QAnon Star Who Said Only ‘Idiots’ Get Vax Dies of COVID (1 Viewer)

[tres borrachos]

QAnon Star Who Said Only ‘Idiots’ Get Vax Dies of COVID

She can't mislead and hurt Americans anymore.

Well, she would definitely know "idiots".

 

[JasperL]

Well, she would definitely know "idiots".

Yep, the irony of one statement quoted in the Daily Beast is meter shattering....

QAnon Star Who Said Only ‘Idiots’ Get Vax Dies of COVID

Cirsten Weldon told her fans not to get vaccinated and wanted Dr. Anthony Fauci executed. She just died of COVID.

www.thedailybeast.com

“The vaccines kill, don’t get it!” Weldon warned the waiting vaccine recipients in an undated video posted to one of her online accounts. “This is how gullible these idiots are. They’re all getting vaccine!”

 

[tres borrachos]

Yep, the irony of one statement quoted in the Daily Beast is meter shattering....

QAnon Star Who Said Only ‘Idiots’ Get Vax Dies of COVID

Cirsten Weldon told her fans not to get vaccinated and wanted Dr. Anthony Fauci executed. She just died of COVID.

www.thedailybeast.com

“The vaccines kill, don’t get it!” Weldon warned the waiting vaccine recipients in an undated video posted to one of her online accounts. “This is how gullible these idiots are. They’re all getting vaccine!”

Irony is real.

I am only sorry for her family. Not for her.

 

[snakestretcher]

Thats ignorant. The sanctimonious vaccinated can get and spread the virus too. Or didnt you know that somehow? And drunks kill thousands on the roads each year. Or didnt you know that either. Drunks and drug users impact not just their families but the entire nation. Lemme guess, you didnt know that either. What is it you do know beyond your hatred for people you disagree with politically?

Have drunks killed over 800,000 people in America, or over five million globally in little more than a year? Do let me know when I might catch alcoholism from a drunk.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Hate to say it but there's at LEAST eight members right here who insist that the vaccines will kill you, starting with @Monica33

 

[Grand Mal]

QAnon Star Who Said Only ‘Idiots’ Get Vax Dies of COVID

She can't mislead and hurt Americans anymore.

Dar-Win! Dar-Win! Dar-Win!

 

[Schism]

The Chinese have created the perfect rubber boomarang.

Well, if it’s not perfect, I’m sure they’ll keep tweaking it with Fauci’s help.

 

[Fledermaus]

The Chinese have created the perfect rubber boomarang.

Well, if it’s not perfect, I’m sure they’ll keep tweaking it with Fauci’s help.

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[RAMOSS]

Study: Natural immunity 'stronger, longer' than vaccine immunity

New Israeli study shows recovered patients tended to have better outcomes than vaccine alone - though vaccine can enhance natural immunity.

www.israelnationalnews.com

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Researchers found that natural immunity is stronger and longer-lasting than vaccination, but also noted that a single-dose of vaccine likely can offer additional protection from the Delta Variant to those who recovered from SARS-CoV-2.

For the study, researchers analyzed anonymized Electronic Health Records, a database which covers records for 2.5 million people in Israeli, spanning March 1st 2020 to August 14th 2021.
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COVID-19 vaccines are a much safer way of acquiring immunity than infection, which requires exposing the person to risks from the disease

The spread of the Delta variant has caused new COVID-19 surges in many countries, including Israel. Data from Israel indicates that the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine has a lower effectiveness (64%) against infection and symptomatic illness with this variant, but the vaccine remains highly...

healthfeedback.org

 

[code1211]

Agreed... Cirsten Weldon now has perfect immunity from COVID... The "natural immunity" argument ASSUMES you survived COVID....

Well, she very likely can't get more dead.

I'll wait for Fauci's pronouncement on this before I raise my opinion to a level of certainty.

I'll give him three or four chances to see if he feels more strongly about one of his opinions than others.

 

[code1211]

Not this time. I hope they put billboards up all over her hometown with the caption - "Don't end up like this evil idiot!".

Justice.

Should they do the same for Colin Powell?

 

[code1211]

It's not dancing. It's relief. We're all relieved the person is dead and we all know the world is a better place for it. You need to stop idolizing terrorists.

Your lack of knowledge on this is awe inspiring.

You are a victim of propaganda.

There are literally millions of vaccinated people contracting Covid.

Are you seriously unaware of this?

 

[BlueTex]

Should they do the same for Colin Powell?

Colin Powell is just another victim of the stupidity of the anti-vax crowd....

 

[Fledermaus]

Should they do the same for Colin Powell?

Did Colin Powell spout antivaxxer ignorance and avoid the vaccine?

 

[code1211]

The conclusion of that argument is that getting vaccinated before getting infected is the superior way to go. Since vaccination reduces the severity of the symptoms, then if/when you get infected after you’re vaccinated, you’ll have superior protection.

Ergo, get vaccinated.

I agree that getting vaccinated is the way to go.

However, I have never contracted Covid- at least I don't think I have.

