Question for California residents, what keeps you there?

[EMNofSeattle]

Do you have any idea how big California and what its population is?
You seem to like making a joke of yourself. California provides the federal government with money that much of it ends up being spent to prop up red states.
California paves the pathway into the 21st Century .... quote "What happened politically in California about 15 years ago is hitting America now, and what’s happening politically now in California will hit the rest of America over the next 15 years." end quote

16 mind-blowing facts about California's economy​

quote California is one of the major economic engines of the United States.
With a population of more than 39 million people, the Golden State has the most people of any US state, and drives many of the nation's cultural trends.
The state has an incredibly diverse economy, with Hollywood, Silicon Valley, manufacturing, and agriculture all making significant contributions.
With such a dynamic economy, California is full of mind-blowing facts and figures. end quote

Considering California’s high wealth inequality, high childhood poverty, increasing crime, crumbling infrastructure, the idea the whole country will be California in 15 years is very frightening.

California can only function from the wealth of other places in America. California’s agriculture is largely luxury crops that waste water, which is becoming rarer because no new water infrastructure has been built since the 1970s. Schools in LA are among the worst in the nation. California’s large population is a downside because the place is overpopulated. Besides if you combined all the states from Virginia to Florida on the 95 corridor my guess is that area would be wealthier and more productive then California by far. With less of the downsides

 

[Aunt Antifa]

What happens when California finally bans gas cars? A new car today may average about 40k, how to poor people afford that? Especially when they can still get reliable used gas vehicles to drive much cheaper.

Banning gas cars assumes the vast majority of the population uses electric. And there is no reason whatsoever at that point that electric cars aren’t as cheap as gas.

Your made up hysteria needs a little work.

 

[RealityNow]

Considering California’s high wealth inequality, high childhood poverty, increasing crime, crumbling infrastructure, the idea the whole country will be California in 15 years is very frightening.

California can only function from the wealth of other places in America. California’s agriculture is largely luxury crops that waste water, which is becoming rarer because no new water infrastructure has been built since the 1970s. Schools in LA are among the worst in the nation. California’s large population is a downside because the place is overpopulated. Besides if you combined all the states from Virginia to Florida on the 95 corridor my guess is that area would be wealthier and more productive then California by far. With less of the downsides

The only point you make that has any value benefit is the fact they "must do something about water supply". I do however think California will lead in "Desalination Advances in the U.S. "...
As for Schools... we are about to move into a whole new format of how Schools function.... and this transition will be driven with appeal to the way young minds absorb at a faster rate than any generation ever to exist before them. California will lead, because there are too many with the stuck in the past mentality of Republicanism for many states to make the transition at the pace California can and will. The days of the "Daughter of The Confederacy Schools Books, are fast vanishing already from West Coast Education; People have long come to term with the white nationalist tonality and structure and those books were built upon. These young kids want to face truths, not white nationalism white wash of everything telling them only white men are to be the hero of history... The young already know its bullshit!
California can innovate and put into proactive many things, while other states struggle trying to get of Right Wing Oppositions.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

The only point you make that has any value benefit is the fact they "must do something about water supply". I do however think California will lead in "Desalination Advances in the U.S. "...
As for Schools... we are about to move into a whole new format of how Schools function.... and this transition will be driven with appeal to the way young minds absorb at a faster rate than any generation ever to exist before them. California will lead, because there are too many with the stuck in the past mentality of Republicanism for many states to make the transition at the pace California can and will. The days of the "Daughter of The Confederacy Schools Books, are fast vanishing already from West Coast Education; People have long come to term with the white nationalist tonality and structure and those books were built upon. These young kids want to face truths, not white nationalism white wash of everything telling them only white men are to be the hero of history... The young already know its bullshit!
California can innovate and put into proactive many things, while other states struggle trying to get of Right Wing Oppositions.

lol ok.

So you’re admitting what exactly? That California students will be taught to hate the rest of Americans while nothing is done to make sure they can functionally read or write? Lol how silly. California’s schools have been messed up for decades now and they’re about to turn the corner by teaching anti-white racism. Funny.

 

[Court Jester]

Banning gas cars assumes the vast majority of the population uses electric. And there is no reason whatsoever at that point that electric cars aren’t as cheap as gas.

Your made up hysteria needs a little work.

