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This is a question for American leftists, democrats, progressives, liberals etc not conservatives or independents and moderates, or really anyone who is giving a second thought to voting democrat in 2016

Do you have a problem with any of the Democratic nominee's? That is to say, if any of the candidates running this year for the democratic nomination got elected president, would you be upset, or even really mind?
 
This is a question for American leftists, democrats, progressives, liberals etc not conservatives or independents and moderates, or really anyone who is giving a second thought to voting democrat in 2016

Do you have a problem with any of the Democratic nominee's? That is to say, if any of the candidates running this year for the democratic nomination got elected president, would you be upset, or even really mind?

In other words, this is not for the infidels (or potential infidels). :mrgreen:
 
This is a question for American leftists, democrats, progressives, liberals etc not conservatives or independents and moderates, or really anyone who is giving a second thought to voting democrat in 2016

Do you have a problem with any of the Democratic nominee's? That is to say, if any of the candidates running this year for the democratic nomination got elected president, would you be upset, or even really mind?

Hillary. But she's going to get the nomination
 
This is a question for American leftists, democrats, progressives, liberals etc not conservatives or independents and moderates, or really anyone who is giving a second thought to voting democrat in 2016

Do you have a problem with any of the Democratic nominee's? That is to say, if any of the candidates running this year for the democratic nomination got elected president, would you be upset, or even really mind?

Yes. Hillary is NOT a progressive nor even left learning. She is a neocon who will continue to wage wars across the planet all the while playing the leftist by using all the familiar feminist and racial memes that will make her sound like a progressive.
 
This is a question for American leftists, democrats, progressives, liberals etc not conservatives or independents and moderates, or really anyone who is giving a second thought to voting democrat in 2016

Do you have a problem with any of the Democratic nominee's? That is to say, if any of the candidates running this year for the democratic nomination got elected president, would you be upset, or even really mind?

The thing is, most will just be happy none of the republican crazies made it in. Kasich is really the only remotely moderate republican candidate, and he's been struggling to stay relevant without dipping into the classic anti-abortion/anti-gay/I pray a Lot speeches that (in my opinion) turn away a lot of those in the middle. My impression is a lot of Dems aren't super thrilled about Hillary, she's certainly a big cog in the machine and has a lot of ties to special interests, but next to any of the rights other candidates a Hillary win would still come with a certain sense of relief. Hell, a lot of us in the middle feel that way. The same is true for Bernie, he's just less likely.
 
This is a question for American leftists, democrats, progressives, liberals etc not conservatives or independents and moderates, or really anyone who is giving a second thought to voting democrat in 2016

Do you have a problem with any of the Democratic nominee's? That is to say, if any of the candidates running this year for the democratic nomination got elected president, would you be upset, or even really mind?

It will be Clinton barring some unforeseen calamity. And I am not a fan of Hillary Clinton. I would have preferred Joe Biden or even Al Gore. I would love to see Bernie Sanders be President but I am a realist who knows he could never get elected.

So - here is what I do
1- accept that its Hillary
2- realize we will get a moderate President who will follow the corporatist friendly line that her husband followed
3- and she will be a hell of a lot better than any of the right wingers on the other side.

So I settle for half a loaf - as seems to be usual. Of course, with Obama I thought we getting the real deal but ended up with the half a loaf in short order.
 
First, under no circumstances will I vote Republican so I guess I qualify to answer this thread. I will vote for Bernie in the primary. If, by a stroke of luck, he wins I will vote for him in the general election.

If Hillary wins the primary it becomes more complicated. In a normal year I would vote third party before voting for Hillary. And if the general election were a Hillary vs Rubio or a Hillary vs JEB election I would most definitely vote third party. I voted third party in the last Presidential election.

However, this year the Republicans have Trump, Carson, and Cruz. The thought of one of them as President is so abhorrent to me that if one of those three wins the Republican nomination I might break down and vote the lesser of two evils, which would be Hillary. I would not be happy about it and would need a very long shower afterwards to wash off the stench of shame, but that is how bad I think Trump, Carson, or Cruz would be for this country. Yes, Hillary will be bad for the country but it will be the same old bad we are used to. Trump, Carson, or Cruz are on a whole other level.
 
I think that Bernie Sanders will land the Democratic Party nomination. I will happily vote for him.

If Hillary gets the nod, I will vote for the Libertarian (or other third party candidate). My vote will not count regardless. This is Texas.
 
This is a question for American leftists, democrats, progressives, liberals etc not conservatives or independents and moderates, or really anyone who is giving a second thought to voting democrat in 2016

Do you have a problem with any of the Democratic nominee's? That is to say, if any of the candidates running this year for the democratic nomination got elected president, would you be upset, or even really mind?

