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Query for the not-so-keen on guns...

Aunt Antifa said:
You would call professionals who can handle their shit to take care of those things. You would not mistake yourself for a firefighter if a fire broke out because you have those items. But you think a gun makes you an action hero.
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It can take less than 5 minutes to bleed out. You're going to just watch someone die, hoping paramedics arrive in time?

A gun will prevent me from becoming a victim.
 
Goshin said:
Very little response, I see. Probably because I was too polite and not nearly controversial enough. :)
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Long time no see.
I am life long shooter, used to be a hunter, right now have several hundred rounds of 12 ga and cases of skeet in my shop. A couple hundred rounds of 9mm, 357 and 3030. I have a range in my back yard marked out to 150 yds.
So needless to say I live very rural. I have security alarms and lights around the property. And two big dogs.
So, at home, my posture is different than at the grocery store. At home, I am at the ready, prepared to defend the home at a moments notice. At the Pig? Not so much. I quietly laugh at people who are in the check out line open carrying. Not because I think they live in fear, but because I just don't understand why. Why do you feel the need to carry in a grocery store? And if you carry there, then you likely carry everywhere. I'll be 65 in December. Not once, have I every needed a gun in a grocery store. Or Lowes, or Walmart. Breath mints, deodorant, air freshener, a muzzle for an out-of-control child, yes. A firearm, no. So out of thousands of events of tens of thousands of hours, I have never found it necessary to have a firearm in a store.
I am firm in the right of every citizen to own a firearm. I am not so sure they need to own an AR or similar with a 100 round magazine, but that is a different subject.
Oh, and to be honest, at 17 I had to fire a couple of 357 rounds from a blackhawk to run a couple of guys off who were trying to break into our granny unit where a school teacher was staying. Freakin' amazing how loud that is at night. Flames were cool too.
 
apdst said:
It can take less than 5 minutes to bleed out. You're going to just watch someone die, hoping paramedics arrive in time?

A gun will prevent me from becoming a victim.
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That’s nice.
 
Cameron said:
I'm not sure I've ever had the conversation you are referring to. But here's a counter-hypothetical that I think may be on topic: Say you are a gun carrier at a bar, and you see someone harassing a waitress. You also see that this person, too, is carrying a gun. Are you more or less likely to tell him to stop than if he weren't carrying a gun? If you do ask him to stop, are you more or less likely to have your finger on the proverbial (if not literal) trigger as you do so?

If you are less likely to interfere because the man has a gun, that IMO is socially problematic.

Conversely, if you are just as likely to interfere, but more likely to prepare yourself for a shoot-out, that is also socially problematic. This other guy is also probably likely to be on edge when a guy with a gun comes up to confront him. The presence of guns escalates the situation, and raises the risk of misunderstandings and injury.

You see this in how many instances there are of police shooting unarmed suspects. The "fear" that these suspects may be criminals who have a gun on them leads police to err on the side of their own safety. (I fervently believe that guns, not racism, are the cause of most of the big police incidents in the news).

The proliferation of guns in ordinary society literally creates an arms race, which either harmfully disincentives or harmfully encourages conflict. There is no in between.
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You counter hypothetical is not valid since it's illegal in most states to possess a gun if you are intoxicated, or to carry a gun into a place that serves alcohol. You see we already have some laws that regulate where you can or cannot carry. But on it's merit it would make sense not to approach a agitated person who is in possession of a gun. Instead call 911 and get the cops to come out.
 
I should know better than to try to have a civil discussion on DP. It's like trying to have a civilized picnic with rabid howler monkeys.
 
Goshin said:
I should know better than to try to have a civil discussion on DP. It's like trying to have a civilized picnic with rabid howler monkeys.
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You need to realize that carrying a firearm on a daily basis is rare, so you have to do a better job of explaining why you need to?

STUDY: 3 MILLION AMERICANS CARRY LOADED HANDGUNS DAILY

UW Epi News
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Thursday, October 19, 2017

Most are male, and cite protection as primary reason; 'significant' public health implications, researchers say.

An estimated 3 million adult American handgun owners carry a firearm loaded and on their person on a daily basis, and 9 million do so on a monthly basis, new research indicates. The vast majority cited protection as their primary reason for carrying a firearm.
Researchers from the University of Washington School of Public Health, the University of Colorado, the Harvard School of Public Health, and Northeastern University produced the study, published October 19 in the American Journal of Public Health.

It is the first research in more than 20 years to scrutinize why, how often, and in what manner U.S. adults carry loaded handguns. It also examines how concealed handgun-carrying behavior differs across states, depending on their laws.

“Carrying firearms in public places can have significant implications for public health and public safety,” said lead author Dr. Ali Rowhani-Rahbar, an associate professor of epidemiology at the UW School of Public Health. “An important first step to examining the consequences of firearm carrying at the national level is an accurate measurement of the occurrence of this behavior and characterization of those who engage in it.”