The Israeli study, though, indicates that previous infection alone provides superior protection when compared to vaccination alone.

Why is this apparent fact hidden and protected like a state secret in the US?

Additionally, why has the very obvious correlation between co-morbidities not been statistically sorted to show the numbers of those who died WITH covid as opposed to those who died OF covid? It's in the neighborhood of 94%

Word has leaked out that the elderly are the most threatened demo (88%) accompanied closely by those with underlying conditions and then followed closely by those who are overweight (70%).

The effort to close schools for the 2020 school year was in defiance of THE SCIENCE which told us that school age kids were not a highly threatened demographically identifiable group.

Here in the Indianapolis area, kids in K-12 are considered to be threatened by Covid, but adults are apparently considered to be free of the threat as they gather in Lucas Oil Stadium to watch a football game.

All of these display stupidity, insanity or methodical deception.

 

[Cardinal]

I agree that getting vaccinated is the way to go.

However, I have never contracted Covid- at least I don't think i have.

The Israeli study, though, indicates that the previous infection alone provides superior protection when compared to the vaccine alone.

Why is this a state secret in the US?

Well let’s say it’s true: previous infection alone provides superior protection to vaccine alone. But…what is the actual the utility of that statement? And the fact is there isn’t any. No good comes of it. By letting the public digest that statement, the public believes vaccines aren’t important, infections with severe symptoms go way resulting in overwhelming hospitals, like you’re seeing now.

But if you stress vaccination, then vaccination prevents serious symptoms therefore drastically lowering hospital admissions, hospitals aren’t overwhelmed, maybe you catch covid anyway, and then you have superior protection in the end.

But simply saying “previous infection alone is better than vaccine alone” doesn’t provide any beneficial purpose.

 

[code1211]

When the person urged others not to get vaccinated, then dies of COVID, it's a public service to "dance on their graves."

I have some sympathy for those deceived by malevolent morons like this lady, but zero, none, nada, nothing for people like her.

Even the Ancient Romans said, "Of the dead, say nothing but good". Of course, they said in Latin which, like the Ancient Romans, is dead.

So, there's that...

 

[code1211]

So, what should we learn? Get infected, risk death like the moron in the OP, so we'll then be protected against infection? Is that what the "propagandists" in the U.S. should urge?

Seems like a better strategy, and one that anyone with any understanding of the purpose of vaccines, would be to urge the public to get vaccinated, and dramatically reduce the chances of death or serious illness that comes with acquiring 'natural immunity' from infection.

Urging the public and mandating the individuals to do a thing that is "iffy" are two very different things. Employing all of the mitigation measures, cases, hospitalizations and deaths all persist or rise.

Informing the public and hiding actual, real world, usable and useful information are two very different things.

WHY do you suppose that the government of the US is hiding the FACT that immunity occurring naturally AFTER infection is better than the vaccine? Seems oddly counter to being a useful course.

There is a campaign of control and division from the government that seems to be disconnected with the threat posed by the virus and much of it is being conducted contrary to our laws.

This includes the withholding of useful information and the constriction of helpful drug distribution. The drive seems to be to use a "vaccine only" approach to the problems we need to address.

WHY? Why not use every available approach to defeat the common enemy with publication of the success of all mitigation measures instead of an approach that divides and embitters the public for what appears to be only political gain?

 

[code1211]

So what? Colin Powell was being treated for cancer and his immune system wrecked from that. We also know the vaccine isn't 100% effective. Why are you pointing out that the vaccine is not 100% effective? This is not news to anyone. Literally 100s of thousands unvaccinated and not boosted have died from COVID.

Well, true enough, but that broadly describes "almost all" adults in this country. And if I go up to an old, fat sick person and shoot them in the head, did they die of gunshot, or do you not care because they were old, fat and sick? I'm just curious what the action step is from this observation. No longer care about the old, fat and sick?

Again, so what? Viruses of the past are not COVID. We don't know, yet, what COVID will do.

Claim credit for what? Vaccines that dramatically lowered the risk of serious disease and death and saved at least 100s of thousands of lives, many more serious cases and hospitalizations? Why shouldn't the vaccine promoters take credit for that?

And if COVID goes away, I'm sure somebody will continue to demand that people wear masks. There are hundreds of millions in this country, so somebody will do just about anything you can imagine.

Funny that you should mention classifying gunshot victims as covid fatalities.

Grand County Coroner Raises Concern On Deaths Among COVID Cases

The Grand County coroner is calling attention to the way the state health department is classifying some deaths.

denver.cbslocal.com

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GRAND COUNTY, Colo. (CBS4) – The Grand County coroner is calling attention to the way the state health department is classifying some deaths. The coroner, Brenda Bock, says two of their five deaths related to COVID-19 were people who died of gunshot wounds.
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The simple FACTS of the matter are these:

Covid in the US has killed >860 Thousand folks.

88% have been age 60 or older (this is down from the pre-vaccine level of 92+%)
94% have had underlying conditions
70% have been overweight.

Remove all of these folks from the grizzly total and the remaining fatalities are 1,857 plus a fraction.

