federal law is below constitutional law...........no federal law can override the constitution.
 
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I hope a law like the NM comes to PA soon, its disgusting to allow that type of bigotry especially when it comes to employment and firing people. Most of the big cities have laws or ordinances against it and some counties but it needs to be state wide, hell its need to be more clearly defined nationally so people will stop crying about it and trying to use fallacy loop holes.
 
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AGENT J said:
I hope a law like the NM comes to PA soon, its disgusting to allow that type of bigotry especially when it comes to employment and firing people. Most of the big cities have laws or ordinances against it and some counties but it needs to be state wide, hell its need to be more clearly defined nationally so people will stop crying about it and trying to use fallacy loop holes.
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So anyway you never did answer me what the right to liberty is.
 
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AGENT J said:
I hope a law like the NM comes to PA soon, its disgusting to allow that type of bigotry especially when it comes to employment and firing people. Most of the big cities have laws or ordinances against it and some counties but it needs to be state wide, hell its need to be more clearly defined nationally so people will stop crying about it and trying to use fallacy loop holes.
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sorry you dont like constitutional law, because it does not fall with in you ideology.

as such as discrimination is a sin, and wrong type of behavior to engage in........no person should ...EVER be force by government to do things against their will, .....just because a person or government does not like their moral disposition.

i am sure their are plenty of people in this nation, who would not like how you use your rights, and would love to stop you........however they dont have the power to be your moral authority either.
 
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Henrin said:
So anyway you never did answer me what the right to liberty is.
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The right to "do what we want", first established in 'Northern Tribes v Rehoboam'.
 
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Henrin said:
So anyway you never did answer me what the right to liberty is.
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you are right you still are dodging my question to you about any facts you have to support your opinions?

still none yet? still trying to deflect?

yep thats what i thought
 
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AGENT J said:
translation: you are still dodging and running away from my questions and challenge, thats what i thought. You got no facts on your side>

so ill ask again "what facts do you have to go against the facts that were already stated, answer the question?"
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You have a weird way to talk to people and an odd way to lie. Who here is dodged my question on what the right to liberty is? That would be you.
 
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AGENT J said:
you are right you still are dodging my question to you about any facts you have to support your opinions?

still none yet? still trying to deflect?

yep thats what i thought
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I'm dodging nothing. Tell me though, how long do you plan on dodging me?
 
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ernst barkmann said:
1.)sorry you dont like constitutional law, because it does not fall with in you ideology.
2.) as such as discrimination is a sin, and wrong type of behavior to engage in........no person should NEVER be force by government to do things against their will, .....just because a person or government does not like their moral disposition.
3.) i am sure their are plenty of people in this nation, who would not like how you use your rights, and would love to stop you........however they dont have the power to be your moral authority either.
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1.) I love it no matter what your OPINION of it is
2.) has nothing to do with sin for me but please feel free to make up more opinion
3.) cool story

hmmm let me think if this changes any thing for me . . . . . .
nope
i still stand by how i feel

"I hope a law like the NM comes to PA soon, its disgusting to allow that type of bigotry especially when it comes to employment and firing people. Most of the big cities have laws or ordinances against it and some counties but it needs to be state wide, hell its need to be more clearly defined nationally so people will stop crying about it and trying to use fallacy loop holes."

and the fact it bothers you assures me its a good ruling and law and ordinance
 
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Henrin said:
I'm dodging nothing. Tell me though, how long do you plan on dodging me?
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You might just as well ask a flounder to soar like an eagle, as to ask this individual for an honest response.
 
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Henrin said:
I'm dodging nothing. Tell me though, how long do you plan on dodging me?
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posting lies wont change the fact you've been dodging for pages and trying to deflect, its hilarious and the reason you always fail, you never have any facts to back up your P.O.T.

ever, thats why its funny

please make another post exposing yourself, desperate;ly trying to deflect and get the egg off your face and dodging again, i love it

let me know when you get any facts to support you . . . . . any . . . . .
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
You might just as well ask a flounder to soar like an eagle, as to ask this individual for an honest response.
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see and people say your not funny, this type of satire and irony in your writing is bar none

remind me which one of us have been caught posting lies by endless posters, only you bob

if you disagree feel free to prove otherwise
 
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Henrin said:
You have a weird way to talk to people and an odd way to lie. Who here is dodged my question on what the right to liberty is? That would be you.
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not one lie in my post
who here has not provided any facts what so ever to support their opinions? that would be you
who here keeps trying to ask a meaningless straw man liberty question desperately trying to deflect? thats you

its like you think the thread disappears or something, its still here proving you factually wrong like usual, nice try though but another fail and more egg on your face.

let me know when you got facts to support your P.O.T. ive been waiting for pages and nothing, notta thats what you got and i love it cracks me up everytime you post again with out even trying
 
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