Compared with handgun owners who did not carry, those who did report carrying handguns tended to be younger, and more often male, live in the southern United States, have grown up in firearm-owning households, self-identify as politically conservative, and own more than one type of firearm.
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https://epi.washington.edu/news/3-million-americans-carry-loaded-handguns-daily
 
trblmkr said:
Long time no see.
I am life long shooter, used to be a hunter, right now have several hundred rounds of 12 ga and cases of skeet in my shop. A couple hundred rounds of 9mm, 357 and 3030. I have a range in my back yard marked out to 150 yds.
So needless to say I live very rural. I have security alarms and lights around the property. And two big dogs.
So, at home, my posture is different than at the grocery store. At home, I am at the ready, prepared to defend the home at a moments notice. At the Pig? Not so much. I quietly laugh at people who are in the check out line open carrying. Not because I think they live in fear, but because I just don't understand why. Why do you feel the need to carry in a grocery store? And if you carry there, then you likely carry everywhere. I'll be 65 in December. Not once, have I every needed a gun in a grocery store. Or Lowes, or Walmart. Breath mints, deodorant, air freshener, a muzzle for an out-of-control child, yes. A firearm, no. So out of thousands of events of tens of thousands of hours, I have never found it necessary to have a firearm in a store.
I am firm in the right of every citizen to own a firearm. I am not so sure they need to own an AR or similar with a 100 round magazine, but that is a different subject.
Oh, and to be honest, at 17 I had to fire a couple of 357 rounds from a blackhawk to run a couple of guys off who were trying to break into our granny unit where a school teacher was staying. Freakin' amazing how loud that is at night. Flames were cool too.
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I agree with your post in every way.

BTW: The first time I fired a .357 at night I was surprised by the flames.
 
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noonereal said:
OMG, really? You know damned well if I got the drop on you it's over. Good grief. Is there an honest Trump supporter in the country?
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There are instances posted on this forum all the time where it isn't over just because someone "gets the drop" on their intended victim. Trump doesn't even enter into it.
 
rickc said:
I have had a pistol toters license since I was 18 years old. I am 65 now. I have always had guns close by. Never in all those years have I ever felt the need for a gun. Been in a few fistfight and been in some pretty rough places but never even thought about pulling a gun.

I don't carry. Never have found a truly comfortable way. But I usually have a gun close by.

I will tell you why. I don't want to stand by helplessly while some scum hurts a loved one. Flat tire on the highway, wife and grandkids in the car, carload of bad azzes stop for some easy pickings. They might be surprised. Many such scenarios. I will never stand by defenseless while someone hurts someone I care about.

Totally irresponsible for a man not to be able to protect his family!
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I've thought about carrying but don't on a daily basis, probably for much the same reason as yourself. Keeping one close by is cheap insurance IMO though. At home. In the boat. In our camper as an extension of home. Lately I've taken up long distance motorcycle/trike touring. A gun goes along. Like I said, cheap insurance in the event of a horrific situation I hope never happens.
 
Irredentist said:
Cars, airplanes, and pharmaceuticals didn't actually exist at the time the bill of rights was written, otherwise they might have constitutional protections.
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Clearly you need to brush up on history and understand why the bill of rights was added to the constitution.

Irredentist said:
Regardless, the supreme court has mostly upheld the right of states to regulate gun sales. I imagine further restrictions are only a matter of time.
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Nah, we aren't following any more restrictions. If cities allow hordes to loot and burn, not going to listen to any of the restrictions on our natural rights.
 
noonereal said:
odds are less than 1% and you know it.... yeah, there are some situations where a guy is sloppy or high and you MIGHT be able to start shooting at each other but anyone keen of mind decides to victimize you, your gun will only make a bad situation worse, like I said.
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noonereal said:
odds are less than 1% and you know it.... yeah, there are some situations where a guy is sloppy or high and you MIGHT be able to start shooting at each other but anyone keen of mind decides to victimize you, your gun will only make a bad situation worse, like I said.
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Just reading Bums postings on defensive shootings there are a lot of one percents out there. And that is just the ones he puts up.
 
apdst said:
You probably won't get the drop on me. That brings us back to that situational awareness thing.
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I think if he were to get the drop it would be because of a heightened state of fear on his part to get anyone carrying or not.
 
BahamaBob said:
The point is, some neighborhoods are safe some aren't. If you live in a gang filled neighborhood, you are much more likely to be a victim. Especially someone of your age.
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Hi!

This will, in all probability, be my final response to you on this particular thread.

With reference to your most recent post, what you have stated is something that we both know and both agree to. It has no bearing upon my personal sense of safety nor on my interest in going about armed with a gun. It does nothing to advance the discussion.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.
 
zsu2357 said:
Just reading Bums postings on defensive shootings there are a lot of one percents out there. And that is just the ones he puts up.
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yeah... a lot


God Bless you people.
 
RF667799 said:
There are instances posted on this forum all the time where it isn't over just because someone "gets the drop" on their intended victim. Trump doesn't even enter into it.
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yep, just like we see stories about being struck by lightening.
 
noonereal said:
yep, just like we see stories about being struck by lightening.
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I pay attention to the weather and head for the dock if a thunderstorm blows in while I'm fishing. Even though the chance of getting struck is low.
 
RF667799 said:
I pay attention to the weather and head for the dock if a thunderstorm blows in while I'm fishing. Even though the chance of getting struck is low.
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lol, well, good for you

what on earth does this have to do with thread?
 
RF667799 said:
You brought up the comparison. Now it is irrelevant?
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you used it in a complete different context... it's not logical

you are saying that when you see signs of lightning you prepare but if i am going to victimize you, there are no signs that allow you to protect yourself

see how ridiculous your post was?
 
RF667799 said:
I pay attention to the weather and head for the dock if a thunderstorm blows in while I'm fishing. Even though the chance of getting struck is low.
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Yeah but that's not the same as adding a deadly weapon to the equation. When you carry you are bringing a deadly weapon to every social or business encounter you have during the day. Taking shelter during a storm isn't the same, obviously. Having a fire extinguisher in your car isn't the same thing. Those are very different precautions.
 
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