I'm not sure that a gun shot wound is classed by our apparently demented classification system as a co-morbidity or not.

People who die of Covid are just as dead regardless of vaccination status and the current skyrocketing rate of infection is infecting both the vaccinated and the UNvaccinated.

The virus seems to be less concerned with the classifications that consumes you than you seem to be.

Interestingly, cases here in Indiana are at the all time peak right now while deaths are falling off. The rise in cases and the drop in the death rate started on almost the same day.

Indiana COVID-19 Home Dashboard

www.coronavirus.in.gov

 

[code1211]

Uh that’s cool dude but what does
It have to with Cirsten Weldon or my post? I think you replied to the wrong person or in the wrong thread. Please recheck.

The dots to connect is this:

If a person has been previously infected, but is not vaccinated, that person has a higher degree of immunity than do the vaccinated.

Vaccination is one variant in this consideration, but not the only consideration.

 

[code1211]

This study?

Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections

Background Reports of waning vaccine-induced immunity against COVID-19 have begun to surface. With that, the comparable long-term protection conferred by previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 remains unclear. Methods We conducted a retrospective observational study comparing three groups...

www.medrxiv.org

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Exactly. Real world outcomes observed using the compiled empirical data.

What's real is real.

 

[BlueTex]

Exactly. Real world outcomes observed using the compiled empirical data.

What's real is real.

LOL... Sure, sure... Let us know when the peer review is finished...

 

[Juks]

Dancing on the grave of anyone seems to be bad form.

In one way I agree with you, but she has used her social media to convince others not vaccinate and hence might have "killed" several people herself so….

Then again, I don't believe in death penalty, (not even for murderers) and I conclude that she probably was mentally ill. so... It is sad and no one should be dancing on her grave, but you folks need to get your act together and start helping people like her instead of encouraging her and others like her in their delusions.

 

[code1211]

COVID-19 vaccines are a much safer way of acquiring immunity than infection, which requires exposing the person to risks from the disease

The spread of the Delta variant has caused new COVID-19 surges in many countries, including Israel. Data from Israel indicates that the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine has a lower effectiveness (64%) against infection and symptomatic illness with this variant, but the vaccine remains highly...

healthfeedback.org

I would assume that to be the case.

However, I could be wrong. 62 Million + Americans have been infected with Covid. I assume that not all were vaccinated. Only about 861 THOUSAND have died. In passing, about 1.4% of the infected. 0.3% of the population.

That means that about 62 million Americans have been infected with Covid AND survived. We are TOLD that if we are vaccinated our chances of contracting the virus and having serious consequences are decreased.

Can we therefore ASSUME that most of the 62 Million + Americans were NOT Vaccinated? Seems reasonable. We are told that this is now a pandemic of the UNVACCINATED.

If WHAT WE ARE TOLD is the case, then we can also assume that this 62 Million or so virus victims, EVEN IF they were not vaccinated, have a higher level of immunity than do those who have only been vaccinated.

If they were vaccinated, we are told, the chances that they contracted the virus are very, very low.

If only half of the victims were not vaccinated, 31 Million, then 277 Million Americans have immunity. Many others are children, about 23%, about 75 Million, and virtually naturally immune.

277 M + 75 M = 352 M. The total population of the US is only about 330 million.

I'm just doing the math using the data provided by the government in light of what the government is telling us daily.

 

[RAMOSS]

I would assume that to be the case.

However, I could be wrong. 62 Million + Americans have been infected with Covid. I assume that not all were vaccinated. Only about 861 THOUSAND have died. In passing, about 1.4% of the infected. 0.3% of the population.

That means that about 62 million Americans have been infected with Covid AND survived. We are TOLD that if we are vaccinated our chances of contracting the virus and having serious consequences are decreased.

Can we therefore ASSUME that most of the 62 Million + Americans were NOT Vaccinated? Seems reasonable. We are told that this is now a pandemic of the UNVACCINATED.

If WHAT WE ARE TOLD is the case, then we can also assume that this 62 Million or so virus victims, EVEN IF they were not vaccinated, have a higher level of immunity than do those who have only been vaccinated.

If they were vaccinated, we are told, the chances that they contracted the virus are very, very low.

If only half of the victims were not vaccinated, 31 Million, then 277 Million Americans have immunity. Many others are children, about 23%, about 75 Million, and virtually naturally immune.

277 M + 75 M = 352 M. The total population of the US is only about 330 million.

I'm just doing the math using the data provided by the government in light of what the government is telling us daily.

Well, let's pay a numbers game. 62 million is 1/5 of the u.s. population. IF the rate of death was the same (it won't be because of the vaccines) that means 4M excess deaths will be recorded. THat's a lot of people.

What will stop that is 1) Currently , the prevalent version of covid is milder, and won't cause as much death. and 2) we have better therapeutics and the vaccines).

Of course, that is not taking into account the long haul effects of covid, which can be very bad. Plus, with the omicron varient, reinfection is much higher than before. and no, childrn are not naturally immune to the omnicron. That information is obsolete with the new varient.