Electricity is more costly than fossil fuels. We finally got to a point in this country where here in North America we were no longer dependent on the politics of mid east oil companies, and the loony liberals want to throw that all away.

How far can you travel in an electric car before recharging is a huge problem too. I can fill up both tanks on my pick up and travel 2,000 miles without a stop. Electric cars can't come near that. Not everyone travels to Starbucks (which are every 10 feet in this country) or drives to a yoga class.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Electricity is more costly than fossil fuels. We finally got to a point in this country where here in North America we were no longer dependent on the politics of mid east oil companies, and the loony liberals want to throw that all away.

How far can you travel in an electric car before recharging is a huge problem too. I can fill up both tanks on my pick up and travel 2,000 miles without a stop. Electric cars can't come near that. Not everyone travels to Starbucks (which are every 10 feet in this country) or drives to a yoga class.

Plus California is shutting down energy production and not building more capacity and now there’s routine blackouts

 

[Court Jester]

Plus California is shutting down energy production and not building more capacity and now there’s routine blackouts

Bingo! Several cities are encouraging electric car owners to purchase emergency back up generators that run on gas and/or propane to charge their cars during blackouts. How insane is the state of California?

 

[Luce]

First off, I know that California is beautiful with mountains, ocean, deserts, forests, a great climate, and a lot of culture. So in many ways, it is a very attractive place to live. However, given the cost of living there, specifically housing costs, I am not sure what keeps middle and upper middle class households there.

Last year, for the first time in the state's history, it lost population. I suspect it is because once people saw they could work remotely, they decided to live and work from somewhere that was much cheaper to live and work from.

For example, let's say you bought this home 15 years ago for $495k, today you can get $900k for it and pocket $500k or more in equity.

744 Union St APT 6, San Francisco, CA 94133 | Zillow

744 Union St Apt 6, San Francisco CA, is a Apartment home.It contains 2 bedrooms and 1 bathroom. The Rent Zestimate for this Apartment is $3,495/mo, which has decreased by $639/mo in the last 30 days.

www.zillow.com

You could move to Saint Louis and buy this home for $229k, it's bigger, its in a hip neighborhood, and you would probably pocket $300k and have a house that was paid for, so what is keeping you in California? (you can find homes in similar price ranges in many cities all over the country)

1428 S 18th St, Saint Louis, MO 63104 | Zillow

1428 S 18th St, Saint Louis MO, is a Single Family home that contains 1368 sq ft and was built in 1906.It contains 2 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $313,400, which has decreased by $8,942 in the last 30 days.The Rent Zestimate for this Single Family is...

www.zillow.com

Is $300,000 really worth living in Missouri?

 

[Felis Leo]

Is $300,000 really worth living in Missouri?

 

[RealityNow]

lol ok.

So you’re admitting what exactly? That California students will be taught to hate the rest of Americans while nothing is done to make sure they can functionally read or write? Lol how silly. California’s schools have been messed up for decades now and they’re about to turn the corner by teaching anti-white racism. Funny.

I don't care about your want to deny history... you think "Hate"... young people think "Understand"

No one is going to kiss white people ass if that is what you expect, and certainly not behind what was done in history, but people also don't care to persecute the white people of today for what their ancestry did. People are simply saying: Don't carry on the system of white nationalism and don't expect the white priviledged of the past.

• Ignorant white people are the only ones who carry of the tradition of expecting white priviledged, and they live in fear of being exposed for it. Many still chasing the delusion that the wealthy white people will one day accept them, but they know they will never be seen as equals in the eyes of the wealthy white people, while they fear the more poor white will see right through them. These types live in fear going and coming, which is why they hoard guns and are obsessed with parading in the streets with their guns, trying to convince someone they are something they are not, while all that exist within is: they are filled with envy, resentment, disenchantment and contempt, because they know they are white and poor, and the wealthy want nothing to do with them, so they want someone to look down upon.
• Liberal minded white people who are educated and pursue being educated, "don't" want to carry on the system of white priviledged, they want to understand how something so vile came to be, so they don't repeat the mistakes of the past.

