Ron Mars
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What about Sudan? Who I think atrocities and deaths eclipses many of the others you mentioned.
Darfur did not call for a intervention and war. Why should Libya?
What makes Libya so special to get the world's attention but Darfur was ignored?
Its very interesting to see some of the most spineless chicken ****s on the planet that post on this site suddenly calling for someone ELSE (not THEM mind you...they would never lower themselves to actually back their words and go do the job themselves) to go to war over a brutal dictator that is killing his people. The same people that would and have called Bush a war criminal for removing the same kind of sadistic asshole. I guess that little party letter behind the presidents name means everything...
We would have to go up against the Chinese Army and the Muslim militias that are committing the genocide, if we intervened in Sudan. I don't think anyone is ready to open that can of worms.
You ready for U.S. forces to go into Sudan and start hosing down Muslims with heavy weapons fire? Be honest.
I'm getting really fed up with all this "talk" from the Western Powers, do something or don't but I'm tired of all this ****ing "talk".
Jesus, I can talk too... but I don't have a goddamned aircraft carrier at my disposal....
Still, a no-fly zone and plenty of humanitarian aid is a good start. One we've neglected too long. It's time for the U.S. to take unilateral action. Others will fall in line. Who could possibly criticize our decision to intervene in this manner? To wait any longer would be a travesty.
I have this vision in my head of the rebels desperately hoping that their deaths are drawing attention and support from the rest of the world. We've simply got to act before the run out of warm bodies.
Why is intervention seemingly so necessary. I mean we will lose good people for a middle eastern country that will just keep spiraling out of control anyway. I mean it would be a waste of time and resources that we could use elsewhere.
Saddam killed 5000 of his own people with WMD's, raped and tortured countless others, and we couldn't even get the liberal left on board to go intervene.
Never underestimate how truly worthless some people are when it comes to stopping a madman. Ron, that was the days before the modern day liberal party, a worthless, cowardly, spineless party that stands for nothing and falls for anything.
1930's Europe suddenly comes to mind.
But 0bama is sending a delegation to Europe to having meetings!! He's talking about doing something!!
This strong leadership from 0bama amounts to nothing less than another Nobel Peace Prize winning performance from the leader of the free world.
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1930's Europe suddenly comes to mind.
Why is intervention seemingly so necessary. I mean we will lose good people for a middle eastern country that will just keep spiraling out of control anyway. I mean it would be a waste of time and resources that we could use elsewhere.
Yeah yeah we get it you dislike liberals and don't think they can defend the US, what else is new
That's a respectable opinion but in this case military intervention is the right choice. Military intervention is never an easy decision to make and it shouldn’t be. The people of Libya are fighting tanks, artillery and fighter/bombers with AK's and a few AAA guns. They need help. Now.
We don't necessarily have to send in ground troops but it may, as others have pointed out, be necessary to send in small units to designate targets.
Striking Libyan military bases, especially those being used as offensive staging points and their air assets, would at least severely limit Qaddafi's ability to slaughter his own people.
Nothing new. Most liberals still don't understand what it takes to achieve peace and freedom in this world and they sure as hell have no intention to find out.
Why does everything have to be WW2 with you?
folks.... this is where we should say "screw national sovereignty", and just go ahead and intervene. and no, a no-fly zone doesn't cut it.
TRIPOLI, Libya — Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s militia stormed the rebels controlling the town of Zawiyah on Saturday morning in what two residents described as a “massacre.”
“I am watching neighbors dying unarmed in front of their homes,” one resident said in a telephone interview, with the sounds of heavy weapons and machine-gun fire in the background. The resident said the militias were using tanks and heavy artillery, attacking from both the east and west gates of the town. “I don’t know how many are being killed, but I know my neighborhood is being killed,” the resident said...
The assault followed a day of brazen counterattacks by Colonel Qaddafi’s militia, which battled rebel forces on two fronts on Friday, firing on unarmed protesters in front of international news media and leaving the rebels seeking his ouster in disarray.
The militia’s actions seemed likely to stir renewed debate over international intervention to limit Colonel Qaddafi’s use of military power against his own citizens, possibly by imposing a no-flight zone.
The latest siege of Zawiyah began on Friday, when the elite Khamis Brigade, a militia named for the Qaddafi son who commands it, surrounded the town and opened fire with mortars, machine guns and other heavy weapons, witnesses said, in two separate skirmishes...
There are alternatives to military intervention and even "no fly" zones. For example, the U.S. could covertly provide the anti-Gadhafi forces with a limited arsenal of anti-aircraft missiles to take out Gadhafi's fighter jets and his helicopters. Once the regime starts losing those military assets, its conduct on the battlefield would shift and the anti-Gadhafi forces' military prospects with respect to capturing the rest of Libya would be enhanced.
How about South Korea? Will that work as an acceptable example?
So since you're a conservative and apperently do have the know how.
Please explain how YOU would achieve peace and freedom in this world? I'm curious since it's one of my ambitions.
I'm sick of us having to zoom to everyone's 'rescue' after they start and continue their own bull****.
I'm sick and tired of the international 'hatred of Americans' - especially from the Middle East.
there are dozens of countries closer to them, being affected more directly, who have the capabilities to intervene - why not expect them to do this?
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