Putin threatens with nuclear weapons

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A defeat or prolonged war is not in his world of performance so the question is, if the Ukraine withstand the assault, will he then also use nuclear weapons to make a quick completion of the invasion and will the Russian military let him do so or will he be removed from within?

Use of nukes against a non-nuclear country would have one of two results.

Either the entire world would slam Russia with massive sanctions (and military aid to Ukraine would see a huge increase), or the NPT would dissolve and countries all around the world would develop nuclear weapons.

I think it would be the former.

the land will be unlivable and unusable for decades.

Presumably it would be an airburst so fallout would be less of a problem.

 

[Monica33]

How cowardly are you Americans ?
There will be no nukes from Moscow .
Putin is a very smart man aided by a bunch of even smarter AI computers .

The only Nuke danger comes from a bunch of Neocon maniacs headed by a senile old fool who wets his pants literally in front of people .

 

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All brought on by the US as usual.

The US is not responsible for Russian aggression.

This could have easily been avoided if Biden Admin/NATO had simply acknowledged Russia’s legitimate security concerns regarding Ukraine’s becoming a member of NATO, which would mean US/NATO forces right on Russia’s border--- Tulse Gabbard . A smart woman .

Like giving Czechoslovakia to Germany prevented the onset of WWII??

Russia's security concerns are not even remotely legitimate.

 

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This is the first time in my life that I have heard anyone, leader or civilian, talking about nukes as if they were an actual option. Just acknowledging that horror is a bridge too far.

Actually the Obama Administration developed a new model of tactical nuke that has such high accuracy that they can score direct hits on Russian troops and be able to take them out with low yields for minimal collateral damage.

They are the first "usable nukes" that will be truly usable:

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B61-12: First Pictures Show New Military Capability - Federation of American Scientists

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B61-12 Nuclear Bomb Design Features - Federation of American Scientists

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General Cartwright Confirms B61-12 Bomb “Could Be More Useable” - Federation of American Scientists

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The first of the new bombs came off the assembly line a few months ago:

NNSA Completes First Production Unit of B61-12 Life Extension Program

Warhead modernization activities ensure the U.S. nuclear weapons stockpile continues to meet military requirements while enhancing safety and security.

www.energy.gov

 

[RetiredUSN]

OP is hysterical nonsense .


All brought on by the US as usual.

This could have easily been avoided if Biden Admin/NATO had simply acknowledged Russia’s legitimate security concerns regarding Ukraine’s becoming a member of NATO, which would mean US/NATO forces right on Russia’s border--- Tulse Gabbard . A smart woman .

Brought on by the US?

How many other countries are in NATO?

 

[Monica33]

Brought on by the US?

How many other countries are in NATO?

This club for big girls cannot support any country that is not a school member .

And they want gas later .

Another US botched situation .

'Mummy ,mummy the big man hit me on the chin . I only upset him 58 times .'

 

[Juks]

Actually the Obama Administration developed a new model of tactical nuke that has such high accuracy that they can score direct hits on Russian troops and be able to take them out with low yields for minimal collateral damage.

They are the first "usable nukes" that will be truly usable:

B61-12 Nuclear Bomb Triggers Debate in the Netherlands - Federation of American Scientists

By Hans M. Kristensen The issue of the improved military capabilities of the new B61-12 nuclear bomb entered the Dutch debate today with a news story on KRO Brandpunt (video here) describing NATO’s approval in 2010 of the military characteristics of the weapon. Dutch approval to introduce the...

fas.org

Capabilities of B61-12 Nuclear Bomb Increase Further - Federation of American Scientists

By Hans M. Kristensen With every official statement about the B61 nuclear bomb life-extension program, the capabilities of the new version (B61-12) appear to be increasing. Previously, officials from the DOD, STRATCOM, and NNSA said the program is a consolidation of the B61-3, B61-4, B61-7, and...

fas.org

General Confirms Enhanced Targeting Capabilities of B61-12 Nuclear Bomb - Federation of American Scientists