You've just demonstrated that you have no mentality to understand the difference. You are probably one of those who may have made a few dollars in the past and think it made you more than you are, and you are desperate to hang on to it, because your sense of self value it tied to it. Yet, it is not even enough to cover a major medical procedure that requires extended hospital stay. So, you likely hype yourself on the fiction of thinking its more than what it can actually do. It's quite likely that you are more brutal to poor whites than even the wealthy white are in their brutality to poor whites. Nothing you've written conveys anything different.

 

[Nickyjo]

We don't need to save the planet, the planet is fine. But prohibiting gas stoves, water heaters, and furnaces, means some working poor people will pay much more to heat things using electric, and so what about those folks? What about your no man is an island then when we are forcing higher and higher costs on poor? What happens when California finally bans gas cars? A new car today may average about 40k, how to poor people afford that? Especially when they can still get reliable used gas vehicles to drive much cheaper.
++ The planet is not fine, according to all the nations of the world. Even conservatives seem to accept that we should be doing something about climate. To the extent that we need to subsidize some in order to have them participate in a more green economy, fine. We subsidize oil plenty, why not wind and solar? We don’t have to send a fleet to stand ready to protect offshore windmills. When we added seat belts, kids car seats, anti-smog devices and smog inspections to the cost of owning a vehicle, it worked out. We can also support policies that might raise wages.
Fascism??? What the hell???
++ The fascism reference was to the notion that came through in your languages that some of us are more worthy than others.
I already said I have no problem with low income people, but they need to figure out how to live within their means. It's called a free market.
++ And most do. But just about all the societies in the world have organized some form of the welfare state

They may get inside the walls, but they need to earn that and pay their own way the same way I did and everyone else. What is the point of working to earn something for yourself if all the socialists do is give away what you earned? Go ahead and pay their way if it makes you feel better, nothing stopping you from giving up your home and you move into their tent is there? Where is that "no man is an island" now?

++ If businesses can get subsidies and special tax breaks from the socialists, if I could deduct the huge subsidy of mortgage interest, even on a second home, why not, say give poor people rental assistance? No need for me to grab a tent, but I do support those private parties and government entities that help folks in need, whether through Salvation Army, food stamps or FEMA or Medicare/Medicaid/ACA or building dams for farmers or the national guard showing up at floods and earthquakes, subsidized loans for catastrophe victims to rebuild, etc. All of this was settled generations ago. The debate now is over how much assistance, in what form, through what agency, etc. — not whether to offer it. Ayn Rand and her virtuous selfishness are long gone

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Bingo! Several cities are encouraging electric car owners to purchase emergency back up generators that run on gas and/or propane to charge their cars during blackouts. How insane is the state of California?

I see so many Burgeois liberals on Twitter mocking people who are waiting in line for gas because “I own a Tesla” I really hope the hackers hit the electric utilities next just to shut those pompous asses up.

 

[RealityNow]

Electricity is more costly than fossil fuels. We finally got to a point in this country where here in North America we were no longer dependent on the politics of mid east oil companies, and the loony liberals want to throw that all away.

How far can you travel in an electric car before recharging is a huge problem too. I can fill up both tanks on my pick up and travel 2,000 miles without a stop. Electric cars can't come near that. Not everyone travels to Starbucks (which are every 10 feet in this country) or drives to a yoga class.

keep fighting the future.... it'll keep overcoming you..

(Trains use to carry a load of coal and fill up the water tank for their steam engines, and that time came to pass. Years ago, no one wanted a 4 cylinder or a 6 cylinder engine, but today, that's standard issue in the average vehicles produced today, and many of them you can drive them thousands and thousands of mile without having to do anything to it, some of them are even faster than some older V8 engines of the past.)

Gas is not going any place within your lifetime, but the more electric vehicles come into play, you can be assured that gas will be more expense than electricity for a vehicle.

Here's an interesting thing, "Go buy a pair of ear buds" that connect Bluetooth to your phone, and look at what it can do, for the size it is and how long it can play, if that does not tell you how much and how advanced battery technology has come, and these things are small enough to fit in your ear.
I'm sure you remember the Boom-Boxes of the late 70's early 80's... where one had to drag along a box of cassette tapes, and now people can access more variety of music than they have time to listen to, and it weight is "0"!!! and they can use Ear Buds and hear all the music as loud as they want, without anyone else knowing what they are listening to.

Times and Things change.