I have a problem with the fact that Hillary has been deemed for reasons I don't understand to be the Democratic candidate we'll be permitted to have over the Democratic candidate who is consistently honest and holds to the principles our party supposedly stands for.
 
First, under no circumstances will I vote Republican so I guess I qualify to answer this thread. I will vote for Bernie in the primary. If, by a stroke of luck, he wins I will vote for him in the general election.

If Hillary wins the primary it becomes more complicated. In a normal year I would vote third party before voting for Hillary. And if the general election were a Hillary vs Rubio or a Hillary vs JEB election I would most definitely vote third party. I voted third party in the last Presidential election.

However, this year the Republicans have Trump, Carson, and Cruz. The thought of one of them as President is so abhorrent to me that if one of those three wins the Republican nomination I might break down and vote the lesser of two evils, which would be Hillary. I would not be happy about it and would need a very long shower afterwards to wash off the stench of shame, but that is how bad I think Trump, Carson, or Cruz would be for this country. Yes, Hillary will be bad for the country but it will be the same old bad we are used to. Trump, Carson, or Cruz are on a whole other level.

This, I think, is going to be the crux of it for a lot of people, especially if Hillary wins the primary.

Hillary is a devil we all know. She's a bog-standard sold out neocon politician. Nothing crazy or unexpected is going to come out of her. It's also unlikely anything good will come out of her, and she's is not a liberal or progressive candidate by any meaning of the term, yet she is... predictable.

But we have genuinely crazy people pulling down strong numbers on the GOP side... again.

It's really hard for sane people when there are so many lunatic candidates in one party, and the other isn't fielding anything but glorified corporate shills.
 
I will be very upset if Clinton s the nominee. She will be defeated by most Republicans, she is wall street friendly, corrupt and power hungry. She will do nothing to change the system. For me it's Bernie or bust.
 
This is a question for American leftists, democrats, progressives, liberals etc not conservatives or independents and moderates, or really anyone who is giving a second thought to voting democrat in 2016

Do you have a problem with any of the Democratic nominee's? That is to say, if any of the candidates running this year for the democratic nomination got elected president, would you be upset, or even really mind?

Hillary is a corrupt corporate shill and a probable psychopath; I would be very upset if she won the nomination over Bernie.

That said, I would sooner vote for her over any Republican candidate, all of which, barring Trump, are likewise bought out albeit with a worse platform. In Trump's case the man is a borderline fascist demagogue with untenable policy who has no business being anywhere near the White House, the title and responsibilities of Commander in Chief, or its nuclear arsenal.
 
Do any polls show Bernie beating Republicans?
 
This is a question for American leftists, democrats, progressives, liberals etc not conservatives or independents and moderates, or really anyone who is giving a second thought to voting democrat in 2016

Do you have a problem with any of the Democratic nominee's? That is to say, if any of the candidates running this year for the democratic nomination got elected president, would you be upset, or even really mind?
As long as they have a (D) it could be Ficus Tree. I sure as hell can't vote for the GOP Nazis.
 
Well, I'm pretty close to moderate but I'll ignore your prohibition in the OP and say:

Hillary worries me because I cannot trust her. She's a pure political animal. The only things I could really trust her to do are: (1) make SCOTUS appointments that aren't going to fight against Roe or Ogberfell, (2) stand for whatever it is people are currently most in agreement about.

Sanders worries me because, while he seems like one of those rare honest politicians who actually means what he says and intends to do the right thing, the more I look into the sum total of his positions on various things, there is much I disagree with. He's simply further left than I'd like. On the other hand, that worry is tempered by what congress might realistically be willing to do.



I'll say this: If Trump is the GOP candidate, then at this point, I think I will have no choice but either to vote Democrat or sit home.

(Not that it matters all that much here in MA)
 
As long as they have a (D) it could be Ficus Tree. I sure as hell can't vote for the GOP Nazis.

Godwinning on your first post. Awesome.

Lol...

It's funny because Bernie Sanders is allot closer to being a National Socialist than any of the GOP candidates
 
Godwinning on your first post. Awesome.

Lol...

It's funny because Bernie Sanders is allot closer to being a National Socialist than any of the GOP candidates
He's a Socialist, not a Fascist. That's a right-wing thing.
 
Trouble is, what can many of these people on either side actually accomplish out of their their individual proposed programs? If Bernie is elected president is the Republican congress going to rubber stamp his socialist ideas? Hell, even some Democrats would vote against some of them. If Hillary is elected president is congress going to rubber stamp any of her ideas or will she just be another Obama in office where the congress refuses to do anything she wants? On the other side, many of the Republicans have some pretty far right agendas that would never make it through congress without a supermajority in both the House and Senate. I predict the House will retain their supermajority while the Republicans will wind up having less members in the Senate than they do now, even if they have a small majority. The presidency is getting to be as worthless as a job as the VP is.
 