By Hans M. Kristensen The former U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff, General Norton Schwartz, confirmed last week that the B61-12 nuclear bomb planned by the Obama administration will have improved military capabilities to attack targets with greater accuracy and less radioactive fallout. The...

fas.org

B61-12: First Pictures Show New Military Capability - Federation of American Scientists

By Hans M. Kristensen The U.S. government has published the first images of the Air Force’s new B61-12 nuclear bomb. The images for the first time show the new guided tail kit that will provide new military capabilities in violation of the Nuclear Posture Review. The tail kit will increase the...

fas.org

B61-12 Nuclear Bomb Integration On NATO Aircraft To Start In 2015 - Federation of American Scientists

By Hans M. Kristensen The US Air Force budget request for Fiscal Year 2015 shows that integration of the B61-12 on NATO F-16 and Tornado aircraft will start in 2015 for completion in 2017 and 2018. The integration marks the beginning of a significant enhancement of the military capability of...

fas.org

B61-12 Nuclear Bomb Design Features - Federation of American Scientists

By Hans M. Kristensen Additional design details of the new B61-12 guided standoff nuclear bomb are emerging with new images. The image above shows a full-scale B61-12 model hanging in a wind tunnel at Arnold Air Force Base. The test “uncovered a previously uncharacterized physical phenomenon,”...

fas.org

General Cartwright Confirms B61-12 Bomb “Could Be More Useable” - Federation of American Scientists

By Hans M. Kristensen General James Cartwright, the former commander of U.S. Strategic Command and former Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, confirmed in an interview with PBS Newshour that the increased accuracy of the new guided B61-12 nuclear bomb could make the weapon “more useable”...

fas.org

Video Shows Earth-Penetrating Capability of B61-12 Nuclear Bomb - Federation of American Scientists

The capability of the new B61-12 nuclear bomb seems to continue to expand, from a simple life-extension of an existing bomb, to the first U.S. guided nuclear gravity bomb, to a nuclear earth-penetrator with increased accuracy. The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) previously...

fas.org

The first of the new bombs came off the assembly line a few months ago:

NNSA Completes First Production Unit of B61-12 Life Extension Program

Warhead modernization activities ensure the U.S. nuclear weapons stockpile continues to meet military requirements while enhancing safety and security.

www.energy.gov

Didn't know, thanks for the information.

 

[RetiredUSN]

This club for big girls cannot support any country that is not a school member .

And they want gas later .

Another US botched situation .

'Mummy ,mummy the big man hit me on the chin . I only upset him 58 times .'

How did the USA botch a Russia/Euro problem?

 

[MaryP]

Actually the Obama Administration developed a new model of tactical nuke that has such high accuracy that they can score direct hits on Russian troops and be able to take them out with low yields for minimal collateral damage.

They are the first "usable nukes" that will be truly usable:

B61-12 Nuclear Bomb Triggers Debate in the Netherlands - Federation of American Scientists

By Hans M. Kristensen The issue of the improved military capabilities of the new B61-12 nuclear bomb entered the Dutch debate today with a news story on KRO Brandpunt (video here) describing NATO’s approval in 2010 of the military characteristics of the weapon. Dutch approval to introduce the...

fas.org

Capabilities of B61-12 Nuclear Bomb Increase Further - Federation of American Scientists

By Hans M. Kristensen With every official statement about the B61 nuclear bomb life-extension program, the capabilities of the new version (B61-12) appear to be increasing. Previously, officials from the DOD, STRATCOM, and NNSA said the program is a consolidation of the B61-3, B61-4, B61-7, and...

fas.org

General Confirms Enhanced Targeting Capabilities of B61-12 Nuclear Bomb - Federation of American Scientists

By Hans M. Kristensen The former U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff, General Norton Schwartz, confirmed last week that the B61-12 nuclear bomb planned by the Obama administration will have improved military capabilities to attack targets with greater accuracy and less radioactive fallout. The...

fas.org

B61-12: First Pictures Show New Military Capability - Federation of American Scientists