 

[Court Jester]

++ If businesses can get subsidies and special tax breaks from the socialists, if I could deduct the huge subsidy of mortgage interest, even on a second home, why not, say give poor people rental assistance? No need for me to grab a tent, but I do support those private parties and government entities that help folks in need, whether through Salvation Army, food stamps or FEMA or Medicare/Medicaid/ACA or building dams for farmers or the national guard showing up at floods and earthquakes, subsidized loans for catastrophe victims to rebuild, etc. All of this was settled generations ago. The debate now is over how much assistance, in what form, through what agency, etc. — not whether to offer it. Ayn Rand and her virtuous selfishness are long gone

Businesses provide jobs and expand the tax base. People who live in tents are generally vagrant drug addicts who serve no benefit to society. If they are mentally ill then I feel sorry for them, but we need to put them in institutions. However drug addicts are nearly impossible to fix, so the best thing is to do is discourage them like we discourage rats and fleas.

 

[RealityNow]

I see so many Burgeois liberals on Twitter mocking people who are waiting in line for gas because “I own a Tesla” I really hope the hackers hit the electric utilities next just to shut those pompous asses up.

lol ok.

So you’re admitting what exactly? That California students will be taught to hate the rest of Americans while nothing is done to make sure they can functionally read or write? Lol how silly. California’s schools have been messed up for decades now and they’re about to turn the corner by teaching anti-white racism. Funny.

Just because white people taught anti black racism for 100's of you... you big fear is that someone is going to do to you what you have banked on doing to them.

Black, Brown and Other don't have time with any bullshit of trying to lose themselves in the ignorance of racism as white people did. You should have paid attention to the Civil Rights Marches, they were done based on "NON VIOLENCE", when the little racist white boy shot black people in the Church, black people did not go out an attack white people, they simply forgave him of his lost in ignorance savagery. You live with white fear, created because you would like to think others are as vile and malicious has the history has been of how white people treated others.

Again, if you'd paid attention, for 100's of years, the only thing black people have said to white people is: Respect The System of Democracy, Respect Person as Individual and Respect Equality among All.... It is white people who can't meet that measure of dignity and integrity. Instead they choose the self deluding madness of racism. After 100s of yrs racism has not gave them a damn thing other than an arrogant ego, delusion that drive them in the debt their vanity pushes them to bury themselves within, and bitching and acting an ass because they can't be first and get everything first and have a position to throw the scraps of what they don't want to others. They have spent their lives over generation with a delusion that the wealthy white man was going to give them something, and every few years all he does is take back from them what ever they thought they gained. then take away their means to earn more, and make the be dumb enough to agree to it.

Nope, black, brown people have no interest in trying to treat white people like white people's ancestry treated black and brown people. People are simply trying to live and work in a multicultural, multi-ethnic society and enjoy their lives and make a pathway for their offspring's.

I have not seen a white man or any other man with anything that I want to take from them... If I like something they have, then I know how to work to get it, if that is what I want to invest my resources gained from my effort to get. Ego, Haughtiness and Vanity based Fear makes a fool of those who build their life around such fears.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Imagine me contemplating a move back to North Texas, the land where Qanon conventions are welcomed with open arms.

City of Dallas offers QAnon crackpots special discounted conference rates​

The headquarters hotel for Roundup attendees is the city-owned Omni Dallas Hotel. It is welcoming QAnon just like any other convention. A large block of rooms has been reserved at special rates. As of day, if you mention your part of the God-and-Patriot Roundup, your deluxe room costs $149 per night. Try Expedia.com as just a regular guest and you'll pay $281.

 

[Pete]

First off, I know that California is beautiful with mountains, ocean, deserts, forests, a great climate, and a lot of culture. So in many ways, it is a very attractive place to live. However, given the cost of living there, specifically housing costs, I am not sure what keeps middle and upper middle class households there.

Last year, for the first time in the state's history, it lost population. I suspect it is because once people saw they could work remotely, they decided to live and work from somewhere that was much cheaper to live and work from.

For example, let's say you bought this home 15 years ago for $495k, today you can get $900k for it and pocket $500k or more in equity.

