alphamale
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alphamale said:"Faith" means to hold something as true without proof. Why does God demand faith in Him? Why doesn't He just appear, do some incontrovertible miracles, proving He exists? Why the guessing game?
God is laughing at you... He sees all your tomorrows... Best you chill.talloulou said:Maybe it's that free will thing. If he appeared before you in all his glory you'd cower at his feet. Where's the fun in that? He wants you to have free will plus then if you're bad he can get his rocks off with all the punishment and damnation. 'Cause he's mean and hot tempered. Didn't you read the old testament?
Wanna make God laugh?...Apostle13 said:God is laughing at you... He sees all your tomorrows... Best you chill.
Thats too funny..:lol: And I thought I'd heard them all.cnredd said:Wanna make God laugh?...
Tell him your future plans...
Apostle13 said:Thats too funny..:lol: And I thought I'd heard them all.
talloulou said:Maybe it's that free will thing. If he appeared before you in all his glory you'd cower at his feet. Where's the fun in that? He wants you to have free will plus then if you're bad he can get his rocks off with all the punishment and damnation. 'Cause he's mean and hot tempered. Didn't you read the old testament?
Page one...Rev. said:Here's a little challange for you...tell me when the first time the word "hell" appears in the Bible. Bonus points if you can tell me what the writer meant by that word.
Korimyr the Rat said:The English word "Hell" was merely a Christian attempt to adapt the Germanic goddess Hel and the name of her realm.
Rev. said:And the Hebrews had their own concept of hell. So if people want to accuse God of threatening people with hell, we ought to have an understanding of what exactly the Hebrews thought he meant by that and when those first "threats" were being made...and when you find the reference, pay attention to what exactly was going to be consumed by it...
Blue Collar Joe said:You are referencing the land fill, Gehenna. Hell is not a place where souls are physically tormented. It is the common grave, where there is no thought, nor pain, nothing.
The best way to describe it would be a dreamless sleep. You simply cease to exist.
Blue Collar Joe said:Funny how you read these posts and can see who is actually wanting to ask a question and who would rather be insulting.
alphamale said:"Faith" means to hold something as true without proof. Why does God demand faith in Him? Why doesn't He just appear, do some incontrovertible miracles, proving He exists? Why the guessing game?
Rev. said:Here's a little challange for you...tell me when the first time the word "hell" appears in the Bible. Bonus points if you can tell me what the writer meant by that word.
Rev. said:He did.
2,000 years ago.
alphamale said:"Faith" means to hold something as true without proof. Why does God demand faith in Him? Why doesn't He just appear, do some incontrovertible miracles, proving He exists? Why the guessing game?
jallman said:He did for a time, but miracle after miracle didnt sway everyone. And I believe that God doesnt so much demand faith in him personally, as I believe God transcends personhood and image...but that He demands faith in the ideals he upholds. Really if you think about it, he is asking no more from us than what a truly patriotic person would give...or a person who truly believes in any concept. Uphold the faith and reflect it in your every day life and you will prosper...but that doesnt mean you have to spend every moment in reflection of that faith, otherwise you would have the time to truly live.
alphamale said:He'll sway me. And I thought that faith was a fundamental doctrine of the church.
"All who have faith in me will live, even if they die." (John 11.25)
Sure looks like He is demanding it.
jallman said:Faith is a fundamental doctrine of the church, but so is celibacy for priests. You cant confuse the doctrine of the church with the wishes of God. Granted, the church is majestic and a reflection of the glorious administration of heaven, but it is run by man here on earth and perfectly fallible.
God does demand faith in Him...but can you describe Him...can you quantify a being so powerful as to be able to light the sun and form the stars? I cant...I wont even try. But I do know He exists because the one true description in the Bible of God is a single word: Agape...love. And I believe in love...I believe in my fellow man...and I believe that the complexity of those feelings cannot be a chemical reaction, but must come from some endless divine source...and if I could ever follow the feeling to the source, I am sure that is where I will find God waiting.
alphamale said:No. I gave you a direct quote of Jesus as related by John.
alphamale said:Why does God expect faith from human beings, when He Himself must know that He appears to them mysterious, unfathomable, existing in their minds only in faith, etc etc etc?
jallman said:Why do you expect obedience from your children when you know that you appear powerful and big and mighty to them? Its because in some things you know best...and as your children grow, you let them have more insight into your reasoning. Its a maturation process meant to create an eternal bond. I see God as behaving no different.
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