By Hans M. Kristensen The U.S. government has published the first images of the Air Force’s new B61-12 nuclear bomb. The images for the first time show the new guided tail kit that will provide new military capabilities in violation of the Nuclear Posture Review. The tail kit will increase the...

fas.org

B61-12 Nuclear Bomb Integration On NATO Aircraft To Start In 2015 - Federation of American Scientists

By Hans M. Kristensen The US Air Force budget request for Fiscal Year 2015 shows that integration of the B61-12 on NATO F-16 and Tornado aircraft will start in 2015 for completion in 2017 and 2018. The integration marks the beginning of a significant enhancement of the military capability of...

fas.org

B61-12 Nuclear Bomb Design Features - Federation of American Scientists

By Hans M. Kristensen Additional design details of the new B61-12 guided standoff nuclear bomb are emerging with new images. The image above shows a full-scale B61-12 model hanging in a wind tunnel at Arnold Air Force Base. The test “uncovered a previously uncharacterized physical phenomenon,”...

fas.org

General Cartwright Confirms B61-12 Bomb “Could Be More Useable” - Federation of American Scientists

By Hans M. Kristensen General James Cartwright, the former commander of U.S. Strategic Command and former Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, confirmed in an interview with PBS Newshour that the increased accuracy of the new guided B61-12 nuclear bomb could make the weapon “more useable”...

fas.org

Video Shows Earth-Penetrating Capability of B61-12 Nuclear Bomb - Federation of American Scientists

The capability of the new B61-12 nuclear bomb seems to continue to expand, from a simple life-extension of an existing bomb, to the first U.S. guided nuclear gravity bomb, to a nuclear earth-penetrator with increased accuracy. The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) previously...

fas.org

The first of the new bombs came off the assembly line a few months ago:

NNSA Completes First Production Unit of B61-12 Life Extension Program

Warhead modernization activities ensure the U.S. nuclear weapons stockpile continues to meet military requirements while enhancing safety and security.

www.energy.gov

Super.
I was amazed earlier today to learn that we and Russia have been making nuclear tactical weapons since back in the cold war. Both countries got rid of most of them during disarmament arrangements. None have ever been used in war. Given the current madness taking over the world, who knows. Hope someone doesn't steal the instructions.

 

[Juks]

This club for big girls cannot support any country that is not a school member .

And they want gas later .

Another US botched situation .

'Mummy ,mummy the big man hit me on the chin . I only upset him 58 times .'

Until just a day ago you where making fun of the idea that Putin would invade the Ukraine, calling everyone paranoid.


You are not the best in analyzing information now are you?

 

[Rexedgar]

This club for big girls cannot support any country that is not a school member .

And they want gas later .

Another US botched situation .

'Mummy ,mummy the big man hit me on the chin . I only upset him 58 times .'

$ 1USD=84.42 Roubles

 

[Juks]

$ 1USD=84.42 Roubles

this morning yes, tonight 1USD will be worth 150 roubles and tomorrow 200...

 

[Sweden]

In his speech ahead of his attack on Ukraine tonight, Putin threatened the Western world with the devastating consequences if we interfere. It can only be interpreted in one way. He is ready to use nuclear weapons (“consequences we have never seen”...)


The thing is that as long as the Ukraine manages to withhold it’s ground these initial weeks, the country has a great chance of resisting the Russian attack. The population is motivated and prepared for resistance, the size of the army is as large as the Russian attack force and the West will continue to supply Ukraine with ammunition and weapons.

A defeat or prolonged war is not in his world of performance so the question is, if the Ukraine withstand the assault, will he then also use nuclear weapons to make a quick completion of the invasion and will the Russian military let him do so or will he be removed from within?

I wish I shared your optimism. My guess is that Ukraine will be defeated - in weeks not months. And then the issue will be whether Putin will move on to attack a NATO member. I fear he may be mad and bad enough to do so.

 

[Rexedgar]

this morning yes, tonight 1USD will be worth 150 roubles and tomorrow 200...

Going south as we communicate.

 

[Sweden]

I hope they're right, too, for everyone's sake.