744 Union St APT 6, San Francisco, CA 94133 | Zillow

744 Union St Apt 6, San Francisco CA, is a Apartment home.It contains 2 bedrooms and 1 bathroom. The Rent Zestimate for this Apartment is $3,495/mo, which has decreased by $639/mo in the last 30 days.

www.zillow.com

You could move to Saint Louis and buy this home for $229k, it's bigger, its in a hip neighborhood, and you would probably pocket $300k and have a house that was paid for, so what is keeping you in California? (you can find homes in similar price ranges in many cities all over the country)

1428 S 18th St, Saint Louis, MO 63104 | Zillow

1428 S 18th St, Saint Louis MO, is a Single Family home that contains 1368 sq ft and was built in 1906.It contains 2 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $313,400, which has decreased by $8,942 in the last 30 days.The Rent Zestimate for this Single Family is...

www.zillow.com

I made very good money and own my home. I have been to other states and they suck.

 

[Nickyjo]

Businesses provide jobs and expand the tax base. People who live in tents are generally vagrant drug addicts who serve no benefit to society. If they are mentally ill then I feel sorry for them, but we need to put them in institutions. However drug addicts are nearly impossible to fix, so the best thing is to do is discourage them like we discourage rats and fleas.

Your work to repeal the social progress of the 20th century continues. But it might be more effective if you ditched the Goebbels-speak. Next you'll be calling them vermin.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Electricity is more costly than fossil fuels. We finally got to a point in this country where here in North America we were no longer dependent on the politics of mid east oil companies, and the loony liberals want to throw that all away.

How far can you travel in an electric car before recharging is a huge problem too. I can fill up both tanks on my pick up and travel 2,000 miles without a stop. Electric cars can't come near that. Not everyone travels to Starbucks (which are every 10 feet in this country) or drives to a yoga class.

Oh, we’re no longer talking about a point in the future? We are talking right now?

Your comment comes across even dumber. You’re of the opinion technology and society won’t change an inch. For you, maybe. You think driving a car to a yoga class is for fancy liberals.

 

[Eriech]

I am familiar with the area. I spent some of my childhood near Mena. Arkansas is gorgeous. And cheap.

But my retirement plan is Maine.

Winters are long here. Patriots welcome.

 

[Eriech]

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The only difference between the gentleman pictured is that his ancestors walked; mine came by ship.

 

[Court Jester]

Another California bashing thread, what a surprise.

I have zero desire to live anwhere near the Ozarks.

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Irony.

Decries people bashing Californians, then turns around and bashes people from the Ozarks/South.

 

[Court Jester]

Oh, we’re no longer talking about a point in the future? We are talking right now?

Your comment comes across even dumber. You’re of the opinion technology and society won’t change an inch. For you, maybe. You think driving a car to a yoga class is for fancy liberals.

Nothing wrong with advancements in technology, but you have to properly scale it and allow the free market a hand in it. We could get rid of all gas cars tomorrow, but China and India won't, so what has the enviroment gained? In rural China and India people are driving around in vehicles with two stroke engines. For you dim witted folks, that is like cars and trucks running on smokey chainsaw motors.

I don't own a gasoline vehicle that is newer than 13 years old, and the oldest vehicle I own is 24 years old. All in top notch running condition and looking almost like new. I've owned them long enough that they are making me money by not replacing them--- which gas or electric. To replace my four vehicles with new would cost about $175,000. Sure I could write a check for that, but can most people who are working and have kids in school? How do they fund this new vehicle technology purchase? They need to have good reliable used gasoline cars for a LONG time available to them.

Besides all of that, do have any idea about the enviromental impact caused by mining for the lithium used in car batteries? I'll bet you don't even have a clue about what is involved. So, in your rush to avoid air pollution, you have no problem with polluting ground water, rivers, and oceans from those mining operations.

 

[Court Jester]

Your work to repeal the social progress of the 20th century continues. But it might be more effective if you ditched the Goebbels-speak. Next you'll be calling them vermin.

Tell you what Mr Liberal. You people stop murdering fetuses and calling them less than human clumps of random cells, and then I'll stop referring to vagrant drug addicts as useless to society. Deal?

Because if we are on the subject of "Goebbels" then let's talk about the genocide of millions of innocent developing humans. I NEVER called for killing drug addict vagrants. I only suggested there is little we can do to help them, so no point in throwing money at the problem.

 

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Irony.

Decries people bashing Californians, then turns around and bashes people from the Ozarks/South.

"Irony"? Please elaborate.

Ozarks - Wikipedia

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