This is a question for American leftists, democrats, progressives, liberals etc not conservatives or independents and moderates, or really anyone who is giving a second thought to voting democrat in 2016

Do you have a problem with any of the Democratic nominee's? That is to say, if any of the candidates running this year for the democratic nomination got elected president, would you be upset, or even really mind?

Yes, I have serious problems with Hillary Clinton.

1. She fails my first automatic litmus test -- she voted in favor of the Iraq War. I made a promise to myself a long, long time ago that I will never vote for anyone who voted for that travesty.
2. I don't trust her. She is disingenuous as all get-out.
3. She carpetbagged her ass into my state just to win a Senate seat, donning a Yankees hat to pander to NY voters when she's a Chicago native and a lifelong Cubs fan.
4. She's too hawkish for my tastes.

If she wins the nomination, which seems like a virtual certainty, I'm voting third party.
 
I think that Bernie Sanders will land the Democratic Party nomination. I will happily vote for him.

If Hillary gets the nod, I will vote for the Libertarian (or other third party candidate). My vote will not count regardless. This is Texas.

Pretty much why I can vote third party with a clear conscience. I live in New York, which hasn't gone GOP since 1984.
 
Godwinning on your first post. Awesome.

Lol...

It's funny because Bernie Sanders is allot closer to being a National Socialist than any of the GOP candidates

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This is a question for American leftists, democrats, progressives, liberals etc not conservatives or independents and moderates, or really anyone who is giving a second thought to voting democrat in 2016

Do you have a problem with any of the Democratic nominee's? That is to say, if any of the candidates running this year for the democratic nomination got elected president, would you be upset, or even really mind?

I am not a democrat or a liberal, but quite a few liberals I know are currently supporting trump, which shows both sides are absolutely fed up with bush and clinton monarchies and rank and file politics, to the extent they support a guy like trump just because he is non establishment.


Some of those I know who did not cross party lines tp back trump want to back sanders, and the only people i see backing clinton are democrat loyalists not liberal loyalists.
 
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This is a question for American leftists, democrats, progressives, liberals etc not conservatives or independents and moderates, or really anyone who is giving a second thought to voting democrat in 2016

Do you have a problem with any of the Democratic nominee's? That is to say, if any of the candidates running this year for the democratic nomination got elected president, would you be upset, or even really mind?

Looking at your political lean (and you can look at mine), I'm probably not your target audience here, but I will answer:


I am most happy with Bernie Sanders. Sanders has stood on the right side of history, in terms of real political options, for nearly 4 decades. He was on the right side of history on income inequality, civil rights, gay rights, American imperialism, and so forth, and he's genuine and he cares for the American people and has proctored actual sensible solutions to middle-eastern violence. Basically, he's a step in the right direction, and beyond a shadow of a doubt, when compared to the people who've run for office over the past 7 decades, no one has deserved to sit in the Oval Office more than Bernie Sanders. He's a good, strong center-left candidate.

Hillary Clinton is another center-right Democrat who's 100% for the establishment, she's literally been bought off by Wall Street like every other establishment Republican and Democrat, but she's more nobly intentioned than any Republican candidate. Under her presidency, she'd is a neocon so we can only expect serious human rights violations across the world --again, fewer than any Republican, but still terrible-- due to her abhorrent foreign policy views.

Martin O'Malley is a less bought-off but still very establishment Democrat. He'd be considerably better than Hillary in terms of actually occasionally supporting the lower and middle classes and environmental issues, so maybe he's a full stop centrist candidate. But he wouldn't be too wildly different than a Hillary Clinton presidency.


But again, the Republicans are so far off the spectrum in terms of right-wing extremism (Donald Trump is nearly openly a fascist at this point, and he's the leading candidate), I'm forced to vote blue even though I hate Democrats and the Democratic establishment (Debbie Schultz can go f*** herself as far as I'm concerned). But there needs to be a slow reform of the Democratic party to support actual left-wing politics.
 
I will be very upset if Clinton s the nominee. She will be defeated by most Republicans, she is wall street friendly, corrupt and power hungry. She will do nothing to change the system. For me it's Bernie or bust.

I do worry about this. Sanders is clearly the best candidate for America. But the Democratic establishment is pulling out all of the stops to keep him from the nomination. I mean literally, all of the techniques of manufactured consent are being rolled out against him --although tonight he'll make history, again, with a record number of 2 million campaign contributions.

It's funny because Bernie Sanders is allot closer to being a National Socialist than any of the GOP candidates

This is a simple demonstration of you not understanding what the word "fascist" and "nazi" actually mean at a definition level.
 
Do any polls show Bernie beating Republicans?

I have no idea about polling data, but he probably has the second best shot in my opinion. I think Hillary would win if nominated, because too many of the left will say "now it time for affirmative action and put a woman in office."
 
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