This is the first time in my life that I have heard anyone, leader or civilian, talking about nukes as if they were an actual option. Just acknowledging that horror is a bridge too far.

There is only one person threatening the use of nuclear weapons and that is Putin.

 

[Juks]

I wish I shared your optimism. My guess is that Ukraine will be defeated - in weeks not months. And then the issue will be whether Putin will move on to attack a NATO member. I fear he may be mad and bad enough to do so.

If you are correct, then you and I should be very afraid. After the Ukraine, Gotland is the target.

 

[j brown's body]

OP is hysterical nonsense .


All brought on by the US as usual.

This could have easily been avoided if Biden Admin/NATO had simply acknowledged Russia’s legitimate security concerns regarding Ukraine’s becoming a member of NATO, which would mean US/NATO forces right on Russia’s border--- Tulse Gabbard . A smart woman .

Putin has made it pretty clear he feels Ukaine is part of Russia.

 

[Sweden]

If you are correct, then you and I should be very afraid. After the Ukraine, Gotland is the target.

OK. Except neither we nor Finland are members of NATO.

 

[Juks]

OK. Except neither we nor Finland are members of NATO.

Exactly why we are a target and to apply for membership now would make us even more of a target since that would give Putin the excuse that NATO is threatening Russia by moving closer.

But still; Gotland already is a target for him so maybe it doesn’t matter what we do or don’t do.

I do however disagree with the Conservatives and the news reporters on mainly SVT and TV4 that we should send defensive weapons to the Ukraine. We might very well be needing them for ourselves soon (That is if you are correct, and it will be a swift takeover.) What talks in the favor of you being correct is that it seems that Russia has been able to neutralize several military bases last night. But nothing is confirmed so far so I am holding on my hope on the Ukraines.

 

[ataraxia]

In his speech ahead of his attack on Ukraine tonight, Putin threatened the Western world with the devastating consequences if we interfere. It can only be interpreted in one way. He is ready to use nuclear weapons (“consequences we have never seen”...)


The thing is that as long as the Ukraine manages to withhold it’s ground these initial weeks, the country has a great chance of resisting the Russian attack. The population is motivated and prepared for resistance, the size of the army is as large as the Russian attack force and the West will continue to supply Ukraine with ammunition and weapons.

A defeat or prolonged war is not in his world of performance so the question is, if the Ukraine withstand the assault, will he then also use nuclear weapons to make a quick completion of the invasion and will the Russian military let him do so or will he be removed from within?

Once the Russians get air superiority, which they are expected to do in fairly short order, it’s over. I can’t imagine that’s gonna take more than a week or two.

 

[joluoto]

OK. Except neither we nor Finland are members of NATO.

If Russia attacks NATO they'll need bases in the Baltic and won't care about our neutrality.

 

[tosca1]

OP is hysterical nonsense .


All brought on by the US as usual.

This could have easily been avoided if Biden Admin/NATO had simply acknowledged Russia’s legitimate security concerns regarding Ukraine’s becoming a member of NATO, which would mean US/NATO forces right on Russia’s border--- Tulse Gabbard . A smart woman .

She's naive.


Putin sees Biden/NATO as weak right now. That's the truth of it.

What I'm curious about isn't only what's happening with Russia. I'm wondering about China and North Korea.
Kinda makes me think of WW2 - Germany and Japan.

 

[Sweden]

If Russia attacks NATO they'll need bases in the Baltic and won't care about our neutrality.

Sure. But an attack on Gotland or other places in Finland - or Sweden - would not trigger an armed response from NATO members. It is this danger of an all out war with Russia that worries me most.

 

[Nilhus]

Like giving Czechoslovakia to Germany prevented the onset of WWII??

The new "Germany" is the US! The world made the mistake to not slap it super-hard when it started wars like the Vietnam war. Now it's +700 foreign bases later, killing lots of innocent people in all kind of wars and military conflicts, toppling governments it doesn't like. Russia is just defending itself from America encroachment.

 

[NWRatCon]

100% fake news

No major power would do such a mistake!

Another volunteer for the trash heap.